WEREWOLF XV: Pokemon Wars: GAME END: TOWN WINS!!!!! See Post 2547 for Final Update!

[Scottistru]

@jellyfisher: by six days, I mean six real days left in this game day, in which a misslynch could be game over with a bad night.
Below is a collection of all of the night data. For those of you don't get it, the table takes afflictions such as burns from the update, and puts them under "affiction", and those afflicted under "people afflicted." Next by reading the update, we can figure out who was affected, and put it under "possible roles", while putting their attacker under, "possible causes."Then, by confirmation through death, we can pair up attacker, roles, and players, and then color code them. For example, on night one, napolean and jason were beaten and tied. In the update, a man with a gas mask and a roserade trainer were tied up and beaten. They were tied by someone in an armored pack and 2 men. However, since then, Jason has died, revealing that he was the person in the mask, so we old this to show he died. Therefore, by process of elimination, napolean must be the trainer, who was tied up by 2 men. We show this by color coding Napolean, his role, and his attacker. We also underline his name to show this is confirmed by process of elimination.
Without furthur adieu, here are the lists for nights 1-5:

Night 1​

Affliction: Beaten and Tied
People Inficted: Napolean/Jason
Possible Roles: Salamence Trainer/Crazy Scientist
Possible causes: 2 men/Armored pack

Affliction: Bruised
People Inficted:Gallade/E4A(Me)
Possible Roles:Group/Sneaking Man(confirm by me)
Possible causes:Rod person/Wookie

Night 2​

Affliction:Bruised
People Inficted:Z-man
Possible Roles:Murkrow
Possible causes:???

Affliction:Burned
People Inficted:Gallade
Possible Roles:Group
Possible causes:Blow Torch

Night 3​

Affliction:Bruised
People Inficted: Barkjon/Pokemonfreak
Possible Roles: Ralts/Man
Possible causes: ???/Gyrados

Affliction:Burned
People Inficted: Pokechamp
Possible Roles: ???
Possible causes: Blow Torch

Night 4​

Affliction: Burned
People Inficted: Jellyfisher/thunderjolt
Possible Roles:???
Possible causes: Pikachu

Night 5​

Affliction: Burned
People Inficted: Sandslash
Possible Roles: Thinker
Possible causes:4 legged electric pokemon
Scott

In a few posts, I will post an anylisis of the nights and what they tell us, but no need to bump, as I'm exausted from all of these lists.
Now who should we lynch?

 

[Redados1]

@whoever voted for Sandlsash, no just no please. He was staring peacefully, and there has to be more than one cloaked figure in this game. Please unvote.

We do need to weed out inactives. Get them posting.

We need to get some votes in the right direction to make up for my stupid vote for Napoleon.

And yes, since I made a horrendous move, I have been manipulated a lot. It's my own fault.

Also thanks Scottisru a ton!

ttyl

 

[Scottistru]

@whoever voted for Sandlsash, no just no please. He was staring peacefully, and there has to be more than one cloaked figure in this game. Please unvote.

We do need to weed out inactives. Get them posting.

We need to get some votes in the right direction to make up for my stupid vote for Napoleon.

And yes, since I made a horrendous move, I have been manipulated a lot. It's my own fault.

Also thanks Scottisru a ton!

ttyl

No. We've been doing that this whole time, and where has it lead us. The wolves arn't idoits, they have figured out by now that the can't be inactive. One inactive I would like to here from is cardz. He is posting way less than usual, as he usual is a top poster, even as scum. Why are you posting so much less cardz?

 

[PokeChampofPokeBeach]

First of all I'd like to commend Scottistru. I had my doubts about you initially, but these posts that you are making now required a lot of thought and energy, which is a great point in your favor. Keep up the excellent discussion points.

Unfortunately I cannot shed any light on the purpose of my markings. I believe they may be markings of execution. If that is true, then perhaps my days are numbered.

jpulice's last post I think warrants some discussion. In my opinion, his attack and vote of Sandslash7 is both weak and premature. Just because someone wears a cloak doesn't mean they are the bad guy. We cannot vote on as little evidence presented as that. Also, I would like a detailed explanation for why you think theKing and Dragonclyne are highly probable Wolves. I will agree, however, that Ikrit has generally posted only enough to stay alive, and that warrants some suspicion (be it limited suspicion). I would also like to hear it from Ikrit why he hasn't been contributing more than he has.

In my mind, at this stage of the game, jpulice's actions are suspect. No explanation for his accusations and the one explanation that he did make is not a good enough one to warrant the lynch of a player who has posted frequently enough.

 

[jellyfisher]

@whoever voted for Sandlsash, no just no please. He was staring peacefully, and there has to be more than one cloaked figure in this game. Please unvote.

Okay, just because Sandslash was "staring peacefully" DOES NOT mean that he's innocent. There is a line between using the text of the update to clear people using logical assumptions, and clearing people by looking at one word. In other words, taking each word way to seriously. Why can't someone evil stare peacefully? Is it beyond their capability?

But I do agree with you about there being more then one cloaked figure in the game though. Just because someone is cloaked, doesn't mean that they are a wolf.

We do need to weed out inactives. Get them posting.

Well that won't be much of a problem. Since everyone needs to post today, we should be hearing from everyone. And if someone tries to make a short post and then disappear, it will only make them look suspicious. And it will be the same thing if they try to post at the end of the game day. It will just give us more people to discuss next game day.

 

[DragonClyne725]

@The-Cloaked-Man-Being-A-Wolf-Discussion:

Usually, a man is cloaked when he is trying to conceal his identity; to avoid suspicion (which is why the Sith AND the Jedi were commonly cloaked in the Star Wars series). I do not think we should vote SS7 off just because he was wearing a cloak in the update

 

[Scottistru]

Hopefully this will shead some light on the comm. link. The comm. link is not a reason to suspect someone. Unfortunatly, I am walking on thin ice as it is, so I can't say more, seeing as AT won't answer me directly.

 

[Ikrit]

Hey guys. I do not know how this happened...but I pressed post earlier and it didn't post. I did not realize that it did not post until around 2 hours later. This post of mine in quotes should be inserted in between 1504 and 1505. Looking back, I do not think it would make a difference as not much new has been added to the days discussion, but I felt like it would be good for context.

The tattoos did not go in the order I expected. I am still doing research to attempt to figure out what they mean, and attempt to learn from the order that they are being placed in.

I think one thing that bears more research and/or thought is what rooms are safer from explosion than what other rooms. If the rooms continue to explode, simply keeping us out of the dangerous or likely to explode rooms become more important than a priesting for keeping people alive.

I also find it likely that the empire is in some way controlling the breakup of the ship. From the update it seemed clear that the emperor knew it was going to happen even down to knowing that it was going to take out the pseudo-priest leia.

Absol: Would you mind diagramming the ship and the locations of the rooms? That way we could look at the damaged sections in relation to the undamaged ones.

Redados: Do you know the alignment of whomever controlled your vote? If you know they are evil then we can clear Napoleon of atleast that group of bad guys. It would still be possible that he was one of the other groups of bad guys, but it is important that you tell if you know at least the alignment he is not. Also was this forced vote based on physical threat or use of the force or blackmail or what? These tips could help us nail down who the person is or at least help dissect their motives. Is this a continuation of whatever occurred that prevented you from talking about your role?

jpulice: I do not know about cardz, but to me lists are rather worthless without reasoning attached to them. I would very much like to know your reasoning for placing people where they are. I also disagree with some of your locations of people. Ofc I don't think I should be in the highly probably category, but more specifically, I find that I have had nothing but null reads on Napoleon. I have had almost no reads on Cardz. I don't have enough information on cabd as TFP did not post practically at all, and Redados1 has been extremely suspicious to my eyes. Please do add information on why you put them where you put them for all of the candidates however. Also, I personally have no read on SS7 except that he has not been posting much...which is honestly a null read.

We are missing information. If you have information that does not reveal your role mention it even if you find it inconsequential. Little inconsequential tidbits can add up to huge clues in a game like Absol's.

 

[Spartacus]

Here's a list. I want to get posting more.

Redados1- Stupid role reveal day 2, claims he's been manipulated. I don't really see any motivation to pretend he was voteforced for Napoleon just because he posted it pretty fast so it could be nullified with other votes.

jpulice- Suspicious vote for Sandslash7. The update is helpful, but we shouldn't use it for evidence. I don't like that vote, I feel like the intentions are wrong.

Sandslash7- I think he's a townie. He makes good posts, although not that many, but we now have reasons to suspect that he's force sensitive because he was wearing a cloak. This could be good or bad...

Ikrit- Ikrit doesn't post that much. But I dont think that it's reason for suspicion just because he makes good posts overall.

Thunderjolt- Deoxis? That doesn't tell us much alignment-wise

Cardzmaster2004-POST. I'm beginning to get supicious. You've been inactive more than other games and after early game you sort of just stopped posting. I don't think that's good. POST.

Those are my thoughts on some players for now.

 

[Redados1]

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Hmmmmm- the com-link. Interestingly enough it has disappeared. I do not think it just "mysteriously" disappeared. I have already said my thoughts about the com-link. This is how I concluded my thoughts on the com-link in the first place:

Akane said she thought it to be a trap.
Redido's mentioned the word "telemarketer" - telemarketer's offer something
AT said it is a "benefit or regret it" (not exact wording, but the point is there) item.
Time goes by, and the com-link is claimed.
Redido's acts like he is "gagged"- can't post, can't talk- seems to be influenced- thus, I think the com-link was claimed- and I believe he does know something about it--
The com-link must have some kind of effect in that it restricts or gives players roles or abilities- some players have changed their "tune" a little in their play style if they are accepting of the so -called- benefits-most notably you, Redido's-
The Sith have a way of manipulation- it is their nature, even to turn on their own- all in the favor of the dark side.
I think Redido's did accept something by way of the com-link and is being influenced.
Thus- the com-link has got to be a way for the Sith to be able to have a way to gain some kind "upper-hand" to reach their goal by any means.

I think I got the comlink... I asked for it at the same time as the PokeBall. I got the PokeBall, but I was never told about the comlink. So either didn't get it or I did get it but just dont know it. My role hasnt... shoot. Yeah come to think of it I was as you say "gagged" when I tried for the comlink. So maybe thats it? darnit I hadnt noticed that. But my actual ROLE didnt change, just how much I could talk about it. But I dont THINK Ive been influenced by the sith.

So- with all my previouse thoughts on the com-link and the info I posted just now- Redido's:
You really have nothing to say? Or are you going to speak and tell us what the deal is?
You are being manipulated IMO. You may have role revealed and all, but you could have had an offer and you took that offer. That is what I think.
DID you claim the com-link? If you did, and it is what I think the com-links design is/was(since it now has gone missing..) and it was an offer, is this why your acting all manipulated?
If so, you are Sith Aligned. The Sith will toss you too the wolves to hide, and if need be- off you themselves. Speak up please- if it means voting for you to be lynched, I will do so. I do not think that there is much more you can do if you are going to be quite, and be a puppet, as by what it seems to me on how you are acting.

I cant speak. I believe that Im being manipulated by some one who has used their role on me. Im not sith aligned. My role stil works.

Redados out. and also Benzo its R-E-D-A-D-O-S, not "Redido" :tongue:

 

[Ikrit]

@PokeChampOfPokebeach

Sorry I didn't notice your post when I was posting mine. As for why I have not been posting very much there are two reasons.

1) First semester of being an RA on a hall...as well as first semester of Grad school.

2) I have been intentionally changing my speaking patterns in my life as I was convicted of the utter unimportance and non-necessity of many of the words that I myself say, while simultaneously being perturbed at many people for saying rather unnecessary things. Since I have realized this hypocrisy, I have been attempting to speak only when there is something worth speaking about at all times. This has(naturally) bled into werewolf.

I have been keeping up with the game and have been posting when there is something to add or a piece of insight that I have(see postings on the tattoos). This is why several times I have bemoaned our lack of information and attempted to galvanize the mentioning of seemingly inconsequential details. Knowing Absol, he has been leaving plenty of hints, but instead of picking up on them and talking about them people are keeping them under their hats.

However, after tomorrow(A test, a quiz, a paper, some homework, and some grading), I should have some pretty good time for the next week. Lets do some serious discussing.

 

[Absoltrainer]

In reguards to a diagram of the ship:

If you read my updates specifically this one
http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2080216&postcount=602
but also my others, at the beginning of some rooms in the update, I've described no only where rooms are on the ship, but also general information about the rooms themselves.

 

[King Piplup]

@whoever voted for Sandlsash, no just no please. He was staring peacefully, and there has to be more than one cloaked figure in this game. Please unvote.

We do need to weed out inactives. Get them posting.

We need to get some votes in the right direction to make up for my stupid vote for Napoleon.

And yes, since I made a horrendous move, I have been manipulated a lot. It's my own fault.

Also thanks Scottisru a ton!

ttyl

Emphasis mine.

Honestly, this post screams wolf to me, Mostly the bolded part, but I'm not sure what to think about Redados though at this point, since I one third think hes a townie with a useless (at this point) role, one third hes a really good actor and is not town aligned, or his character has been possessed...(With the random vote, which I think he was forced to make, and the other manipulation...)

 

[Scottistru]

I have an idea for if we decide to lynch redados. I would suggest that we put enough votes on redados to show him we mean business, then force him to tell us what he has learned so far. Either we get our information from him, and he gets mod-killed, and it's the same as a lynch, or we caught scum.
@mod: would this be considered "going around the bounds of the game,"or against the spirit of the game, or is this a perfectly acceptable move

 

[jellyfisher]

1494There is something that also stood out in the update:



Based on the update later this turns out to be Sandslash7. Cloaks would tend to suggest Jedi or Sith. Per the update the Jedi came into the control room together but the Sith were summoned. If I were a betting man I would put you as Sith.

For now VOTE: Sandslash7

Reading over your post again, I'm seeing how odd your reasoning really is. First of all, it is completely illogical to assume someone is a Jedi or Sith just because they are wearing a cloak. Its like I was saying to Redados1. You can not base a vote, or say someone is innocent off of something as insignificant as someone "staring peacefully out the window", or if someone is wearing a cloak or not. Its relying way to much on the individual words. And even more so if the person that receives your vote is a strong player.

You are also basing your vote off of the Sith being summoned. How do we even know they were summoned? They could have come into the room with their leader. Also, it doesn't even say that he summoned them, it says they walked out from the shadows. I think all of this just shows how flimsy your reasoning for voting SS7 really is.

@ Cardz, I know you like lists so here is my breakdown of the final 22: I would like your thoughts.

Town/Indy (9):
jpulice (I don't expect anyone to believe me)
Napoleon
A/AM
PCPB
LegendCaller
Toxic
Scottistru
gallade
Cardz

My on the fence (9):
jellyfisher (I really should have you in the top group)
thunderjolt (I'm not the strongest in Pokemon how would Deoxys fit in to Star Wars)
Benzo (do you like primary colors?)
Benson
reados1
PM5
cabd (timeforpain) - (you may need to be moved up to on the fence)
Spartacus (Lex) (you our cabd belongs on the bottom)
King Piplup (I like you for the bottom tier also)

Highly probable (4):
SS7
Ikrit
Theking
Dragoncyclone725

I also have a few questions about your list. Why is Scottistru on your townie/Indy section? If I am correct, this is only his second day playing. Are you clearing him because he's making an effort to make helpful lists, or do you have some other reason? Don't forget that he replaced E4A. Scottistru may be playing differently, but that still doesn't erase the fact that E4A was acting very suspicious.

You also put Benson on the neutral list when he has played like SS7 and all of the other more inactive players. Since he has played like SS7 and Ikrit, shouldn't he be in the Highly probable part of the list?

But I am wondering the most about LegendCaller. He has played more or less like Theking or Benson. He might have been more active at one point, but he has mostly stopped posting. And you put him on the townie/Indy section. Why?

Vote: jpulice

Until you can give a good answer for your illogical vote and your list, I will not unvote you.

 

[King Piplup]

I have an idea for if we decide to lynch redados. I would suggest that we put enough votes on redados to show him we mean business, then force him to tell us what he has learned so far. Either we get our information from him, and he gets mod-killed, and it's the same as a lynch, or we caught scum.
@mod: would this be considered "going around the bounds of the game,"or against the spirit of the game, or is this a perfectly acceptable move

Hmm, interesting tactic. Have a feeling AT's not going to like the idea though.

Jpulice, I'm not liking your moves as of late, and that list with 0 explanation is quite odd, especially with the questionable categorizing of people. I'm not going to vote now, but I'm definitely weighing the option.

 

[Scottistru]

Hmm, interesting tactic. Have a feeling AT's not going to like the idea though.

Jpulice, I'm not liking your moves as of late, and that list with 0 explanation is quite odd, especially with the questionable categorizing of people. I'm not going to vote now, but I'm definitely weighing the option.

Yeah, I was pretty sure that would be the case. Mod-kill is supposed to avoid these things from happening, so I just through it out there in case somehow people consider it a valid tactic, and part of the game. I'm also in agreement that jpulice is playing poorly, which may or may not be the best thing to base our lynch on. I'm still trying to figure out if the wolves have adapted to our voting out poorer players, and jpulice simple slipped as town.
I will post my anylisis of the nightly data as soon as I finish this homework. *glares at teachers*

 

[LegendCallerL]

But I am wondering the most about LegendCaller. He has played more or less like Theking or Benson. He might have been more active at one point, but he has mostly stopped posting. And you put him on the townie/Indy section. Why?

@jellyfisher
Sorry about that, I'll try and make an effort to post more.

@jpulice
I kinda feel bad about confronting someone who thought I was innocent, but jellyfisher does have a point. Could you offer some explanation about your reasoning on your list?

 

[TheKing]

1494

First a general note: The discussion today has been ok but riddled with bumping and its very difficult to ready. Scottistru, I like what you are doing however, you have some time. It would be best to present it into one nice package. One post, not all spread out. This will limit the bumping.


I think our tattooed players may just be marked for death at this point. Look at Dave628 and Pikamaster. They were both marked on night 3 and dead by "accident" on night 5. If the trend continues it might not look good for A/AM and PCPB.

So we are also down to 22 players at this point. If we stick to the rule of 5 there is one dead sith and 2 dead empire. So 7 badies remaining and 15 town/indies remaining. Also any thoughts on Giovanni? Two top tier badies are Sith (Cyrus and Giovanni). This is just a hunch but Mewtwo may be one of our Sith playing "mind games". Does anyone else have any thoughts here?

There is something that also stood out in the update:



Based on the update later this turns out to be Sandslash7. Cloaks would tend to suggest Jedi or Sith. Per the update the Jedi came into the control room together but the Sith were summoned. If I were a betting man I would put you as Sith.

For now VOTE: Sandslash7

Also a note for AT: can you update the OP and strike LEX and add her replacement, thank you.

@ Cardz, I know you like lists so here is my breakdown of the final 22: I would like your thoughts.

Town/Indy (9):
jpulice (I don't expect anyone to believe me)
Napoleon
A/AM
PCPB
LegendCaller
Toxic
Scottistru
gallade
Cardz

My on the fence (9):
jellyfisher (I really should have you in the top group)
thunderjolt (I'm not the strongest in Pokemon how would Deoxys fit in to Star Wars)
Benzo (do you like primary colors?)
Benson
reados1
PM5
cabd (timeforpain) - (you may need to be moved up to on the fence)
Spartacus (Lex) (you our cabd belongs on the bottom)
King Piplup (I like you for the bottom tier also)

Highly probable (4):
SS7
Ikrit
Theking
Dragoncyclone725

You have some terrible grammar in some of your comments in parentheses. Also, some of your comments contradict each other, next to cabd's name, you say he may need to move up, but next to spartacus you say has belongs on the bottom. And why am I highly probable as a wolf when gallade and scottrisu are on your town list?

 

[cabd]

1519

This vote is just because I won't be online in the next 6ish hours.
I will pull said vote once I get home, assuming jpulice has clarified/explained the post.


But until then:
Vote: jpulice
Reason: Inconsistent post, needs clarification until I pull the vote.