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Worst Worlds Ever!

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King Piplup said:
The Junior World Champion is now a two time Winner of the title... You tell me he isn't worthy?
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Small correction. Shuto Itagaki did not win a world championships before this one. Takuto Itagaki, his brother, who you might be confusing with, took 2nd in worlds 2008 in his last year as a junior and then won worlds 2009 in his first year as a senior. Otherwise, this is Shuto Itagaki's first worlds win. You can even look up our past worlds winners for proof.

Despite being his first worlds win, Shuto is indeed a very good Pokemon player with amamzing skill (he won a Japanese Spring Carnival tournament to qualify, so he had to go undefeated to compete for worlds), and I can agree he deserved the title for world champion. Heck, even his deck was a fantastic pick since it counters two of the most popular decks in the format: Zekeels and Darkrai/Mewtwo.
 
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pokedad1 said:
I told you the best players were not at worlds. Masters was lost on a misplay. He had a chance to win the mewtwo war and lost because he did not take out mewtwo with darkrai. Seniors and juniors were no different. Most of those players there did nothing in major tournaments. They got there playing a zillion battle roads and cities which gave more points then they should have. If pokemon does not lower the points from battle roads and cities and make states regionals and nationals more important in getting an invite and stop putting worlds in places only the rich can afford to go, then this will continue.

And Jay should have been given the trophy as those guys who played the finals used his deck. Most players there used his deck.
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Since I'm from Portugal, I think I should be defending Igor. He won 4 Nationals in a row with undefeated records. Not good enough? He won cities, two regionals and many battle roads. He's a great player, and he deserved that win. He's a great guy and you shouldn't be bashing him just because you weren't the champion, and this aplies to other divisions. You don't go to a worlds final being a bad player.I seriously doubt you won any major tournament.
 
Not taking sides here, 'cause I'm like Switzerland and all matters.
However,

As to the point of winning or losing on a misplay...

People aren't robots (yet). Sometimes people misplay. Even in worlds. Sometimes people swing and miss--even Babe Ruth! It's part of the game and it doesn't de-legitimize the result.
 
if you would learn how to read, I said not all the best players played, not that there were not any there playing ...

and Jay stated he got the original list from some friends, but MODIFIED it ... he almost won nationals and he would have won worlds if he would have not got beat by his own deck ...
 
pokedad1 said:
if you would learn how to read, I said not all the best players played, not that there were not any there playing ...

and Jay stated he got the original list from some friends, but MODIFIED it ... he almost won nationals and he would have won worlds if he would have not got beat by his own deck ...
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If you learned how to type you would know that you stated "I told you the best players were not at worlds" and not "I told you some of the best players were not at worlds".
 
pokedad1 said:
if you would learn how to read, I said not all the best players played, not that there were not any there playing ...

and Jay stated he got the original list from some friends, but MODIFIED it ... he almost won nationals and he would have won worlds if he would have not got beat by his own deck ...
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So basically . . .

1. Worlds should be a tournament where the best players in the opinion of pokedad1 should receive invites

2. It should be held in Wildwood NJ

3. After the finals have been played, they should work out who 'invented' the winning deck (good luck with that) and award the trophy to them?

Sounds like a plan.
 
pokedad1 said:
and Jay stated he got the original list from some friends, but MODIFIED it ...
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Yeah modified the list he got. Making it his deck by your logic. Harrison and igor modified his deck. So by your logic they are no longer jays deck. Thus jay doesnt deserve a trophy.
 
I love how people think they "own decks" or it was "their" idea.
The day anyone ready what mewtwo did no "one person" saw the potential in it.
Many people if not everyone in competitive play did.

Now if you played a deck NO ONE ELSE played then yes you may end up getting credit for building it.

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I don't know if this guys a troll or not, he's posted 3 threads like this.
But with the name pokedad1 you kinda wanna give him some benefit of the doubt.
He suggests worlds to be in New Jersey, or on the East coast.
I mean we all want worlds close to where WE live. But it's not like we go make threads about it.
 
Here's the thing-This guy's son either did more than win the City, a State, and T64, OR he doesn't live in NJ. I took a ton of time and couldn't find such a kid. I even have Seniors final Nationals standings I verified.

Could be a troll, but I tend to think its true, but he is not presenting all the facts.
 
King Piplup said:
You are so wrong on so many levels I could take a day to write it all out...

Juniors and Seniors don't matter TO YOU, and frankly most masters. I can't blame you for this. The level of play IS lower, and the avg skill is less. That doesn't mean that they completely DON'T MATTER. To say so undermines the skill of every one (few as they are) that could stomp all over 95% of the masters. Ignorance WREAKS from that statement.

I agree that his kid didn't win enough.(State, City, T64 Nats per the other threads.

Now....You don't just have to "show up" to get an invite...What do you think we are, Europe? (No offense, but I did talk to almost 40 Europeans who said it pretty much was a matter of showing up and doing decently to get an invite). It is harder than you give it credit for. It may be easier to win (It is, I'll give you that), but you have to win MORE because the CP threshold is higher. Check P! Points vs CP and tell me how closely they relate. It is closer than masters, but still not all that close.


Yes, I'm tired and on my phone this morning. Sorry if that conveys.
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Okay, yeah. Juniors and Seniors matter to the players in those divisions and their parents. I have yet to encounter a Junior or Senior that is considerably better than the average Master. Henry P. (guess I can't say his last name) is pretty good, but to say that he could beat, much less "stomp," 95% of Masters is a gross overstatement. That's why Seniors almost never do well when they age up.

I am well aware that the CP threshold for obtaining an invite in Juniors and Seniors is considerably higher than that for Masters, but honestly that just feeds my point. I am at numerous events (BRs and Cities) where the numbers for Juniors and Seniors are in single digits. Many States are the size of a Masters Battle Road. If you want evidence of how easy it is to win smaller events in J/S, the aforementioned Henry would have had 79 CP just from Cities, if not from the BFL. You don't find that level of dominance in Masters, and it's because the events in J/S are so much smaller and easier.

jmho
 
Politoed666 said:
Okay, yeah. Juniors and Seniors matter to the players in those divisions and their parents. I have yet to encounter a Junior or Senior that is considerably better than the average Master. Henry P. (guess I can't say his last name) is pretty good, but to say that he could beat, much less "stomp," 95% of Masters is a gross overstatement. That's why Seniors almost never do well when they age up.

I am well aware that the CP threshold for obtaining an invite in Juniors and Seniors is considerably higher than that for Masters, but honestly that just feeds my point. I am at numerous events (BRs and Cities) where the numbers for Juniors and Seniors are in single digits. Many States are the size of a Masters Battle Road. If you want evidence of how easy it is to win smaller events in J/S, the aforementioned Henry would have had 79 CP just from Cities, if not from the BFL. You don't find that level of dominance in Masters, and it's because the events in J/S are so much smaller and easier.

jmho
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I'm going to go ahead and disagree, as well as bring up an example.

Back when I lived in Texas, there was one Senior in the area who would dominate pretty much every tournament he went to (I won't give his name, because I have the feeling he might not want me to.) This year, however, he moved up into Masters. How did he do? Well, he managed to get 32 CP, ranking him in the Top 10 Masters in Texas, which is a considerably difficult and large group of players.

I wouldn't say great Seniors could beat 95% of Masters, because that's a pretty large number, but I still think it would be pretty high. I actually think streaming the Seniors finals could show some people that Seniors isn't exactly an easy division.
 
There are multiple Seniors in Oregon who could easily wipe the floor with about 80% of the masters population. 95% is almost certainly too high a number, but it's still big. Seniors are no slouches.
 
I guarantee you that Jay has zero issue with anyone using Darkrai/Mewtwo. He consistently gives credit to other players such as Sam Ligget for providing him his first view of the concept. The Diaz brothers also had a list of their own entirely independent of Jay. Not to mention, Jay provided his entire list in a video with The Top Cut - it's not like it was something he was treasuring as his own creation.

The Top 8 this year was full of more high-profile players than any I can recall in recent memory. The games were fantastic. Everybody makes mistakes, even the very best. When you combine the incredible competition, the excitement of live streaming matches for the first time, the awesome stream The Top Cut provided after the tournament, and the announcement for the first Worlds outside of the US, it was arguably the best worlds ever.
 
@Post #28

We all know that worlds will be held in the USA, in my back yard, where EVERYONE is invited, and the winning deck will be my 3 year old son's collection of random playing cards ranging anywhere from poker cards to the single Uno card.
 
pokedad1 said:
I told you the best players were not at worlds. Masters was lost on a misplay. He had a chance to win the mewtwo war and lost because he did not take out mewtwo with darkrai. Seniors and juniors were no different. Most of those players there did nothing in major tournaments. They got there playing a zillion battle roads and cities which gave more points then they should have. If pokemon does not lower the points from battle roads and cities and make states regionals and nationals more important in getting an invite and stop putting worlds in places only the rich can afford to go, then this will continue.

And Jay should have been given the trophy as those guys who played the finals used his deck. Most players there used his deck.
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So a rucksack who wins a sub par state championship in a sub par area should be awarded to go to worlds over a good player who does well at all the tournaments he attends? (Not that your son is one, but this happens a lot, especially in seniors)
 
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