Fall Regional Prizes Anounced

[Chairman Kaga]

The point is clear and obvious. It's age discrimination. The issue at stake is not that we masters will not attend Nationals now, of COURSE we will.

Oh, then cry me a *******ed river. Let me get my 70-year-old stepfather on here to educate you on what age discrimination actually entails.

You've pretty much made my point for me. You're attending Nationals anyway, which means you didn't need the bonus money. So they're giving it to those that do. In some other circles that would be called gracious charity.

Seriously, you all sound like those billionaire Republicans arguing why they need more tax cuts.

 

[mosherstomper]

so who can?

i work at dominos as an assistant manager. if someone has a problem they talk to me, if they arnt happy with that they go to my general manager. if theyre still not happy they contact my district supervisor and at that point they usually want to talk to the owner as well since we are a franchise.
they can do this simply by yelling and fighting theyre way up the chain of command. if someone cant fix their problem they will find someone who can.

if an 40 year old drunk moron can call my district manager cause he didnt get enough mushrooms on his pizza, theres got to be a way to contact the higher ups and get some reasoning/solutions.

 

[z-man]

Oh, then cry me a *******ed river. Let me get my 70-year-old stepfather on here to educate you on what age discrimination actually entails.

You've pretty much made my point for me. You're attending Nationals anyway, which means you didn't need the bonus money. So they're giving it to those that do. In some other circles that would be called gracious charity.

Seriously, you all sound like those billionaire Republicans arguing why they need more tax cuts.

Let's try to avoid talking politics please.

Age discrimination is treating one age group better than another simply because of that group's age. This is exactly what's going on. This might be a less severe form of age discrimination than what your stepfather experienced, but it is still age discrimination. I, for one, am a Masters player who has been playing for upwards about 7 years now. I just got into college and cannot afford a trip to nationals. Why is it that I am not given the same chance to earn that trip as someone who happens to be younger than 15 years old? Some masters need the money. Others don't. Some seniors and juniors need the money. Others don't. Why not give everyone equal opprotunity to earn this stipend instead of simply pushing it to the juniors and seniors?

 

[SD PokeMom]

'contact the higher ups and get some reasoning/solutions'?

you're assuming that this decision is up for popular vote of the players....i'm pretty sure it isn't.

 

[theunhipster]

'contact the higher ups and get some reasoning/solutions'?

you're assuming that this decision is up for popular vote of the players....i'm pretty sure it isn't.

lol where in that quote did he ask for a popular vote? all we want is REASONING. why was this decision made? what advantages does this decision have over an equal monetary split between the divisions?

COMMUNICATION. that's all we're asking for...

also - this honestly does make me feel bad/excluded from the game now. think about it - this is my first year as a master, still very much a minor, just as hard for me to travel to nats as it was last year, and this is my warm welcome to the division?

 

[pat460]

It is oddly refreshing to see bad decisions still being made in Pokemon.

 

[tinox6]

Oh, then cry me a *******ed river. Let me get my 70-year-old stepfather on here to educate you on what age discrimination actually entails.

You've pretty much made my point for me. You're attending Nationals anyway, which means you didn't need the bonus money. So they're giving it to those that do. In some other circles that would be called gracious charity.

Seriously, you all sound like those billionaire Republicans arguing why they need more tax cuts.

Like I said, I haven't complained at all. I have no lot in this, so I'm actually not crying :water:. I'm just stating the point to you, since you seemed to have missed it and apparently don't actually want to discuss it. I thought you were confused...no...I hoped you were confused, but now I can tell that you're just looking for arguments. Nothing you said had significant relevance to my post, so I have nothing left to say. Have fun!

 

[Charranitar]

Oh, then cry me a *******ed river. Let me get my 70-year-old stepfather on here to educate you on what age discrimination actually entails.

You've pretty much made my point for me. You're attending Nationals anyway, which means you didn't need the bonus money. So they're giving it to those that do. In some other circles that would be called gracious charity.

Seriously, you all sound like those billionaire Republicans arguing why they need more tax cuts.

This is ridiculous. I just graduated college a few months ago, haven't secured a professional career yet. My income is low enough for me to receive food stamps. Get out of here with your rich Republican garbage. Who exactly do you think make up most of the master's players playing in these tournaments, a bunch of rich Republican billionaires?

 

[mosherstomper]

'contact the higher ups and get some reasoning/solutions'?

you're assuming that this decision is up for popular vote of the players....i'm pretty sure it isn't.

i wrote about 5 paragraphs arguing how this is how it works from a customer/buisiness relationship. then i remembered i didnt want to argue in this thread any more i wanted to find a solution.
to be honest i dont like this site, alot of its posters or the mods on it. im from that special place you all hate so much.
but this IS THE LARGEST forum, with the largest community of players/ tos/judges/los and what ever alphabet soup accrinams you guys get.
and for that reason im trying to talk and discuss with you all, to try and find a solution to this problem.

please help me here. if you dont have any ideas or solutions then just say so. if no one here does ill go look somewhere else.

 

[BrightRush]

Terrible decision, if it really is a budget issue then just balance it between 3 divisions. Its not like Juniors/Seniors would be mad for getting just $300 over $500. Having No Prizes vs Prizes is just huge. This is really going to make players reconsider their decision to continue playing this game. Really hope something can be done to fix this non sense.

 

[SD PokeMom]

What 'reasoning' or 'solutions' are you going to accept other than getting what you want?

 

[Dootar]

I believe that there definitely could have been a better decision made here..

Don't think anyone would mind paying $5-10 dollars to participate in higher level tournaments...........

But ouch, wish my brother didn't age up this year </3

 

[kingGOON]

What I don't understand is why they would do this? To them this is a drop in the bucket for a company that makes millions of dollars, if not more, every year. If they really wanted to give more money to the Jr/Sr divisions I have no problem with that, but what's the reasoning behind hurting the Masters players? The easiest solution is to just keep the Masters prize support the same and give a little extra to JR/SR. This kind of move just sounds like greed to me, if not then show me where you're losing money tcpi because of stipends, if you can do that I will agree with this change. Part of me thinks that this move was made because they want to change the venue of worlds every year now to different countries and doing so takes money to get all the judges, TO, exc. to the venue and put them up. Keep in mind I'm not attacking that group, this is just a thought. However, I don't think calling each other names and slinging Garbador's innards around at each other will get anything done, no matter what stance you take on this argument.

 

[Hgssprime]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Hd04mh9V4

That's all I think of when I think of TPCi at this point...

 

[mosherstomper]

What 'reasoning' or 'solutions' are you going to accept other than getting what you want?

look i understand your used to dealing with children and people who are ignorant to how buisiness actually work.
let me explain that im not so jaded. i understand that the reasons for this isnt just to piss off masters.

im sure they have a team of financial advisors who have the numbers and facts as to why this was a good decision for the company. when i ask my boss why selling large pizzas for 5.99 is a good idea when a medium is 7.99 he can pull up numbers, charts, polling data, and say this is where we will make more money in the long run. this is how you use special to make them buy other things as well.

what i want to see is tcpis reasons for this. obviously they wont give me hard numbers, but atleast percentages would make me happy.

if tcpi can but together a report that says that this move was in their best interest and why it was even at the cost of angering its long term customers ill gladly accept that. but i want to see the facts. i want to know why.

im not a whiney brat who just wants to get his way. im a customer, a consumer . i feel like im being treated unfairly, i want the company to be held accountable for that and explain to me how im not actually being treated unfairly.

 

[ChaosJim]

I want to start by addressing the 'it only really effects 45 people' argument.

People make decisions on attending events like Regionals based on prize support. People make decisions on purchasing cards based on which events they will attend. By spreading out Regionals across three different formats, retailers will see the sales of single cards improve at two times during the year that they previously did not. Players can no longer wait until States to try and invest for an invite like they could under the ELO system. Just comparing the old ELO system to the 3 Regional Championship Point system has improved the health of the game for those selling singles.

This is good for TPCi, and this is good for players, since more retailers should be willing to sell singles as the market conditions for them improves. People who don't even play the game are effected by these decisions.

Also, players will distribute their resources logically. While few may attend Regionals with no expectation of winning in Masters, many players will be realistic that their chances of winning are in fact quite low. They probably have that one celebrity level player they can't imagine themselves beating. If a player could drive to a single Regional for the day, and would need to stay at a hotel for two others, they might instead choose to simply skip 2 Regionals and put that money toward Nationals. It is the safe bet. If I have fewer friends to stay with at events, it effects me as well. Either I'm paying more, or I'm forced to stay with people who I don't know as well. Maybe they're nice people, but the minimum difference is that I'm forced outside my comfort zone, the maximum is that they steal my cards in the middle of the night.

Frequently attending events helps to remind players, especially Masters, how much fun this game is. Discouraging people from doing that makes them wonder, 'why bother?' to some extent. The potential to win something is exciting, valuable, and has an effect on people outside the eventual winner. There is no insisting your way out of this, I've lived it.

'contact the higher ups and get some reasoning/solutions'?

you're assuming that this decision is up for popular vote of the players....i'm pretty sure it isn't.

I'm not sure this is really going to sway anyone.

 

[tinox6]

What 'reasoning' or 'solutions' are you going to accept other than getting what you want?

Marsherstomper is simply asking you to help him figure out the best way to communicate with P!P so that his voice will be heard. That's what he wants.

And why does the tone of your post seem cutting? I hope I'm wrong about that. He's been respectful throughout your interactions. . . Assuming he's just trying to get his way or what he wants is putting a very selfish assumption on him, and I think it's unwarranted to do that.

 

[Shino Bug Master]

What 'reasoning' or 'solutions' are you going to accept other than getting what you want?

"We have found that the previous structure of travel awards did not positively affect the attendance of Junior and Senior players. This new structure takes our limited budget in attempts to increase attendance in these groups; and if the additional cash reward makes a measurable difference this year we will look to relocating prize support to make this a universal reward."

"We have recieved additional funding or been instructed to allocate a certain amount of funds into the Junior and Senior division for this years Regional Championships. This money is to be used for increasing the availability of Nationals to these players. We do not have the funds/authorization to fund the additional rewards for the Masters this year, and that may remain the case. For that we apologize and hope that the advent of more CP importance and pack prize rewards still make the even rewarding for all who succeed in the events."

"We apologize to the Masters division top 4 finishers who will not be recieving the same prize support as their Junior and Senior counterparts. We are looking into ways of rewarding these Masters preformers through means outiside of the budget, such as codes for our official online program PTCGO or Hall of Fame recognition and hope to implement them in next years reward packages."

I;m sure i could come up with more. I'd take a simple "We are truly sorry this change does not affect everyone. We hope the people who recieve less still appreciate the good we intend by the system",

 

[kingGOON]

I'm with Mosherstomper. I want the truth, I want to see how this affects their numbers, bottom line, exc. or is this simply a case of we can't handle the truth???

 

[Chairman Kaga]

Let's try to avoid talking politics please.

I'm not talking politics, I'm making an analogy: the haves telling everyone they should have more.

Some masters need the money. Others don't. Some seniors and juniors need the money. Others don't.

Personally I'd revise that statement to "very few masters" and "almost all seniors and juniors".

I do actually feel for you on the college argument, but the vast majority of the people making the argument in this thread I don't think are in your unfortunate position. I think they're trying to milk every dime they can out of this game out of greed. I see hordes of college-age people (that I assume are in college) at Nationals that make it work without stipends. It's been stated earlier in the thread, they carpool cross-country and sleep 8 to a room to minimize the per-capita cost. Masters numbers are clearly not getting any smaller.

Juniors and Seniors, meanwhile, have stagnated or dropped, because it's an entirely different dynamic. They need the support to get to Nationals. We (generally) don't.

Like I said, I haven't complained at all. I have no lot in this, so I'm actually not crying :water:. I'm just stating the point to you, since you seemed to have missed it and apparently don't actually want to discuss it.

But you haven't actually made a point yet. You claimed to have a point and then immediately negated it.

This is ridiculous. I just graduated college a few months ago, haven't secured a professional career yet. My income is low enough for me to receive food stamps. Get out of here with your rich Republican garbage. Who exactly do you think make up most of the master's players playing in these tournaments, a bunch of rich Republican billionaires?

Wow, way to thoroughly decontextualize.

See point made to z-man above. And have a glass of wine.