mosherstomper
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leave it to jwittz to bring some logic in. so how do we start a line of communication with this company?
Fall Regional Prizes Anounced
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leave it to jwittz to bring some logic in. so how do we start a line of communication with this company?
I like the idea of that Shino. SRs argue that they can play better than most Masters so their accomplishments shouldn't be diminished. I am all for the money where the mouth is for that. If divisions worked the way most people knew to our league thought they did it would be pretty reasonable to change things up like they are. How do people want to think this works? Masters- You're a super experienced hard core tournament player. Senior- You don't need to be playing in the starter deck tournament any more, but you're not ready to play with the big boys. Juniors- You're toting around a doubled theme deck and need a lot of help playing. Now someone is going to say "Thats about how it is now," BUT and this is a big BUT age plays no factor in the divisions. By this system you could be a 40 year old Junior, because you are a Pokedad with a deck to kill time til your son/daughter is finished. On the other hand you could be the ten year old child prodigy so you play Masters. A certain level of tournament performance is what ranks you up. You'd rank up at the same time, but if you were to rank up you'd be sent an e-mail.
The thing is there is no reason as Shino said to penalize someone for having the wrong birthday.
The thing is there is no reason as Shino said to penalize someone for having the wrong birthday.
Charranitar
Member
This is ignoring the fact that many Junior and Senior players carpool together with a dedicated poke-parent to large events, or shockingly enough with a trusted Master's player.
If the discrimination against the master's division causes a decrease in master's participation, I see it as only being bad for the game in general. Some Junior or Senior players no longer are able to go to events, because that friend in master's is no longer going to events, and their parents are unable to take them to events. Seniors quit the game, as they have nothing to look forward to aging up, as a lot of their master's friends quit the game already. Judge's and TO's start seeing less compensation for running events as attendance plummets without the large master's showings, so they begin quitting organized play as it isn't worth it to them anymore.
To say that junior/senior players need the money more than master's is insane. I'm not saying the master's need it more, but the junior/seniors definitely don't need it any more than the master's need it. There are going to be some Juniors/Seniors with parents who can afford to take their child to nationals and some who cannot. Of those who cannot, they might be able to get their child a ride with someone else and sharing a room with someone else to allow them to go, other's will not or won't allow that. In master's, some players are going to be able to afford to go to nationals, some are not. Some players are going to have friends that can take them and share a room with them, and others will not or won't want to share a room for whatever reason.
As for the differences in attendance at nats between the age divisions, it just seems to me like the event attendance mirrors the attendance ratios that are seen at large throughout the country for most events.
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mosherstomper
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eh, this looks great on paper but think of the 11 year old looking at the big intimidating 20 year old who rev'd out his deck and doesnt have trouble reading or doing quick math. sure the 20 year old is being nice and polite to the kid, but its still a tournament and that kids not gonna wanna play adults and loose.
kids wanna play and beat their friends. i dont care if i beat the sr world champion i beat a 14 year old. theres no fun in that.
Mystery Thing
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I don't think I really got condescending until psychup decided to call me a selfish parent who assumes everybody is like me, and even at that I only really shot back at them. I'm not going to sit here and blindly take shots from people.
You can't, really. And yes, that absolutely sucks. The only method really is the support portal, but it's not like you can force them to pay attention to what you have to say. :frown:
mosherstomper
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to me your an authoritive figure, sinking to that level is just feeding them, which was the next like 5 posts. like i said i dont post here, so i dont know how you normally act but that was off putting, i expect that behavior from the mystical tag team land where im from. actually i expect a lot worse where im from.
what is this support portal? is it just a dead end email line or has anyone had any success?
Shino Bug Master
Front Page News Editor
Found this post in browsing and just felt flat out offended.
I just want to throw out there that i have gotten 2nd, 3rd AND 4th at Regionals in Masters and never had the financial availability to get to Nationals. And i was under 18 every time. Care to enlighten the 16, 17 and 18 year old me why that makes me a worse candidate for 500 dollars to get to what is hailed as the "biggest and most fun tournament in Pokemon" over someone who's 14 doing the same?
Chairman Kaga
Active Member
Prediction: 99% of the people having a hissy fit about this will show up at Nationals anyway.
Ye gods, it's like I'm surrounded by Yu-Gi-Oh players.
Ye gods, it's like I'm surrounded by Yu-Gi-Oh players.
mosherstomper
New Member
ok we get it, it sucks. thats established. now instead of the constant complaining and arguing lets try working towards a solution. one that doenst involve masters quitting in large numbers to get a point across.
we made a big deal about sableye and got a mid season rotation, the first ever. obviously they will listen if we yell at them loud enough, so how do we start yelling?
we made a big deal about sableye and got a mid season rotation, the first ever. obviously they will listen if we yell at them loud enough, so how do we start yelling?
Mystery Thing
Administrator
It's funny because I usually do sit back and take it, hah.
It's their web interface for submitting questions. http://support.pokemon.com
I was referring to the group of people who do make the trip (ie, the Masters players who are at Nationals who did not require a guardian to be there). Yes, I concede I could have been more clear on that one.
And the 16, 17, and 18 year old you would be the group that would be the excluded from "most cases." Hence my support for z-man's comment about why not it being for those who need a guardian with them (well, more likely a line of those who are legally minors), as opposed to explicitly down age division lines.
z-man
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Wow. This is seriously insulting. We play the game because we love it. We are upset by this because we feel that this is an insulting, discriminatory decision. We are NOT complaining without reason. We are complaining because we feel discriminated against. Some of us might not NEED the money, but it is always nice. The Juniors and Seniors might not NEED the money, but I'm sure they (and their guardians) enjoy it. The actual money is not important to many people... the concept and the idea is very important, however. We are upset because this is an unfair decision for people who happen to be 15 years old and up. Some of us can afford nats without the boost, but we dislike that only juniors and seniors are getting the boost while us masters, who achieved THE EXACT SAME THING are not getting the boost.
For sure not a perfect system.
I will say my opinion is greed is good. There should always be a reason to compete. If it's going to be only for titles and packs that's how it should be everywhere. It shouldn't be "Sweet made 3rd as a SR I got 500$ to help me get to Nats," and then you age up "Sweet I made 2nd in what is considered by many the hardest division, but I... don't get the same thing?"
I do feel the person who said as Masters disappear friends disappear for some JRs and SRs which will discourage attendance.
I will say my opinion is greed is good. There should always be a reason to compete. If it's going to be only for titles and packs that's how it should be everywhere. It shouldn't be "Sweet made 3rd as a SR I got 500$ to help me get to Nats," and then you age up "Sweet I made 2nd in what is considered by many the hardest division, but I... don't get the same thing?"
I do feel the person who said as Masters disappear friends disappear for some JRs and SRs which will discourage attendance.
mosherstomper
New Member
that seems to be mostly help with website and products.
when judges/tos get info from tcpi does it just come as a mass email? is there any verbal contact? any mass to meetings?
if not then why? why cant tos say hey were having problems with this card, or this ruling, or the prize support and get a direct answer from the company itself. it seems there should be a representitive from tcpi thats job is to deal with head judges and top tos to deal with these problems and concerns.
when judges/tos get info from tcpi does it just come as a mass email? is there any verbal contact? any mass to meetings?
if not then why? why cant tos say hey were having problems with this card, or this ruling, or the prize support and get a direct answer from the company itself. it seems there should be a representitive from tcpi thats job is to deal with head judges and top tos to deal with these problems and concerns.
So 89 posts in and you either have not read carefully, are confused, have not grasped the point, or are pretending to not grasp the point. The point is clear and obvious. It's age discrimination. The issue at stake is not that we masters will not attend Nationals now, of COURSE we will. The majority of players just want to know why Juniors and Seniors are receiving favorable treatment.
This is coming from someone who has not complained about this at all, so don't anyone get hissy at me. I'm just HOPEFULLY clearing up some confusion.
those who have a role...LL/LO, TO, PTO, professor...with OP have official forums to do just that.
mosherstomper
New Member
lets be honest the best jrs/srs test with masters. theyre good because theyre being taught and trained by older more experienced players. if those players leave then then yes you can expect this.
but for the most part the community is to close nit to really worry about that. most masters have been playing for years and enjoy traveling to see friends just as much as actually competing. so i really doubt this will ever happen.
Charranitar
Member
The one thing I still don't understand is why don't they just increase prize support with things that are very low cost, but can have high value to the players. Give players more packs, these things are just cardboard and packaging, they cannot cost much at all to produce. Give players some special promo cards, again, cardboardd and ink, shouldn't be hard to produce at a low cost. Give players loads upon loads of PTCGO codes. These things are literally free, and probably just a matter of having someone crediting PTCGO accounts with booster credits. So many ways to increase prize support at a low cost, but they don't seem to want to do it for whatever reason.
mosherstomper
New Member
ok so we should be submitting our gripes and concerns with you, who will hopefully in return bring them to tcpi correct?
so lets start here, its the vast majority of players opinions, that the recent change in the prize structure is unfair. can you bring this to there attention and ask for reasoning as well as a possible change?
thanks.
until then can we keep the bickkering and complaining to a minimum? just cry about it over facebook thats what im doing.
Mystery Thing
Administrator
What little influence we have is limited to the scope of OP. Obviously I don't know 100% for sure, but I think it's a safe bet that the prize structures for events comes from above the heads of OP. We really don't have any influence on what happens above that level.
The OP guys read assorted forums. Trust me, they will know players are ticked off whether we tell them or not. But that doesn't necessarily mean they can do anything about it.