Pikamaster
Active Member
Ok, let's resume, then.
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Werewolf XVIII: Dimensional Clash: Wolves/Outlaws Win!
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What makes you assume that?
If I had to guess anything, it would be a role with some kind of talk to someone at night ability, who used their ability pre-game. Or something like that.
Now, what assumptions can we make about those people involved? Methinks, very little. I don't want to see the town get distracted focusing on what happened instead of scumhunting. So, lets not, I say.
waynegg
CotD Editor<br>Forum Moderator
I go with Glaceon on that. Based on the info for why they were being replaced it's very plausible they were together. As such, killing one replacement would either incriminate the lot or put the remaining 2 as close to pro-town as you can get in this game. For day one, this is could be quite major.
I have no preference on which, but I think one of them needs to go.
I have no preference on which, but I think one of them needs to go.
thunderjolt
New Member
Personally, I was thinking that one of the replacees must have gotten some info on who was a wolf, so I was looking at it more like they were probably town guys. But glaceon/wayne's hypothesis is valid as well. Honestly, I believe we should play as if this replacement thing did not happen, because any number of things could have happened. I'm inclined to agree with tables on this one.
Pikamaster
Active Member
They were all replaced because the game could be repaired by replacing them, modkill was not necessary at this stage of the game (aka, 4 hours in). Do not judge anything off of them being replaced, they could have been modkilled just as easily had we not already had 2/3 replacements. Play as if the incident had never happened.
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Since when do you get to put words into my mouth? You do know what happens when you assume right?
I am going to write off this post as due to our lack of acquaintance. You will come to find that I am one of the more active players in this game. My post was by no means an excuse to not explain myself, but was because we needed to get out of placing random votes and move onto some real content so we can fish out scum. We are well on our way now.
The fact that you need to defend your random vote has me a bit suspicious... why the need to defend a random vote Kayle?
@Tables, I did see your posts and Jewel's posts, but you do realize that it was G Landers that was role-fishing right? Take a look at this post. Vablakes's question was clearly a sincere new player question, and I applaud his gusto to come right out and try to make discussion.
He doesn't come right out and ask about roles, but its more of an indirect route asking about circumstances being directly tied to some role.
As for content that you questioned...
1) We have the first player to come out and try to lead the town: Diaz.
2) We have our first wagon start up out of random voting: Eclipse
3) We have multiple contend on the topic of lurking.
4) Early Game Role Talk
Just to name a few.
^This post is the most scummy by far.
Vote: Human Destroyer
Reason:
Opportunistic jump on a new player.
Attempt to look pro-town by offering a host of tips.
Side-Note: I agree with Thunderjolt and Tables Re: Replacements. Its just as much a shot in the dark lynching from the pool of replacements as it is picking a random number to lynch.
Benzo
Front Page News Editor<br>Forum Moderator
@ Pikamaster-My thoughts exactly. Thus, I am not interested in speculation or discussing the endless possible open ended reasons as to what the case is. I just hope no one else get's replaced.
Moving on.
I would like a little bit of clarification on this, though:
Tables said:
The bolding is mine, which is where I would like clarification.
The whole paragraph (except the underlined part) does not sit right with me. It may simply be a "wording" issue as to how my mind perceives it and translate's it's meaning. The bolded part stuck out, I get the vibe that mentioning that part (bolded) is already like he is saying that he know's the pre-planned. Then again, it could be general statement of what is known to be common/normal for WW games. But not each game is the same, nor are the rules the same every time as well. After reading that part, my mind was "And you know there is pre-game planning?"- so, I would like clarification is all.
The first part is sort of: "I know nothing, except what is of my own"- which is a simple starting point of showing that in the start, I know my info, yet I know nothing. Common for people to say when other little info is known or shared.
Then, comparing what he knows to the rest of the town- how can you compare so quickly at the start of the game? Seems that you know something, yet you want to say that the town knows only so much only to what can be compared to when nothing is know except for roles have been sent out and begin.
Of course the mafia knows information. Plain and simple statement to the obvious in the begining of the game for those who know the game mechanics as simple rules and the sort.
Then the bolded part- it stuck out and that struck me odd is all- I already spoke on that, so- next part of the paragraph:
You say we do not have much to do. There is plenty to do. If there is not much to do so early, why state that? Seems like you know enough to say something like that. Like, you know who is town and who is not, so why start off with anything larger to do then RVS? It just seems odd to say there is not much to do, yet, it just comes off that you do not need to work so hard in finding scum.
I don't mind pushing to get more serious postings, so this posting of yours is in need of clarification please so that I can have a better understanding behind why this post sticks out so odd to me.
The underlined part- I agree with. That is the only part of the paragraph that did not sit funny with me.
This is just my mind's way of looking at this posting. I figure it is best to get clarification is all and to see if my mind is just looking at this posting in the incorrect manner by taking the post as flip-floppy in parts or just simple conversation trying to point in a good direction.
Tables, please clarify.
Nothing else sticks out at this time, besides the replacements and some postings to look through, all I have at this time.
Moving on.
I would like a little bit of clarification on this, though:
Tables said:
The bolding is mine, which is where I would like clarification.
The whole paragraph (except the underlined part) does not sit right with me. It may simply be a "wording" issue as to how my mind perceives it and translate's it's meaning. The bolded part stuck out, I get the vibe that mentioning that part (bolded) is already like he is saying that he know's the pre-planned. Then again, it could be general statement of what is known to be common/normal for WW games. But not each game is the same, nor are the rules the same every time as well. After reading that part, my mind was "And you know there is pre-game planning?"- so, I would like clarification is all.
The first part is sort of: "I know nothing, except what is of my own"- which is a simple starting point of showing that in the start, I know my info, yet I know nothing. Common for people to say when other little info is known or shared.
Then, comparing what he knows to the rest of the town- how can you compare so quickly at the start of the game? Seems that you know something, yet you want to say that the town knows only so much only to what can be compared to when nothing is know except for roles have been sent out and begin.
Of course the mafia knows information. Plain and simple statement to the obvious in the begining of the game for those who know the game mechanics as simple rules and the sort.
Then the bolded part- it stuck out and that struck me odd is all- I already spoke on that, so- next part of the paragraph:
You say we do not have much to do. There is plenty to do. If there is not much to do so early, why state that? Seems like you know enough to say something like that. Like, you know who is town and who is not, so why start off with anything larger to do then RVS? It just seems odd to say there is not much to do, yet, it just comes off that you do not need to work so hard in finding scum.
I don't mind pushing to get more serious postings, so this posting of yours is in need of clarification please so that I can have a better understanding behind why this post sticks out so odd to me.
The underlined part- I agree with. That is the only part of the paragraph that did not sit funny with me.
This is just my mind's way of looking at this posting. I figure it is best to get clarification is all and to see if my mind is just looking at this posting in the incorrect manner by taking the post as flip-floppy in parts or just simple conversation trying to point in a good direction.
Tables, please clarify.
Nothing else sticks out at this time, besides the replacements and some postings to look through, all I have at this time.
Human Destroyer
New Member
Opportunistic? I disagree. I do realize I erred in that Vablakes is a new player and probably wouldn't attempt such a tactic for evil purposes, but at the same time, I'm scummy for throwing a pressure vote at him? That's like saying I tried to lynch him for saying some random word 3 posts in. It's pretty much an RVS that's slightly less random. Keyword, slightly.
The host of tips is because we do have a lot of new players here (unless I read wrong), although I admit a link might have been the better way to go.
About the subbed players, I see no reason to lynch them at the present time. Whether they were linked or not is of course debatable, but they had some sort of information they weren't supposed to have, and that's really all that matters. I don't think we will learn anything of interest by lynching them.
Unvote
I'll find a better pressure target in the meantime.
Oh, also, scorri, what's with the third person? It can't be a speech imped, since you've posted in first person before.
Human Destroyer
New Member
Scorri, I'll be honest, that speech impediment claim is a little shaky since you have posted "out of character" 3 times, which usually means modkill, but I'm not really worried enough about faking speech impediments to really care.
I find the first sentence to be a little off. It's definitely not the scummiest thing in the world, not even close, but...it's just a feeling. I'm going to put it aside for now.
I do find Benzo's analysis of Tables' post interesting, and I'm willing to put a pressure vote over there to see what he has to say. At the same time, I'd like to give him his own opportunity to respond, because maybe he just hasn't read it yet. Therefore, I hold my vote.
I find the first sentence to be a little off. It's definitely not the scummiest thing in the world, not even close, but...it's just a feeling. I'm going to put it aside for now.
I do find Benzo's analysis of Tables' post interesting, and I'm willing to put a pressure vote over there to see what he has to say. At the same time, I'd like to give him his own opportunity to respond, because maybe he just hasn't read it yet. Therefore, I hold my vote.
Yeah, prohawk already leans town. Welcome!
I will also say I 100% agree with his post.
VOTE: HUMAN DESTROYER
sheeping sound logic is good.
Further HD (human destroyer) why the unvote. What in this post made you change your mind?
Vablakes, newb is as newb does, why was your behavior newbtown or newbwolf?
Glaceon, why the huge loss comment. I really don't understand, please explain.
I will also say I 100% agree with his post.
VOTE: HUMAN DESTROYER
sheeping sound logic is good.
Further HD (human destroyer) why the unvote. What in this post made you change your mind?
Vablakes, newb is as newb does, why was your behavior newbtown or newbwolf?
Glaceon, why the huge loss comment. I really don't understand, please explain.
pokemonplayer101
New Member
I agree here. Human Destroyer was very quick to try convict Vablakes of being scum.
For now, VOTE: Human Destroyer
Human Destroyer said:
scorri said:
Well, there's at least one imped this game. :/
Absoltrainer
Active Member
Prohawk you beat me to it, I was thinking that same thing.
He starts out in a joking non-chalant tone which is interesting, he makes a point to come off in this manner.
Note that he didn't quote or referance the post in question/reason for voting. This may seem like a pointless detail, but it's actually much bigger. He can make an opinion about a post without the reader being able to compare it to the post, meaning he has much more room to twist or take out of context. On that note, here is the post in question:
How is that role-fishing? Because he said "what roles do we expect to see in this game?" And he thinks that power roles are going to be slipping and saying their role in response? The seer isn't going to say there might be seers in the game, the detective isn't going to say there might be detectives in the game, and anyone with a unique role not seen before isn't going to say it either. If Valblakes had PUSHED the topic to try and get roles, I would call it role fishing.
This is what drew my attention to the post. He's going out of his way to try and seem helpful. He is literally screaming "HERE IS GOOD ADVICE FOR THE TOWN TO HELP EVERYONE! LOOK HOW HELPFUL, KNOWLEDGEABLE, AND FRIENDLY I AM!"
When you look at it all together, here is what you have:
-Cocky, nonchalant humorous entrance, sets the tone of the post to be calm, collected, and solid
-Goes straight for a new player, bases it on shoddy evidence, and doesn't even cite the post in question? Considering he spent all this time typing all the points below the accusation, he should have time to quote the post of the accused.
-Throws out a wall of fluff consisting of advice 90% of the players already know. He tries to come off as smart, useful and more importantly friendly.
The opening and ending both read like he is being so blatant about it. He wrote it so it screams "I'm being cool and non-chalant" and screams "I'm helpful and friendly" and in between is a vote for a player using werewolf terminoligy, but without citing the original post.
Vote: Human Destroyer
Scummu Post is scummy.
Pikamaster
Active Member
Human Destroyer, no future votes from you will count unless you unvote correctly.
Sandslash7
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It is incredibly risky to be making assumptions about reasons for replacement. There are any number of reasons, and deciding to vote for any or all of those players should be based on the replacement's play, not on any other factors.
scorri ~ I have no patience for faking speech impediments. Either prove that you have one your next post or stop it. Faking speech impediments is scummy at best. PREVIEW EDIT. The fact that Pika did not mention your impediment in his post is evidence against you.
VOTE: SCORRI
Tables ~ You mention ~11-12 as the number where "we see two teams." Explain. Why does one see "two teams" at those numbers? Are you setting up the town to split-vote two different factions by planting the idea early?
scorri ~ I have no patience for faking speech impediments. Either prove that you have one your next post or stop it. Faking speech impediments is scummy at best. PREVIEW EDIT. The fact that Pika did not mention your impediment in his post is evidence against you.
VOTE: SCORRI
Tables ~ You mention ~11-12 as the number where "we see two teams." Explain. Why does one see "two teams" at those numbers? Are you setting up the town to split-vote two different factions by planting the idea early?
thunderjolt
New Member
I really want to give you the benefit of the doubt here, but you did this to me before--and were a wolf. Overly enthusiastic way to say "hey this guy's a town, and I know it!"
VOTE: JPULICE
Also, those are some pretty good points, Absoltrainer. I'm definitely considering HD as well.
However, I just do not want to bypass this message that JP put out there.
Human Destroyer
New Member
Sorry about that, Unvote: Vablakes
Let's go in order, shall we?:
jpulice: Agrees with ProHawk. Gets bandwagon going. Asks questions. Something very typical of jpulice from what I've seen, so no comment here except an answer to his question:
I unvoted because a) It's a pressure vote that is no longer necessary, and b) because I made an honest mistake in thinking that Vablakes was role fishing.
PokemonPlayer101: Two words. Pressure. Vote. I have no plans to get Vablakes lynched, especially this early in the day.
Absoltrainer: I'm going to address points one by One.
1. That's my personality. It's just the way I act in general (although, I don't think I was being cocky).
2. Okay, so I didn't quote it. Sometimes, I just read things, and immediately make a post about it, even if it was 5 pages earlier. I'll admit, something I need to work on.
3. Now this part, I do find interesting. Although, actually, this is still my personality; I'm a teacher at heart. I'll admit, it definitely wasn't the best idea in the world.
For the record, none of the 4 people voting me are particularly scummy.
Let's go in order, shall we?:
jpulice: Agrees with ProHawk. Gets bandwagon going. Asks questions. Something very typical of jpulice from what I've seen, so no comment here except an answer to his question:
I unvoted because a) It's a pressure vote that is no longer necessary, and b) because I made an honest mistake in thinking that Vablakes was role fishing.
PokemonPlayer101: Two words. Pressure. Vote. I have no plans to get Vablakes lynched, especially this early in the day.
Absoltrainer: I'm going to address points one by One.
1. That's my personality. It's just the way I act in general (although, I don't think I was being cocky).
2. Okay, so I didn't quote it. Sometimes, I just read things, and immediately make a post about it, even if it was 5 pages earlier. I'll admit, something I need to work on.
3. Now this part, I do find interesting. Although, actually, this is still my personality; I'm a teacher at heart. I'll admit, it definitely wasn't the best idea in the world.
For the record, none of the 4 people voting me are particularly scummy.