Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Werewolf XVIII: Dimensional Clash: Wolves/Outlaws Win!

dave628 said:
I rather go after the werewolf faction as they are the only definitive faction that can kill at night. It looks like there is another faction or independent that can also kill at night as evidence by two deaths last night. However, we are totally in the dark who or what other faction is doing the killing in addition to the werewolf. If we can weed out the killing roles at night, the town should be, in theory, in really good shape especially if we can keep some of our investigative role(s) alive.

So my preference in order of lynch targets are 1) werewolf, 2) enforcer and pokemon. I believe either the enforcer or pokemon faction has a killing role, but I have no clue as to which one. From the night update, there was a person wielding a shiny metallic object, possibly a weapon; as he was shown to have cause the pain and suffering of either Kayle or Jellyfisher.

Also in the night update, a person was seen carrying a person up to a battlement and tying him up. The only person mention being tied up in the night update was Vegalitian.
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Sounds good to me. So who do you suggest we go after? If you're not going to try and lynch someone who's claimed a Pokemon then you must have someone else you want to lynch.

If you're town then you want to get rid of anyone who doesn't have a "Town Win" condition. Wolves might be #1, but they all still need to be eliminated eventually.
 
desufnoc said:
I am sorry but I am going to need a replacement. I am having problems keeping up with this thread. Sorry for this inconvenience.
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Please try harder, we are very short on subs (as in there is all of one, who is getting subbed into the game now, and even then people are asking for subs).

As a general note to everyone. Vote counts will be daily to once every other day for this game day, as it is Christmas time and I have a lot going on, as does LEX.

Also, I lost power a few hours ago. It is back now, but it may go out again. Please keep that in mind for any questions you may have.
 
Ok, I will try. I am not normally a talkative player anyways, so I guess I can come in once a day just to see what is going on

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TheKing said:
Since their win condition is "Enforcers win" and not "town wins" then they can't exactly be helping the town win. I don't know if we should prioritize finding wolves over everythign else if we have several other factions. After all, more Indies have won these games than wolves. assuming pokemon have the win condition of "pokemon win" then that means they must at least indirectly oppose the town so shouldn't we go after them also? Especially with a pokemon claim that has been acting suspiscious (Vablakes)
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So, what you're saying is, that you would rather hunt for Indies than hunt for Wolves, because more Indies have won in the past then Wolves? The Wolves move as a unit; if we take out one, another will just make the Night Kill. Usually, Indies work alone (hence the name "Independents"), and taking out the one with a killing role will end the +1 NK. The Enforcers and Pokemon (to me, at least) do not seem to be as threatening as Wolves.

With Giratina dead, I don't see too much chance of there being another killing role as part of the Pokemon group. It's possible, but I don't see it as very likely. I see there being a greater probability that Jelly's killer was either an Enforcer (leading to them not being all friendly) or another type of Indie we have yet to see (which is entirely possible).

To Sum it Up: I believe we should focus on finding the Wolves, and not get distracted with the different groups, as we do not know their motives/goals as of yet. Honestly, TheKing, I see your statement about not wanting to prioritize finding Wolves as rather scummy.

Suspicious Pointy Finger: TheKing
 
I suppose since I haven't been replaced yet, I may as well drop in with a few thoughts on the whole wolves vs. indies thing.
Basically, we should be hunting wolves, for a couple of reasons.
First, we know for a fact that wolves can kill, and their goal is to kill us. The independent groups may have one shot killing roles, but they don't even know what their win condition is. This makes it likely that they will side with the town.
Second, we already know who a couple of possible independent are. There is no reason to lynch them right now when they may have a protown role. There is no harm in keeping them alive for a few more days.
Third, we don't even know that all pokemon are independent. We have seen two characters from the Redwall universe, both in different factions.
Finally, wolves would love it if we were to spend the next few days just lynching independents. We are happy to be lynching of anti-town player after anti-town player, and then the wolves kill us.
In short, there is no reason to lynch possible independents instead of hunting for wolves. There is no harm in keeping alive confirmed independants until some wolves are lynching, and anyone pushing for independent lynches is high probability scum.
I don't have time to find who was pushing myself, but the town should seriously pressure everyone pushing for independent lynches, as scum is likely to be in the mix.
 
Wait what?

Guys, you shouldn't be tunneling wolves. We have to get rid of ANYONE without a Town win condition. Yes, Wolves are dangerous, but so are other anti towns!

I don't like Scottistru's policy of "If you lynch an independent, you're scummy", enough so that I will

Vote: Scottistru

Reason: Tunneling wolves to keep Enforcers and/or Indies from being harmed.
 
I think we should focus on wolves, but of there is Enforcer or Indie to be lynched, we can lynch them too if we don't have enough evidence to lynch any wolfish player. This brings me to Vablakes. He was acting scummy before, but his Pokemon role claim makes it probable he is indie, but he still could be a wolf/enforcer trying to appear town before he saw the role card flip. I can't think of any reason not to get Vablakes now, like he almost got lynched yesterday. And no, just because he is Latias doesn't mean he's friendly.

Vote: Vablakes
 
Well, let's look at the fact that two people were nightkilled. We can assume that one was killed by independents. The other by wolves. I don't know of any Pokemon that carry knives/swords. Yeah, Scyther, whatever. It doesn't match the description. I think Giratina might have just been a rogue.

Also, scottistru made a good point with the Redwall thing. We have 2 characters, and they are both from different factions.

Also, that other nightkill could have been a vig. There are tons of possibilities. I think we need more evidence about the different factions before we jump to conclusions. Why don't we go after wolves today and see what the nightkills bring before we jump to conclusions? If worse comes to worse, you can lynch me tomorrow. We have one Pokemon flip, and now we are going beserk saying "One Pokemon flipped a different win conditions so the whole lot of them must be bad kill them!". We have had two Redwall characters flip, and they were both from different factions. Is it not possible that all the Pokemon have different win conditions? I know that mine is "Town Wins".
 
Human Destroyer said:
Wait what?

Guys, you shouldn't be tunneling wolves. We have to get rid of ANYONE without a Town win condition. Yes, Wolves are dangerous, but so are other anti towns!

I don't like Scottistru's policy of "If you lynch an independent, you're scummy", enough so that I will

Vote: Scottistru

Reason: Tunneling wolves to keep Enforcers and/or Indies from being harmed.
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But the point is that we do not know if our Pokemon are anti-Town. Yes, in order to win and end the game we will have to get rid of opposing factions (unless they have a win condition that only requires them to survive). But it is possible that their factions might win with the Town, or something to that effect. It could be a "last faction standing" type thing, but like I said, with their one-time vigilante dead, Pokemon are not going to be much danger (unless they have another vigilante, which would be weird).

Wolves do not like other groups that have a NK. They will be trying to find them and kill them (by lynch or by NK), which means that as long as they are focused on trying to find Enforcers/Pokemon/whatever, we can get ahead of them.

Also, in case you missed it, the title of this game is WereWolf, because the object of the game is to lynch the Wolves, and then other opposing factions.

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Vablakes said:
I don't know of any Pokemon that carry knives/swords.
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Most likely a KotRT, a Redwall character, or something else. Although, it is still possible that a Pokemon could be a Wolf, seeing as how the 2 Redwall characters were Town and Enforcers; same dimension, different alignment.
 
scorri said:
scorri also does not like this post. The flipped wincon was "Pokemon win" and scorri does not see how this is not a useful lynch. If Vablakes flips with a "Pokemon win" wincon, scorri will probably be looking into DarthPika more.

VOTE VABLAKES
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I believe you misunderstood what I was saying. I never said it's not a good idea to lynch Vablakes. I was only saying that I wish to not jump to the conclusion that ALL pokemon are anti town, or that they all have the same win condition based only ONE dead pokemon. Drawing conclusions from one data point is never wise, and can lead to dead townies if you make the wrong assumptions.
 
DarthPika said:
I believe you misunderstood what I was saying. I never said it's not a good idea to lynch Vablakes. I was only saying that I wish to not jump to the conclusion that ALL pokemon are anti town, or that they all have the same win condition based only ONE dead pokemon. Drawing conclusions from one data point is never wise, and can lead to dead townies if you make the wrong assumptions.
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And at the same time, if you never test a theory you can never prove it. That said, I agree we shouldn't rush to kill off the Pokemon and forget to go after the wolves who hunt us at night. While others might kill, with wolves it's a definite.
 
Oh, I agree. I'm all for lynching Vablakes. I was just trying to caution the town before we got on an out of control KILL ALL THE POKEMON bandwagon, which would cause much confusion, and allow the wolves to control the town as they pleased while the town was distracted.

Post #869 basically states exactly what I think of what should be done considering the pokemon group, and how we should currently view them.
 
Sorry all I've been traveling for work again. I'm back home and will be going on vacation with the family tomorrow for the week. I will try to keep up while on vacation but I wont count on it.

The Vablakes debate is an interesting one for sure. On one hand you have a claimed pokemon and a indy faction flip saying Pokemon win. On the other hand the wolves are the biggest threat. I can see both sides however, it's early and a potential gimme is on the board.

If Vablakes were town I would've expected his tone to be much different in his posts --- something along the lines of I'm town & pokemon. In fact they are the opposite and full of WIFOM. Giratina bad - Latias good. If I missed it please let me know, however, I think he is of the pokemon win faction. By lynching Vablakes now we take this one faction down another member and we avoid a potential mis-lynch. In my opinion when we have a know non-town entity on the board we take him out, period. Unless a wolf / enforcer presents themselves:

VOTE: Vablakes

FOS: PP101 (claimed pokemon)

And to everyone happy holidays!
 
Forgot to do this in my last post:

Vote: Vablakes


Don't everyone vote for him TOO fast, since we don't want to end the day earlier than needed.
 
DragonClyne725 said:
With Giratina dead, I don't see too much chance of there being another killing role as part of the Pokemon group. It's possible, but I don't see it as very likely. I see there being a greater probability that Jelly's killer was either an Enforcer (leading to them not being all friendly) or another type of Indie we have yet to see (which is entirely possible).
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With that, you are saying Jellyfisher was pro-town, yet the update says nothing about that. The front page says nothing about that. Speaking in such definites is never a good thing in a game where everything is unknown and in my eyes casts a shadow of doubt on you.

DragonClyne725 said:
Wolves do not like other groups that have a NK. They will be trying to find them and kill them (by lynch or by NK), which means that as long as they are focused on trying to find Enforcers/Pokemon/whatever, we can get ahead of them.
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In any game of WW, the wolves have to have a majority win. Factions mean nothing from the viewpoint of a werewolf, and someone as experienced as you knows that. In that light, all you said was 'blah, blah, blah look I want to appear pro-town myself' with absolutely no substance.

So, I call bluff while the shadow surrounding you deepens...

VOTE: DragonClyne725
 
Vablakes said:
Well, let's look at the fact that two people were nightkilled. We can assume that one was killed by independents. The other by wolves. I don't know of any Pokemon that carry knives/swords. Yeah, Scyther, whatever. It doesn't match the description. I think Giratina might have just been a rogue.
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Bisharp?


Also, mind telling us your win condition?


I will vote Vablakes but don't want to vote in case we are at l-2
 
scorri would like to point out that unless votes from last phase carry over, there have been four votes on Vablakes. scorri would also like to point out that 21 votes are required to lynch this phase. scorri thinks that Glaceon is either not thinking or trying to come up with a reason to not vote Vablakes since scorri views it as kind of ridiculous to even think Vablakes might be at L-2 this early into the phase.
 
scorri said:
scorri would like to point out that unless votes from last phase carry over, there have been four votes on Vablakes. scorri would also like to point out that 21 votes are required to lynch this phase. scorri thinks that Glaceon is either not thinking or trying to come up with a reason to not vote Vablakes since scorri views it as kind of ridiculous to even think Vablakes might be at L-2 this early into the phase.
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Or I'm being cautious because I once did that and ended the day early.
 
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