Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

A Poisonous Mind (Grass/Psychic)

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Garacesh

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Okay, this is the first deck I've made since I played Pokemon as a child - So basically no experience deck-building :p

Now all of the cards I own I obtained quite recently, but I'm not entirely sure if any of them are banned under Modifed Format (to be honest I have no idea how often Modified and Unlimited are played).. So if anybody knows of any that may be banned, let me know so I can look into it.. Otherwise just ratings and tips, additions/subtractions, etc. The usual. Thanks.

This deck basically works to gain advantage early on in the game, using cards like Bill/Mom, Elm and Bebe's to gain a field advantage, also with Masquerain to draw and deal damage. Whichever comes first aims to get Gardevoir or Venusaur on the field. Haunter, Nidorino and Turtwig GL are there mainly for fallbacks, with Nidorina and Pokemon Rescue to recycle Pokemon.

Non-Pokemon:
Energies (21)
9x Psychic
10x Grass
2x Double Colourless

Trainer (5)
1x Energy Search
1x Quick Ball
1x Dusk Ball
1x Moomoo Milk
1x Pokemom Rescue

Supporter (7)
1x Bill
1x Mom's Kindness
1x Fisherman
1x Professor Elm's Training Method
3x Bebe's Search

Stadium (1)
1x Miasma Valley

Pokemon:
Basic Psychic (7)
1x Arceus
1x Nidoran(m)
2x Nidoran(f)
1x Gastly
2x Ralts

Stage 1 Psychic (5)
1x Haunter
2x Kirlia
1x Nidorino
1x Nidorina

Stage 2 Psychic (1)
1x Gardevoir

Lv. X(1)
1x Gardevoir Lv.X

Basic Grass (7)
1x Carnivine
2x Surskit
3x Bulbasaur
1x Turtwig GL

Stage 1 Grass (4)
2x Ivysaur
2x Masquerain

Stage 2 Grass (1)
1x Venusaur
 
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if you can't get a hold of roseanne's then pokemon collectors should do the trick, the energy could be slimmed down a bit, and a thing you might want to look into is pachirisu for it's call for family attack, if you can nab this little piece of gold, i'd concentrate on getting more of the bebe's search and elm's training method.
 
arMILO said:
if you can't get a hold of roseanne's then pokemon collectors should do the trick, the energy could be slimmed down a bit, and a thing you might want to look into is pachirisu for it's call for family attack, if you can nab this little piece of gold, i'd concentrate on getting more of the bebe's search and elm's training method.
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Ouch.. I have a Pachirisu, but it's not the one with Call for Family, it's the one with Tail Slap and Pachi.. Bummer.
I do however have a Cubone with Look for Friends, would it be worth using that?
 
yeah, it's not too bad. it'll do, and you can look in the researching tower and look at if there's anything else that has a good call for friends/family attack.
 
If you're gonn have a cubone might as well run the LA Marowak with Bone rush. grass takes some serious skill to play competitively.

Don't play bill. or moms kindness. If you're going to use supporter draw power i would highly recommend professor oaks new theory and/or volkners philosophy.
 
Replaced Quick Ball and Dusk Ball with Roseanne's Research and Underground Expedition.
Still looking for more Roseanne's and Bebe's.
 
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Please look at the collaborative deck article
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This.

I get that you're new and haven't played in a while, I also get that you're trying to make a deck with only the cards you have, but evolution lines like 1 Gastly, 2 Haunter should never happen. You can make a decent deck with only/mostly commons, uncommons, and league promos, but it's got to have some kind of focus... this thing is just everywhere.

Try something like this:

4 Turtwig GL
4 Uxie
2 Crobat G
2 Unown G
2 Baltoy
2 Claydol

2 Roseanne's
3 Bebe's
2 Pokemon Collector
4 Cyrus's Conspiracy
3 Expert Belt
4 Plus Power
4 Team Galactic's Invention Poke Turn
2 TGI Energy Gain
4 TGI Power Spray
2 TGI SP Radar

4 SP Energy
4 Double Colorless Energy
5 Grass
1 Psychic

This deck is decent, should run very smooth, and only uses commons, uncommons, and league promos. Use Turtwig as your main attacker, he heals while he smashes, Uxie is your secondary attacker and drawer... you can load him up with Expert Belts/Plus Powers and shuffle them all back into the deck.
 
Thanks, for the input, redthirst.

As for 2 haunter, that was mainly for placeholding.. Well, that and I thought I had two Gastly's. Miscounting. Whoops.

One Haunter has been removed for Nidoran(F), and Beedrill G and Roserade C have also been removed (on account of I never really use them) for another Nidoran(F) and Nidorina

I appreciate your input on what would make a good deck, however I'm looking for input on MY deck, not yours... If I went ahead and spent god knows how much getting those cards, then went ahead and built the deck, there'd be no skill in making that deck. It wouldn't be a deck, it would just be money.. I don't want to be come "that player" that throws loads of cash around to get specific cards. Nobody likes "that player".
 
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Okay, well, good luck.

...and just so you know, there's not a rare in that deck (that isn't a promo), if you play with a group, you could probably get that deck together for little to no money.

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Also, just for my own edification, what exactly is the difference between copying a decent list and playing it, and posting a bad list asking for help and making changes suggested by others and playing that. If you just take a pile of 60 random cards with no synergy, post it, and ask other members to turn it into something playable... then there's really no skill involved in making that deck either (well, at least no skill on your part). Personally, I'd rather be "that player" who copies and pastes a good deck than "that player" who basically says "here's the cards I own, make a good deck for me with them." That's the player nobody likes (at least, that's been my experience).
 
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The difference being that asking people for a bit of help modifying my deck is different than asking people to build an entire deck for me. I don't want to sound egotistical and big-headed, I know I'm not the greatest player, deck builder, or whatever, so if you're reading this in your head and I sound that way, you're reading it wrong.

My point about spending money to get the cards falls under two reasons.
1) Booster packs are pseudo-random. Sure, you can buy certain packs for a certain card, but the amount of other cards in that set make it hit-and-miss on which you're going to get. So let's try trading.
2) A lot of people are absolute dicks (am I allowed to say that?) when it comes to trading in TCG's and won't trade unless they're ripping someone off - Thus throwing me back to option 1, booster packs.

Also, please note I haven't listed all my cards here. I've listed the cards I've put into a deck, which granted, has no current macro or specific strategy, but I've done what I can. Only THEN have I asked for advice. I haven't - as you seem to say I have - posted up my entire card collection and 'basically said "here's the cards I own, make a good deck for me with them."'
 
Sorry the players in your area are such dicks... I had no idea. If a new player walked into my league with a list of common/uncommon/promo wants for a deck, he'd probably get (almost) everything he needed for very little or no money/trade. It sucks that the players in your area are such jack-holes.

Also, although you didn't come out and say "make a list with the cards I have", when someone makes a suggestion and you respond by saying "I don't have that card, can't I use this one I do have?" it sort of implies that. That may not have been your intention, but that's how it sounds.

Finally, don't shun a deck just because you weren't the one to invent it... if you like a deck, play with it and substitute cards, improve it and make the deck your own. If you don't like the deck or think it's bad, that's a legitimate reason to not play it, but not playing a deck just because someone else thought of it before you is stupid. It's also fairly elitest to look down on people who do play popular decks as "those" people who simply "buy" their wins with no skill involved.
 
I didn't say the deck was bad - where are you getting that idea from?
I simply said I wouldn't want to use it because I'd had no input into it. I'd rather start with my own creation and have others input than the other way around, because at the end of the day it's still mainly based on my ideas and effort - not somebody elses. Consider it pride or simply being an ***. Possibly both.

Also you seem to have misunderstood me. I didn't say people who play those decks were bad. I said the people that spend lots of money just to get one specific card (or in this case, forty) were bad.. Bear in mind I'm not a league player, just small local tournaments at the very most and such. Friendly play. I dislike the people who take TCG's way too seriously, and the people that will spend god-knows-how-much to get what they want, who then go and play with the small-timers. Thye just ruin it for me. That's my take. If you disagree then that's up to you.

Can we get back to suggesting improvements for the deck I listed now? This debate isn't really leading towards anything..
 
I was in your situation about 4 months ago, having decided to just get back into the game when the HGSS pre-release occurred. Something that may help you a lot, since you say you go to local tournaments, one of those places will probably have a pre-release tournament for the new Unleashed set that comes out, and those tournaments are either this weekend or next weekend. Starting up again is hard because you usually don't have any cards people are interested in since they're all old (I experienced this myself) and don't have much for new cards. The pre-release is a good way to get the newest cards, and unless you get some really good ones (there aren't that many in the upcoming set) what I would do is trade a lot of those cards you get for a lot of the trainers and supporters and pokemon that people have suggested in this thread, the more 'staple' cards for decks.

Also, buying packs isn't necessarily a terrible idea, as certain sets have a decent amount of cards that people want, that are useful. Platinum comes to mind, since it has all of the SP trainers such as PokeTurn and Energy Gain and Power Spray, and pokemon such as Crobat G that's used in a ton of decks right now. I was also on a pretty strict budget, so I did a little bit of buying packs, and a lot of trading to get what I wanted. It helped that the people at my league were very understanding and generous and would find older cards they liked to trade for newer cards that I needed.

I would try to get some Rare Candy, since that should be in any deck running stage 2 evolutions, and you're running two (venusaur and gardevoir). Basically, those trainers/supporters such as Bebe's, Roseanne's, Professor Oak's New Theory, Copycat, Pokemon Collector/Communication, VS seeker, and others are all trainers you should try to target.

Claydol and Uxie (along with Roseanne's Research) were recently league promos, so you could hopefully get your hands on some of these for not too too much in return. Also, cards are now traded based off of playability, so you won't always be able to get a rare you want just for a rare you have, for example. These speed up your deck and add a lot of consistency and enable you to draw exactly what you need, especially with the deck not being exactly focused on any certain few pokemon, since there is a lot of variety of basics and evolution lines.

If people at league and such are that terrible of traders, what you may want to consider doing is opening a trade thread on here, as people on here are mostly trustworthy, and there are collectors that would probably have interest in some of your older cards and such.

I'm sorry if any of this is redundant or previously addressed, but I hope it helps!:thumb:
 
your deck is a little mixed up...try taking out the gastly, haunter, nidorino, and nidoran male for a 1-1-1nidoqueen line. the last space should be an azelf for getting the cards you want out of your prized
 
Garacesh said:
I didn't say the deck was bad - where are you getting that idea from?
I simply said I wouldn't want to use it because I'd had no input into it. I'd rather start with my own creation and have others input than the other way around, because at the end of the day it's still mainly based on my ideas and effort - not somebody elses. Consider it pride or simply being an ***. Possibly both.
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I didn't say you did say the deck was bad, I said that if you thought it was bad, then that's a legitimate reason not to play it. You don't want to play the deck because it wasn't "your creation", fine, but that's what a competent deck should look like: at least 4 of the pokemon you plan on winning the game with (4/0, 3/1, 2/2, 1/3, or 0/4 Gardevoir/Venusaur), some number of secondary attacker/support pokemon, and trainers and supporters that help you set up or otherwise win the game.
Also you seem to have misunderstood me. I didn't say people who play those decks were bad. I said the people that spend lots of money just to get one specific card (or in this case, forty) were bad.. Bear in mind I'm not a league player, just small local tournaments at the very most and such. Friendly play. I dislike the people who take TCG's way too seriously, and the people that will spend god-knows-how-much to get what they want, who then go and play with the small-timers. Thye just ruin it for me. That's my take. If you disagree then that's up to you.
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I just want to make sure I'm understanding you here: if someone spends $60 buying packs and builds a deck out of those cards, that person is "good", but if someone spends $60 buying the specific cards they need for a deck, that person is "bad"... that about cover it?
Can we get back to suggesting improvements for the deck I listed now? This debate isn't really leading towards anything..
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Beef up your Gardevoir and Venesaur lines, take out the random pokemon that don't really do anything, add in some sort of card draw (uxie, claydol), use good supporters/trainers (Bebe's, Roseanne's, Collector, Communication, etc.) not just crap that takes up space so you can have 60 cards, lose some of that energy... at the very least, play an Azelf in case one of your 2 pokemon actually capable of doing some real damage gets prized.
 
Wow... I was going to post some help and suggestions, but it seems like the OP just wants to argue with people on everything. OP, stop getting all huffy at redthirst, he's just trying to help. When you shoot down cards we suggest that you don't have, there's not much we can do. We're not saying go out and get these, it's just suggestions. And when he posted the Turtwig deck, he was using some of the cards in your deck to show you how to turn it into something cheap and semi-awesome. Stop being so defensive about everything, right now you are the reason this thread is going nowhere. You don't have to try and counter or defend yourself against every post, you're just continuing the circle. Now, if you're an adult, you will consider what I said and not reply to this. If you want the thread to move on, let it.

As a note: Just because you buy the specific cards you need doesn't mean you're a bad or cheap player. It means you might not have loads of money to buy booster after booster chasing an off chance of getting what you need. When you build a deck, playtest it with proxies and once you're sure of what you want, buy the cards you need online. There's nothing horrible or shameless about it.​
 
redthirst said:
a competent deck should look like: at least 4 of the pokemon you plan on winning the game with (4/0, 3/1, 2/2, 1/3, or 0/4 Gardevoir/Venusaur), some number of secondary attacker/support pokemon, and trainers and supporters that help you set up or otherwise win the game.
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THAT'S the kind of information I was looking for. Thanks.

redthirst said:
I just want to make sure I'm understanding you here: if someone spends $60 buying packs and builds a deck out of those cards, that person is "good", but if someone spends $60 buying the specific cards they need for a deck, that person is "bad"... that about cover it?
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I can't be bothered explaining it. There are too many situations and variables, plus it's irrelevant. Sorry I brought it up. Moving on.

redthirst said:
Beef up your Gardevoir and Venesaur lines, take out the random pokemon that don't really do anything, add in some sort of card draw (uxie, claydol), use good supporters/trainers (Bebe's, Roseanne's, Collector, Communication, etc.) not just crap that takes up space so you can have 60 cards, lose some of that energy... at the very least, play an Azelf in case one of your 2 pokemon actually capable of doing some real damage gets prized.
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Again, that's the sort of info I was looking for. Thanks again. The only reason some of those are there IS indeed - as you said - to fill up space until I get something better. But I don't want to sit there with two tins of cards and not playing, so for now there's not much else I can do. I'll keep my eyes out for ways to strengthen the evolution lines.

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Wow... I was going to post some help and suggestions, but it seems like the OP just wants to argue with people on everything. OP, stop getting all huffy at redthirst, he's just trying to help. When you shoot down cards we suggest that you don't have, there's not much we can do. We're not saying go out and get these, it's just suggestions. And when he posted the Turtwig deck, he was using some of the cards in your deck to show you how to turn it into something cheap and semi-awesome. Stop being so defensive about everything, right now you are the reason this thread is going nowhere. You don't have to try and counter or defend yourself against every post, you're just continuing the circle. Now, if you're an adult, you will consider what I said and not reply to this. If you want the thread to move on, let it.​
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Lol. Get a load of this guy. "If you're an adult." Get over yourself. I never said there was a problem with suggesting cards I don't have, nor did I 'shoot them down'. They're perfectly good cards and may indeed help - I merely pointed out I didn't have them and asked if one I did have would be suitable until I came across what was suggested (i.e. Pachirisu/Cubone)

Yes - I'm countering and defending myself against you, but that's because you're being holier-than-thou and ecotistical. I reply to a lot of posts here because I'm only just getting back into the game and have a fair few questions. Is it a crime? I think not. Next.

"If I'm an adult" I will consider what you have said. Yes. I will and have. If YOU'RE an adult, you'll get your head out of your butt and not try wailing down on people who have questions. Do you have any actual suggestions or not? 'Cause your post just seemed like you wanted to self-promote yourself.
 
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