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Well, I can see there are a LOT of misconceptions about Christianity in this thread, but I'm not going to try and address every single one, because it's not likely to change anyones mind anyway, I'd just like to say, do some research before you totally generalize stuff, and actually try to study the Bible at least a little bit before you totally take stuff out of context. Anyway, I will say this:

Christianity is the only world religion that does not base where you go in the next life on what you DO in this one. Christianity is based on whether you BELIEVE Jesus if the one and only God of the universe that died in our place to pay for our sins against HIS laws. Believing is all that really matters, but TRYING to live better in like a secondary effect that will happen if you truely believe, but it's like an indicator, not a requirement.

As for the original question, do you know why light has momentum but no mass? How fast is the speed of darkness? How man licks DOES it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? You get the idea. There are WAY too many questions in life that go unanswered to wait for "scientific proof" of something before believing/considering it.

Oh, and one of my pet pieves (sp?) is the whole science vs Christianity thing on the age of the earth. The Bible chronology (sp?) added up give us that the earth is roughly 7,000 years old. "Science" says that is is like 4.2 billion, but the number seems to almost change on a daily basis (some sarcasm intended). Anyway, the methods generally used for age dating are considered, even within the scientific community, to be extremely inaccurate at best. Not exactly scientific. Oh, and I do know science, being a science junky for years, and being a 4th year Engineering Student. just take what I say at face value, there is no putting-down or anything like that implied or meant, just trying to get some stuff out there.

POKEMAN
 
V_For_Vendetta said:
I'm confused on this whole "Heaven thing"

Let's say the Christian religion is true. What happens if you go to Heaven, and your mom's not there? Can you still enjoy it? Would God place a soulless doppleganger of your mom in Heaven to trick you into thinking she's not burning in **** for eternity while you're living it up? Or would you become "enlightened" to the point that you realize that your mom's in the right place because she committed some "sin" as a mortal, imperfect human.
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There's something I notice a lot with criticisms of anything supernatural. You're thinking about the topic within what you know now. You're working within the logic you have in this plane of existence. It would seem that God is from an entirely different plane of existence, and we can't comprehend everything.

Why does God do this? Why does God do that? We don't know. We're just thinking within the confines of our inferior existence. There's a level of understanding that is far beyond what any of us can hope for. I would love for us to be able to think outside the box in this instance, but I don't think that's possible. BTW, I have no way of proving any of this stuff I'm saying right now, it's just my opinion, based on previous observations of myself and others "thinking inside the box".

It would be like a dog watching a big commercial airplane fly over him. Try getting him to fully understand the concept. Just like the dog, there are things that are beyond us humans, things that we may never understand.

I think we could all benefit from an understanding that there are things we cannot understand.
 
Krucifier said:
My Step-Father is a real religious fanatic.

I asked him your question.

His reply was "In Heaven you will have no knowledge of, or need for your earthly family. It will just be your spirit, the spirits of all other believers, and God, living in perfection, forever."

So go figure. Turns out we're just living this life in preperation for the next... No wonder my Step-Father doesn't really accomplish anything... =S
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boring, if I forget stuff i did in this life that would be completely pointless (JIMO). There are many religious scholars who believe that one keeps memories/ect.



However I am not sure either. It is a good question. I don't think "God" would put a prixy of someone.
 
toxictaipan said:
I'm still trying to figgure out how Adam lived for hundreds and hundreds of years. On the Creationist's side, the Earth is only a few thousand years old, and on the Evolutionist's side, it's a few billion...

So, that implies that we lost the ability to live that long very recently.

Has anyone lived that long since Biblical times? I don't think so.

So, what happened? What caused us to live such a shorter life? I mean 400+ years shorter, that's just not realistic.
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Seriously?

Throughout our history, we have GAINED length to our lifespans. Cavemen weren't living to 80, neither were people in the middle ages. There is no evidence a person named Adam who lived for "hundreds and hundreds" of years exists, except for that one book. Humans were never able to live for 400+ years, let alone 150+. If you take everything in the Bible as fact, you will lose every argument you come across.



POKEMAN said:
Well, I can see there are a LOT of misconceptions about Christianity in this thread, but I'm not going to try and address every single one, because it's not likely to change anyones mind anyway, I'd just like to say, do some research before you totally generalize stuff, and actually try to study the Bible at least a little bit before you totally take stuff out of context. Anyway, I will say this:


Maybe we are misconceptualizing YOUR paticular sect. As a christian, you should know that there are many many different forms of "christianity." We aren't going to take the time to address each sect, so we generalize over the faith as a whole, and the generallyl shared common values and beliefs of the majority of the sects.


Christianity is the only world religion that does not base where you go in the next life on what you DO in this one. Christianity is based on whether you BELIEVE Jesus if the one and only God of the universe that died in our place to pay for our sins against HIS laws. Believing is all that really matters, but TRYING to live better in like a secondary effect that will happen if you truely believe, but it's like an indicator, not a requirement.


One of my big problems with christianity is this one. I can give to charity, never _ever_ tell a lie, steal, or take a life, help those less fortunate, ****, I could even go vegan, and I STILL wouldn't get into "heaven" because I didn't believe Jesus Christ was the son of "God." And even though "God" is all loving, he will still send me to eternal damnation even if I was the most caring and compassionate person who ever lived.


As for the original question, do you know why light has momentum but no mass? How fast is the speed of darkness? How man licks DOES it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? You get the idea. There are WAY too many questions in life that go unanswered to wait for "scientific proof" of something before believing/considering it.

LOL@light. Light is both a particle and a wave, it depends on what you are wanting it to be. Look into quantum physics a bit before you talk about light. I won't go into the experiments that have happened about light being a wave or particle or both, there is plenty on the internet for people to find about it, and it isn't the point of this thread. I take offense when you go "scientific proof," because it makes me think you don't even know what science is.


Oh, and one of my pet pieves (sp?) is the whole science vs Christianity thing on the age of the earth. The Bible chronology (sp?) added up give us that the earth is roughly 7,000 years old. "Science" says that is is like 4.2 billion, but the number seems to almost change on a daily basis (some sarcasm intended). Anyway, the methods generally used for age dating are considered, even within the scientific community, to be extremely inaccurate at best. Not exactly scientific. Oh, and I do know science, being a science junky for years, and being a 4th year Engineering Student. just take what I say at face value, there is no putting-down or anything like that implied or meant, just trying to get some stuff out there

7000? I'm pretty sure most of the estimates are 6000-6500, but anyway...
The scientifically estimated age of the Earth has actually stayed pretty constant for a long period of time, it only varies by a few decades or centuries, nothing major. Nice try though.
Do you even know how the dating methods work? They find a radioactive isotope, which means that the atom constantly sheds its neutrons at an incredibly steady and virtually unchanging rate, see how many nuetrons it has lost, and estimate how long it has existed. So you just go out, find something with a very long half-life, do a little math, and voila. There are different elements for different scales of time. Carbon dating is pretty effective for a while, but when you start talking rougly 3.5+ billion years, other isotopes and elements are needed to more preciscely calculate the age of the Earth. I would really like to know those who you say that this method of dating is extremely innacurate, I really would.
When you say you "know science," what exactly does that mean? Does that mean you have taken a logic course about science? Philosophy of science? Read hundreds and hundreds of books? Just because you are a 4th year Engineering Student doesn't mean you know a THING about science, you just know mechanics. If you did "know science," you would probably know the scientific method, what science means, etc. etc. So far, you haven't shown that you do. I don't mean to "put you down" or anything, but you never know who actually might be a science major :/
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All you need to do is look at oil and dinosaur fossils to realize the earth is much, much older than any Creationist could argue for.
 
ryanvergel said:
All you need to do is look at oil and dinosaur fossils to realize the earth is much, much older than any Creationist could argue for.
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Agreed. Carbon dating is not so inaccurate that it would overestimate the age of the earth by a few billion years.
 
Well, I'm not sure about oil, but I do know that there have been fossils that have been proven to be formed in as little as 50 years, so that argument is kind of dead.

But all in all, this is off topic, and we should stop discussing it here and return to the original topic of the afterlife, though this is semi-related.

POKEMAN
 
Well one theroy I have heard (from other Christians). What they considered years in Bible times is different than what we consider a year now (365 days).
 
Jaeger said:
Well one theroy I have heard (from other Christians). What they considered years in Bible times is different than what we consider a year now (365 days).
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Yeah, I just relized that after my post, but then they don't even have their whole story straight. (not that they did in the first place, obviously)
 
In Christianity there is a great debate going on about new earth vs old earth. Both are supported by the bible. It comes down to the original hebrew translation of the word for day, yom, which carries a dual meaning. Yom means both day and it also means a great span of time. The reason of great span of time was used was because word like million and billion were not yet created. So when the bible says one the first day he created ____ it could aslo read on the first span of time he created _____. This then ties to carbon dating. The interesting thing about using any element to date is that you can only accuratley date the items we know the date of, correct. The rest are left to estimates. The one thing we have seen in elements that have short life spans is that they decay exponetially and irregulary. We performed an experiment at my college that proved this. The same should be considered to the carbon dating as well. My question is how so many animals from so many different time periods, according to science alone, can all be perfectly fossilized by the exact conditions that the flood mentioned in the bible would meet?
Going back to how adam and eve lived to be 900+ is because God intended for us to live forever, but because of sin we lost that gift. In Genesis 6:3 the bible says that the God shortened the life span of man to 120 years.
Back to the original question asked. The bible speaks of two kingdoms you can enter, the kingdom of heaven and the kingdom of ****. Jesus is the way according to the bible. We are born into our fathers sin and so we sin in return. Many believe you can work you way out of **** by doing good deeds. Good deeds determine which level of heaven and **** you go to. This as includes evil deeds. God say all have fallen short in the glory of God. We simply can not meet his requirements on our own. That is why he sent his son, Jesus Christ to become the final sacrafice to attone for everyones sins. He bridges the gap between us and God. So then when we accpet him as our savior and are judged, God sees his son instead of us. To argue about whether or not you lead a good life is nulled by the fact you have sinned. Jesus makes the basic ten sins, the ten commandments, cover all evil. He breaks them further down and shows how we are all not without sin in the book of Ephesians of the New Testament.

I like questions that challenge the Bible because the book has withstood the test of time and has yet to fail. So please by all means keep them coming.
 
So, what you're saying is "Yom" which is the word for "day" and "great span of time" was used. Which suggests that it may not have taken God 24-hour "days" to make the Earth and all the animals, etc, but possibly longer "spans of time"?

I thought that's where we got our 24 hour days, 7 day week from, though...
 
"Seriously?

Throughout our history, we have GAINED length to our lifespans. Cavemen weren't living to 80, neither were people in the middle ages. There is no evidence a person named Adam who lived for "hundreds and hundreds" of years exists, except for that one book. Humans were never able to live for 400+ years, let alone 150+. If you take everything in the Bible as fact, you will lose every argument you come across."

100% incorrect. We haven't been gaining anything, just having the AVERAGE life expentency of a human being increase due to advances in medical science. People have liven for over 80 years in the past, but it wasn't as common due to disease and other factors.
 
toxictaipan said:
Do you relize how, very, very, very possible that is? And do you relize that if aliens were to land and we have proof, that would blow the whole religious thing out the window, and with that, we would have no sins?

That would mean it would be completely fine to do whatever you want, morally correct or not.

And do you know how fast criminals, not to mention the rest of the world would jump on the chance for that? Let's just put it this way, the power has power becuase of guilt, whether that guilt be valid or not.
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Of course I realize that it's possible. I think it's true, so obviously I think it's possible.

I doubt that aliens landing would invalidate all religions, and Heaven and **** being a lie wouldn't mean there is no right or wrong.

If the world would instantly sink into corruption because one religious theory was proven false, it would have been getting there anyway.

I agree almost completely with RyanVergel. The concept of any afterlife is simply a way to make death easier to cope with. Religion is a way to convince yourself that you are doing the right thing, that there is a meaning to life, and that you understand the universe. I suspect many people would go insane without something to believe in, and it motivates people to at least try to do the right thing, so there is purpose in any religion.

Again, all IMHO.
 
Professor_Chris said:
Human lifespan in the Bible kinda dropped dramatically following the Deluge (which forever and dramatically changed the earth's climate).
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Indeed. God says soon after that the days of humans would be limited to ~120 years, and later, Jesus said that it would be 100 with strength, or 80 normally. So this would give rise to the ages we see today. With very very few living to ~120
 
ryanvergel said:
All you need to do is look at oil and dinosaur fossils to realize the earth is much, much older than any Creationist could argue for.
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Pffft, we all know that dinosaur fossils were placed here by the devil to challenge our faith. Oil was placed here by god for our use, therefore it's infinite :tongue:.

Just trying to inject a little relief in this thread, this is getting too serious.
 
Well religion is a hot button issue. But so far everybody has seemed to respect each others opinions. And we have had a pretty good discussion.
 
Lucario EX said:
Of course I realize that it's possible. I think it's true, so obviously I think it's possible.

I doubt that aliens landing would invalidate all religions, and Heaven and **** being a lie wouldn't mean there is no right or wrong.

If the world would instantly sink into corruption because one religious theory was proven false, it would have been getting there anyway.

I agree almost completely with RyanVergel. The concept of any afterlife is simply a way to make death easier to cope with. Religion is a way to convince yourself that you are doing the right thing, that there is a meaning to life, and that you understand the universe. I suspect many people would go insane without something to believe in, and it motivates people to at least try to do the right thing, so there is purpose in any religion.

Again, all IMHO.
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Sorry to ruin this for you, but as far as we know, its impossible for the universe to even exist with out a god. Even if there were aliens, that would still not prove the absence of God. If God, exists than religion
is far more than convincing your self that your doing the right thing.
 
Lucario EX said:
Of course I realize that it's possible. I think it's true, so obviously I think it's possible.

I doubt that aliens landing would invalidate all religions, and Heaven and **** being a lie wouldn't mean there is no right or wrong.

If the world would instantly sink into corruption because one religious theory was proven false, it would have been getting there anyway.

I agree almost completely with RyanVergel. The concept of any afterlife is simply a way to make death easier to cope with. Religion is a way to convince yourself that you are doing the right thing, that there is a meaning to life, and that you understand the universe. I suspect many people would go insane without something to believe in, and it motivates people to at least try to do the right thing, so there is purpose in any religion.

Again, all IMHO.
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Do you believe there is no meaning to life otherwise?
 
Sorry to ruin this for you, but as far as we know, its impossible for the universe to even exist with out a god. Even if there were aliens, that would still not prove the absence of God. If God, exists than religion
is far more than convincing your self that your doing the right thing.
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What? This is completely inaccurate and literally WRONG. As far as we know God is NECESSARY for the universe to exist? WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG.

Are you done lying yet?

Or maybe you have a logical proof for God, because EVERY PHILOSOPHER WHO HAS EVER LIVED has failed to come up with one. I'd love to see yours!
 
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