Alternative for Azelf LA? (Rotom UD)

[pokemandan]

But still would work in the same way, maybe slower because it uses up your supporter for the turn, but doing the job of Azelf.
However, its still slower and less reliant than Azelf

 

[baby mario]

Ah, but they're not unrealistic if someone believes it's a 100%, I should've probably said 99.99%. Also, if you're talking about more than one of my hypothetical example, you should understand by now they're a set up for a bigger explanation. What if it was 99.99%? What if it was 90%? What if it was 80%? 70%? Those aren't too big of leap from 100% for some people. I also never said you were "deeply embroiled in the financial wheeling and dealing of Pokemon cards", but that speculation affects you as well. Come time for next rotation are you going to keep your Luxrays so they can lose more than half their value? I bet you won't, barring you go to worlds or something. That's also not exactly 100% is it?

That's speculation though, isn't it?

Most probably will keep the Luxrays. I have never sold anything else that has been going out of rotation.

I'm proving that speculation does have reward, and is not entirely pointless. Because if that were true, then there's apparently just a bunch of lucky rich people who are all absolutely wrong. It would also mean the entire stock market is a bunch of whims and random guesses. :nonono:

Seems like it sometimes.

The more information we have, the more useful the speculation. Do we have enough info for useful speculation right now? I was saying no, we don't.

Also, you're the one that said speculation was pointless, any word you say about me being "off topic" is no different from your replies on the subject.

LOL . . . the original topic was 'alternatives to Azelf'. I realise I am off topic too.

So many games? What is that a figure from an even larger figure? Because I know it's not a percentage, it's true that with a bunch of 1 of's they're going to be prized, but you're not going to need them all the time or even most of the time.

Sorry, I don't have a graph and a link to complex maths formula. Obviously my experience playing the deck successfully in many tournaments is worthless.

Also, you're the one who brought up the point of Luxchomp being unplayable without azelf. Don't you mean feel guilty about starting? Not "prolonging"?

I feel guilty about feeding your desire for never ending hypotheticals and thus derailing the thread.

 

[Sabett]

But still would work in the same way, maybe slower because it uses up your supporter for the turn, but doing the job of Azelf.
However, its still slower and less reliant than Azelf

Just wanted to make sure you knew that. Also with all the canceling of powers, and things that can search out supporters, here comes team rocket could be better. Ever seen scott? I dont play though and have no idea.

Most probably will keep the Luxrays. I have never sold anything else that has been going out of rotation.

LoL, sounds terrible. You got me, you lose $60+ per luxray you have after rotation, and I'm wrong about you speculating, sounds like a fair trade. Also, trading those luxrays for something that will retain it's value after rotation, would still be speculation, in fact even more so since you're also speculating on even more card prices.

Seems like it sometimes.

You have no idea how economics work, all those people in college, books, professors, and stockbrokers, all studying a bunch of hogwash apparently, to you.

The more information we have, the more useful the speculation. Do we have enough info for useful speculation right now? I was saying no, we don't.

No, you said this:

Speculation is pretty pointless. There's a lot of cards to be released between now and the next rotation. Who knows? We may get something as good as Azelf or better than Lithograph and the price of both will drastically drop.

Besides we have practically all the information we need to start speculating, before any thought put into speculating, because it'll be pretty obvious. Prices will be fairly low when it initially comes out (barring hype from PRs), and then more than likely get a big bump after rotation. The only thing that would change this from happening is if in the next few sets released in japan would release something to replace azelf which would happen before the litograph even hit US shores, and if something would come out later in japan that would replace it, after litograph get's released, it would still retain a certain value because it would be the only azelf resource for cities and such. Speculation ahead of time tells us if we need to buy litographs now or later.

Sorry, I don't have a graph and a link to complex maths formula. Obviously my experience playing the deck successfully in many tournaments is worthless.

Oh? and how many games would you say that your luxchomp deck winning against the opponent hinged upon that azelf being searchable and grabbing that pokemon from the prizes? I bet it wasn't a whole lot at all compared to the games you won, which is what makes a deck top tier.

I feel guilty about feeding your desire for never ending hypotheticals and thus derailing the thread.

And there's no desire to feed it from yourself? Don't lie to me now, we're all friends here.

 

[baby mario]

LoL, sounds terrible. You got me, you lose $60+ per luxray you have after rotation, and I'm wrong about you speculating, sounds like a fair trade. Also, trading those luxrays for something that will retain it's value after rotation, would still be speculation, in fact even more so since you're also speculating on even more card prices.

Maybe I value the Luxrays in non-financial terms. As part of a collection? As something nice to keep, maybe?

You have no idea how economics work, all those people in college, books, professors, and stockbrokers, all studying a bunch of hogwash apparently, to you.

Nothing I said justifies that remark. I may or may not understand it. I simply said that sometimes it SEEMS like a bunch of random guesswork.

Besides we have practically all the information we need to start speculating, before any thought put into speculating, because it'll be pretty obvious. Prices will be fairly low when it initially comes out (barring hype from PRs), and then more than likely get a big bump after rotation. The only thing that would change this from happening is if in the next few sets released in japan would release something to replace azelf which would happen before the litograph even hit US shores, and if something would come out later in japan that would replace it, after litograph get's released, it would still retain a certain value because it would be the only azelf resource for cities and such. Speculation ahead of time tells us if we need to buy litographs now or later.

There's another 2-3 sets to be released this format that we know absolutely nothing about.

Oh? and how many games would you say that your luxchomp deck winning against the opponent hinged upon that azelf being searchable and grabbing that pokemon from the prizes? I bet it wasn't a whole lot at all compared to the games you won, which is what makes a deck top tier.

Wait . . . now YOU are telling ME what happened in my games? I guess once you have the speculation bug, you just can't stop.

And there's no desire to feed it from yourself? Don't lie to me now, we're all friends here.

No, Sabett. You clearly value the process of arguing endlessly over anything like friendship.

I think you will find the two are often mutually exclusive.

 

[Sabett]

Maybe I value the Luxrays in non-financial terms. As part of a collection? As something nice to keep, maybe?

And yet you have no interest in the financial side of pokemon? Collector's are the consumer's that would be most concerned with speculation and prices.

Nothing I said justifies that remark. I may or may not understand it. I simply said that sometimes it SEEMS like a bunch of random guesswork.

Given the large practice of it, and being an extremely large part of almost any economy, seems like it would be overwhelming obvious that it's not. People have doctorates from it, why did that seem like it was "a bunch of random guesswork" ?

There's another 2-3 sets to be released this format that we know absolutely nothing about.

2, there are 2 sets worth of cards we don't know about, and by the time the next set hits, we could very well know what all of those cards are. Japan's format ranges from 3-9 months ahead at a time. Also, there was a whole lot more in that quote you neglected to acknowledge.

Wait . . . now YOU are telling ME what happened in my games? I guess once you have the speculation bug, you just can't stop.

Then tell me, prove me wrong and tell me that even over 10% of your games were solely won because you were able to search out azelf. Even if you did have an outrageous number of wins because of azelf, that wouldn't prove anything, because it's still a rare occurrence that's barely even thought of.

No, Sabett. You clearly value the process of arguing endlessly over anything like friendship.

I think you will find the two are often mutually exclusive.

LoL, that had nothing to do with what I said. You said you feel guilty about feeding my "desire", and yet you continue to respond to me without even an apology for something you feel so guilty about. How remorseful. If you don't think you're feeding into your own desires by continuing to respond to me this way, then you're only lying to yourself.

 

[baby mario]

Just two things that show how very different our perspectives are:

And yet you have no interest in the financial side of pokemon? Collector's are the consumer's that would be most concerned with speculation and prices.

I mean in the sense of a private collection, not an investment collection. Memories, sentimental value, keeping cool stuff just because it's cool, not because of financial value. Can you understand that at all?

Given the large practice of it, and being an extremely large part of almost any economy, seems like it would be overwhelming obvious that it's not. People have doctorates from it, why did that seem like it was "a bunch of random guesswork" ?

It was obviously a throwaway joke about the market collapses. Not a full statement of my belief and knowledge.

Oh and I don't feel any guilt towards you I feel guilty for derailing the thread. I sincerely apologise to the OP and promise not to do it again.

 

[Sabett]

Just two things that show how very different our perspectives are:

I mean in the sense of a private collection, not an investment collection. Memories, sentimental value, keeping cool stuff just because it's cool, not because of financial value. Can you understand that at all?

It was obviously a throwaway joke about the market collapses. Not a full statement of my belief and knowledge.

Oh and I don't feel any guilt towards you I feel guilty for derailing the thread. I sincerely apologise to the OP and promise not to do it again.

:nonono: All right, I guess, for some strange and random "private collection" that keeps things for "sentimental value" that could be true, even though that's not really what the vast majority of collectors do... don't even think that would be considered a collector, but I guess technically it is.

Also, that was a pretty obscure and vague joke, but I guess...

LOL, why would I mean for you to apologize to me? And how sincere is an apology that the idea has to be brought up before doing so?

 

[tehmoe]

just run rotom with azelf. that way you azelf and you know whats in your prizes and can get them any time pretty much.

also the new alph lithogram will prolly be worth 20+ dollars, but not more than 50.

 

[DarthPika]

I would not use this card as long as Azelf is still in the format. It's just asking for bad things to happen.

 

[Rogue Archetype]

The issue is NOT one replacing the other.

The REAL concern one should have is, how do I fit them BOTH in the same deck

 

[DarthPika]

Yes, please do. More stuff to gunk up your bench. More easy prizes for me to snipe.

 

[Scipio]

Bit late, but when I compared the new Alph to Luxray X, it was more about how rare it'll be, and how rare PLAYABLE cards shoot up in price.
If Luxray and Uxie were in more favorable X-sets (For example SV, where you'd have gotten one in each 2 boxes instead of one in 3.5-4.5), they would've had some value shaven off of them. Luxray would probably be more in the 40-50 range, and Uxie 30-40.
Alph will be extremely rare. If it obtains semi-staple status, it WILL skyrocket in price.

 

[Snazzle-]

I pulled a Azelf and a RH Uxie in my first LA pack. :thumb:

 

[Trixster]

If you use a card that allow you to look at the top card of your deck you would know what card you swich out