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[Black Mamba]

Max out night maintenance. You'll need them, especially while playing a 1-1-1 line.

nooooonononono. Having a lot of experience with a deck SIMILAR to this one, 4 night maintenance are completely useless. You'll either have them early game when you don't need them at all, or they'll just be discarded with sally. 1-2 night maintenance is plenty, because most of the time, if you start to take out stuff with 150, you don't really need much else from your deck. That's the beauty of sally, once you take out a few charged up pokemon, theres not all too much they can do, especially if you're playing crystal beach. A 1-1 magneton line isn't very helpful either, I've made more use out of playing 2 mr. stones instead, however horrible that sounds.

Castform is not helpful in this deck in my opinion. It forces you to play a bagon that can be sniped by empoleon, and a shelgon with 10 less hp and a bigger retreat cost. Not to mention the PK bagon/shelgon share in that handy dandy resistance to fire/fighting (take THAT, T1 riolu!).

 

[B_B_C]

You only added the 1-1-1 line so that me and kyle would'nt say you stole this from some one.

 

[o-ren-itachi]

no i added the sally df and not only pk

 

[B_B_C]

no i added the sally df and not only pk

Thats why the deck won't work. Evan Mario will own this deck.

 

[o-ren-itachi]

how would sally df not workmit can do either 80nor 40 active and 40 bench

 

[Ardoptres]

i got some inspiration from people i know but here is my list

poke 23

4 Holon's Castform

4 bagon
2shelgon
3 sally ex pk
1 sally ex df

2-1-2 empoleon

2-2 altaria ex

trainers 23

1 night maintnence
4 mentor
2switch
4bebes
4 rare candy
3 windstorms
3 tvr
2 Copycat

enrgy 14

9 water
5 fire

Fixed.

 

[TheDarkTwins]

Hey,

Since, I go to where you most of you play as LL, I am just gonna say the following. If anyone myself included plays a deck at TWC we are making are decks public. If someone likes a deck enough to copy it that is saying something. Would I personally like my deck that I play at TWC to remain secret until the season begins. Sure. But, I cant get upset nor should any of the people saying that X person did since the person actually played in out in the public. I know personally, I would be upset. I actually can remember a time when a certian player got really upset because I took his Blaziken list from the gym changed a few cards (about 9) and then won a cities with it.

As for changes for this deck.

I am 100% positive you dont need Empoleon.

Why is Lake Boundry in here?? Your already doing 150, Is there something other than Torterra (possibly) that you wouldnt 1HKO. I actually cant think of anything other than that. Maybe Metagross Ex with a Metal but other than that I mean that should be dropped. I also agree that while holon castform isnt very helpful in this deck you need to play 1 for energy. It is searchable and can be very helpful in a tight spot. I would also go with a starter pokemon that can get basics. After that it looks like you need more draw. That is all the help I am gonna give on this.

And Please Remember what I said in the first part,

Drew

 

[Benlugia]

drew is so completely right.
dude, you pretty much went to league, watched certain games, then copied a deck while throwing in a 1-1-1 empoleon line in there (probably for the sole reason that it did so well at worlds). and then you posted it on the gym?
do you know why i help people like jconti (john), B_B_C (brian), Darkninja (kyle), and thedarktwins (drew)? its because they are nice, they don't get in my face, and they don't have to act like they are friends with me when they are ALREADY friends with me. they ESPECIALLY don't go around and copy a person's deck and then post a practically unplayable version on a public deck forum and say you got "inspiration" from it. i'm not saying change the list you posted. i'm not saying give credit to the people you got the idea from. i'm saying this thread shouldn't have even EXISTED. do you see what i mean? you bugged the heck out of me at league, along with a few other people. i'm not going to help people if they're gonna pester me. i'm sorry, but you're on your own.

 

[B_B_C]

drew is so completely right.
dude, you pretty much went to league, watched certain games, then copied a deck while throwing in a 1-1-1 empoleon line in there (probably for the sole reason that it did so well at worlds). and then you posted it on the gym?
do you know why i help people like jconti (john), B_B_C (brian), Darkninja (kyle), and thedarktwins (drew)? its because they are nice, they don't get in my face, and they don't have to act like they are friends with me when they are ALREADY friends with me. they ESPECIALLY don't go around and copy a person's deck and then post a practically unplayable version on a public deck forum and say you got "inspiration" from it. i'm not saying change the list you posted. i'm not saying give credit to the people you got the idea from. i'm saying this thread shouldn't have even EXISTED. do you see what i mean? you bugged the heck out of me at league, along with a few other people. i'm not going to help people if they're gonna pester me. i'm sorry, but you're on your own.

This is'nt the first time he copyed some ones deck. He copyed dark ninjas R-gon AFTER he won a Battle road, then he copyed my deck AFTER it won battle road.

 

[o-ren-itachi]

i never copied your deck brian and alex told me to make R-Gon because he had it and msn died to infernape. + my r-gon was completly dif then kyles i had 2 fly ex he had . i had gardy ex he didnt. he used - eggs i used 2-2 egs. i did not copy his deck at all. my list was not like his list and he didnt creaate it so it does not matter even if i did copy his deck

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and you used inernape. i would never use that deck i hate it. alex copied that not me.

 

[B_B_C]

i never copied your deck brian and alex told me to make R-Gon because he had it and msn died to infernape. + my r-gon was completly dif then kyles i had 2 fly ex he had . i had gardy ex he didnt. he used - eggs i used 2-2 egs. i did not copy his deck at all. my list was not like his list and he didnt creaate it so it does not matter even if i did copy his deck

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and you used inernape. i would never use that deck i hate it. alex copied that not me.

I over heard you and your mom talking about a swampert Ex deck then you said to her " But the delcattys are in my infernape deck". You did'nt play Gardy d ex til you saw another person playing it. How do I know this becasue you told me to look at your R-gon deck. Then the week after you were playing it

And I can't understand Anything you said about kyles r-gon deck. Besides I'll probly get in trould for going OT.

 

[Dark Ninja]

Adding a Gardy line didn't make it a different deck. Kind of like how adding an Empoleon line doesn't make a different, original deck. It't the same thing. And the real problem I have with you copying all these people's decks is that you do it behind our backs. If you had asked Drew or Ben, maybe they would have helped you. But because you sneak around and TAKE our ideas without telling us, we aren't exactly overjoyed to help you.