Another Mewtwo EX counter.
- Thread starter Kayle
- Start date
scattered mind
New Member
Can work great only with dce or gardvoir. Mewtwo ex is much faster
Swordfish1989
New Member
Seems to be good to KO Mewtwos but not much else. So you waste time powering up Cresselia just to KO a Mewtwo, but what else can Cresselia really KO? I feel like if you're going to power something up it should be able to either do a lot more damage, or be useful against a lot more Pokemon than just a Mewtwo. I would not run it.
victini3000
New Member
First turn you opponet a DCE and eviolite to Mewtwo EX , thats 80 damage right there , 90 HP left ... No way you can attach 4 energy or evole gardivoir on your first turn u attach evilite on active cresselia and ralts on bench . You pass , your opponet attaches another DCE to Mewtwo EX , 80 x2 = 160 - 20 = 140 = KO , then you basicly already loss . One way you can run Cresselia good is by running it in Gardivoir Mewtwo ... but u should only run like 1- 2 gardis
Kayle
Active Member
Hydreigon is a thing, guys...
Sigilyph is KO'd by Terrakion (and mewtwo/terrakion is not an uncommon combination). Cresselia actually laughs at Terrakion. And Terrakion EX, actually.
It's too bad that recovery between turns is only 10, but that's enough to push it out of the classic 90-per-turn 2HKO range, and that's pretty impressive in this format.
Sigilyph is KO'd by Terrakion (and mewtwo/terrakion is not an uncommon combination). Cresselia actually laughs at Terrakion. And Terrakion EX, actually.
It's too bad that recovery between turns is only 10, but that's enough to push it out of the classic 90-per-turn 2HKO range, and that's pretty impressive in this format.
Swordfish1989
New Member
Or you can use Hydreigon with Darkrai which has a much more useful ability (healing 10 from itself only? eh), a better attack, is resistant to psychic, and doesn't easily get Catchered and OHKO'ed by a Mewtwo.
vaporeon
Moderator
That and it will be impossible to kill in one hit unless they have a double catcher and mewtwo ex.
ProfessorJacob7
New Member
Kayle
Active Member
The advantage is Cresselia cannot be revenged by any current Mewtwo counters, including itself. It isn't an 'answer' to Mewtwo... it's a full stop.
ShuckleLVX
Active Member
If the Mewtwo has 4 Energy, Melotta can trade 2 for 1.
If the Mewtwo has 0 Energy, Melotta can trade 0 for 1.
If the Mewtwo has 4 Energy, Cresselia can trade 2 for 1, taking only 120 from the revenge Mewtwo/DCE... and then KO'ing it, making the trade 4 for 2.
If the Mewtwo has 0 Energy, Cresselia can trade 2 for 0, taking only 120 from the revenge Mewtwo/DCE... and then KO'ing it, making the trade 4 for 2.
So either you trade 2 for 0 (better than Melotta), or you trade 4 for 2 (same as running two Melotta, but only takes one card).
Cresselia can also be used to easily tank a hit if you need to stall a turn, surviving easily all but two attackers in the format (Raquaza EX, and Mewtwo, if you're just stalling a hit instead of attacking), and then healing it all off on the bench.
Is it the best thing on the planet? Not sure yet. Do I want to try it? Oh yeah, very much, been excited for it for months. Is it better than Melotta? I think so.
(Note that this is all for use in Darkrai/Hydreigon, the only place Cresselia is useful. I do agree that Melotta isn't a bad choice for other decks able to supply the Psychic energy)
If the Mewtwo has 0 Energy, Melotta can trade 0 for 1.
If the Mewtwo has 4 Energy, Cresselia can trade 2 for 1, taking only 120 from the revenge Mewtwo/DCE... and then KO'ing it, making the trade 4 for 2.
If the Mewtwo has 0 Energy, Cresselia can trade 2 for 0, taking only 120 from the revenge Mewtwo/DCE... and then KO'ing it, making the trade 4 for 2.
So either you trade 2 for 0 (better than Melotta), or you trade 4 for 2 (same as running two Melotta, but only takes one card).
Cresselia can also be used to easily tank a hit if you need to stall a turn, surviving easily all but two attackers in the format (Raquaza EX, and Mewtwo, if you're just stalling a hit instead of attacking), and then healing it all off on the bench.
Is it the best thing on the planet? Not sure yet. Do I want to try it? Oh yeah, very much, been excited for it for months. Is it better than Melotta? I think so.
(Note that this is all for use in Darkrai/Hydreigon, the only place Cresselia is useful. I do agree that Melotta isn't a bad choice for other decks able to supply the Psychic energy)
well I know for a fact that meloetta has been used successfully as a Mewtwo counter in Japan, their meta game is pretty close in alignment with ours. Cresselia is soooo subpar, it's ability has potential, yeah, but as a Mewtwo counter? With that energy cost? Are you rediculous? Mewtwo's already in pretty much every deck, blastoise will give it the ability to tank, and meloetta is a basic non-ex attacker that can be searched with level ball, required 1 energy, and can be splashed easily into almost any deck with little to no modification. I don't even understand how this is up for debate? And the worst part is is that if Mewtwo has an eviolite, you don't even get a guaranteed OHKO, and for that many energy, that's just not cutting it.
scattered mind
New Member
psychic
sychic: 20Does 20 more damage for each Energy attached to the Defending Pokémon.
but only 80 hp...
So you're not sure what meloetta does but you're saying its inferior to cresselia? At this point I think I'd be doing myself a favor come cities to not offer up an opinion.
and it's also definitely not the best Mewtwo counter. I hate to remind everybody but in almost every situation the best Mewtwo counter is Mewtwo. Meloettas advantage is surprise and effectiveness against decks like eels, Ho-oh, energy heavy decks etc. of course you're going to lose it, but who cares? being able to drop it out of nowhere can really mess up an opponent who is t expecting it.
Swordfish1989
New Member
Or they can simply wait a turn to Catcher KO your Cresselia since I don't think you'll be using Cresselia as a main attacker.
I'm not much of a fan of ex Pokemon as counters. It's very dangerous. If you're going to have a counter that only really counters 1 Pokemon, don't make it an ex.