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Austino's Texas States Report: DQ'd from Top Cut!

In case you are wondering about my feelings on the subject, It would have been a bad decision to throw all of us out, none of us out. or some of us out. There was no good decision. In my life I have never seen a bad decision by a pokemon judge, I have only ever seen some tough calls that I might have done differently. Pokemon rocks

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And also, I think the judges didn;t notice I hadn;t written down the Spiritomb deck set and number. I think they would have DQ'd me if they had.
 
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That may be true, but with the Warp Point one, there was the obvious discrepancy that was noticed and was allowed to be fixed and the trainer was still able to play.
 
You're exactly right. The fact that 2 were caught with errors on their list is fine, but with one who was allowed to fix it and another wasn't makes it very questionable.
 
but it is fair in the sense that the person who had there deck checked was allowed to correct their list, and the person who didn;t have their deck checked wasn;t? It seems if you get your deck checked, you can have a small error and they will let you correct it.
 
Wait, I'm not sure if I'm getting you right. Which Deck Check was he caught with the mistake? The one before the very first round, or the one before top cut?
 
The one before top cut. He got his deck checked when he got to the tournament. They didn;t notice he had written 61 cards down. WHen they notice3d it for the top cut deck check they allowed him to cross the warp point off his list,. If he hadn;t gotten his deck list checked when he got there, we can assume he would have been DQ's. Becasue he got it checked, he was allowed to fix it. Just as Austino probably would have been allowed to fix his list, if he had gotten it checked.
 
Austino, because you were DQ'd after the top cut was determined, the rules require a match loss to be recorded. If an official staff told you otherwise, they told you something that was incorrect.

You can appeal the match loss, and perhaps TPCi will approve -- though your opponent who got the bye will see a drop in premier points. The rating system is a zero-sum system -- when one player gains points, his/her opponent loses the same amount of points.
 
waynegg said:
This is actually a case of Legal Decklist, Legal Deck and is covered under 7.3.4 in the penalty guidelines. It is unfortunate, but as EVERYONE was pre-warned about it, the penalty can be escalated to Game Loss. As this was match play and not swiss, a game loss IS a DQ.
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Wrong. A GL doesnt equal a match loss in bo3. It simply means you would have a loss in game 1 of bo3.

Big difference from DQ.

I wasnt there and wont comment on whether this was a proper escalation of penalty or not. All I can say, the players were warned up front. I will keep my opinions on that to myself, unless the PTO and HJ want to discuss this in private.

Keith
 
Per the penalty guidelines, DQs are reserved for the most serious infractions.

Penalty Guidelines - 6.6 Disqualification said:
Disqualification is the most serious penalty that can be issued at a tournament. Its use should be strictly reserved for the most extreme cases, where a player's actions (whether intentional or unintentional) have significantly and negatively impacted the integrity or operation of the entire event.
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Whose action caused the negative impact? Was it the TO/HJ who allowed players to opt out, or was it the player who opted out? TO/HJs should never give options to players that might have a negative impact on their tournament. If they do, then by no means should the player assume the full-brunt of that risk.
 
Lawman said:
I wasnt there and wont comment on whether this was a proper escalation of penalty or not. All I can say, the players were warned up front. I will keep my opinions on that to myself, unless the PTO and HJ want to discuss this in private.

Keith
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Which is what some of us are debating. It's nice that TO/HJs allow opt outs, but the DQ caveat was unnecessary. Just because you announce something upfront doesn't relieve you of the risk you're assuming by not checking decks.
 
Lawman said:
Who ran TX states? I know Cook has the regional. Was it Birch then? Fish was noted as HJ. Just wondering.

Keith
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I was playing with my award winning Abomasnow / Honchcrow / Crobat deck and finished a respectable 4-3. By the way, I was the most beautiful person there.
 
What is the only state that lets 2/3 players with decklist errors play top cut and DQ the only "out of stater" with an error to avoid "being bias"? TEXAS STATES

I am entirely and utterly disgusted with the staff for that event (aside from Christine and Roy Sr) and will not be attending any events Fish will be in charge of.

Fish's entire reason for not letting me play was "to avoid being bias"....he really put his foot in his mouth there considering TWO Texans got to play with wrong decklists and no punishment. This tilts me so much.

I actually lost 12 points going 5-2 thanks to this crap.
 
Austino said:
Fish's entire reason for not letting me play was "to avoid being bias"....he really put his foot in his mouth there considering TWO Texans got to play with wrong decklists and no punishment. This tilts me so much.
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They had their deck checked at the beginning though...

the deal was, opt out of deck checks, if there is an error, DQ'd.

Looks like you were the only one who opted out with an error, bro
 
Austino said:
What is the only state that lets 2/3 players with decklist errors play top cut and DQ the only "out of stater" with an error to avoid "being bias"? TEXAS STATES.
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When I first read the opening to this thread and then viewed your credentials, this is exactly what I thought.

...and I'm glad it came out organically in the course of argument. They didn't want you taking their travel award back to OK.


rokman said:
They had their deck checked at the beginning though...

the deal was, opt out of deck checks, if there is an error, DQ'd.

Looks like you were the only one who opted out with an error, bro
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I can't abide by this. You're mindlessly goose-stepping behind a rule without considering its context and the decision to DQ. As stated by others in this thread, the DQ was heavy-handed and extreme.

This is not, 'you got what you deserved'. This player deserved better than he got.
 
SteveP said:
Which is what some of us are debating. It's nice that TO/HJs allow opt outs, but the DQ caveat was unnecessary. Just because you announce something upfront doesn't relieve you of the risk you're assuming by not checking decks.
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I hope I never make an error (in your eyes) that you feel it is necessary to post 30 or so times, repeating why said error was made, etc. I'm sure you have never made an error either.

All I was saying is this, let the HJ and PTO of the event speak (if they want too). By continuing to skin them alive w/o the other side being presented solves ZERO. Austin has the right to gripe, but he would make more points by submitting feedback on the event the official way....via his MPA/trainer acct. He can also email organized play.

By posting this, I am neither approving or bashing the escalation of penalty in this case. The guidelines say a legal list/legal deck warrants a warning at this level. Does a pre-event warning justify the escalation later?? That is a question that only OP can and will answer (most likely in private to the PTO and/or HJ, if they deem it was improper).

I will say this, I have worked with Fish before and he is a high level judge. Obv., he had the backing of the PTO of the event to announce this penalty.

Keith

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Team Cook said:
I was playing with my award winning Abomasnow / Honchcrow / Crobat deck and finished a respectable 4-3. By the way, I was the most beautiful person there.
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Thats a given that you were the most beautiful there! Congrats on a winning record btw.
 
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