who ever said that the guy was too "l33t" (unfunny, old) to declare his game action? he might have just not expected the kid he was playing to be a complete jerk and manipulate his way into a win. no matter how you look at it, it's illegitimate and the kid is a TERRIBLE player with TERRIBLE sotg.
Battle road misplays
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who ever said that the guy was too "l33t" (unfunny, old) to declare his game action? he might have just not expected the kid he was playing to be a complete jerk and manipulate his way into a win. no matter how you look at it, it's illegitimate and the kid is a TERRIBLE player with TERRIBLE sotg.
hitmonchan93
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^ you talking about me. If so what are you talking about?
ryanvergel
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Good luck doing that at worlds >_>
You don't have to declare your actions as long as it's clear what your intent was. The thing is: this kid KNEW what the opponent's intent was and STILL asked for a judge to exploit what his opponent said and use it against him. That's not very SotG at all.
the_sniper
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LAME !!
And way to show SOTG ( notes sarcasm) !
Does the term " rules lawyer" mean anything to you?
It should.
Remember, what comes around go's around........
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Always call the (right) attack/power before you perform the actions.
At BR we had a player call Happy Chance then perform the actions for Kind Egg. He received a warning, but his turn did not end, nor did he get a game loss, because of the slip.
I wasn't at the event discussed above and don't know what the judge there knows, so I'm not critiquing this decision one way or the other. Its just that the story reminds me of these things:
1) The rule book says to call your attack.
2) SotG implies the use of clear communication.
This case is a bummer, but add some of the above clarity, and it doesn't come to this.
And, if someone (not referring to R1K, because I don't know) is in the habit of NOT calling the attack, the odds are, some day when they can least afford it, just like a bad beat tail flip, the call is going to go the other way and all the post facto comments in the world are not going to retrieve that game.
Good habits, are well... good for ya!
At BR we had a player call Happy Chance then perform the actions for Kind Egg. He received a warning, but his turn did not end, nor did he get a game loss, because of the slip.
I wasn't at the event discussed above and don't know what the judge there knows, so I'm not critiquing this decision one way or the other. Its just that the story reminds me of these things:
1) The rule book says to call your attack.
2) SotG implies the use of clear communication.
This case is a bummer, but add some of the above clarity, and it doesn't come to this.
And, if someone (not referring to R1K, because I don't know) is in the habit of NOT calling the attack, the odds are, some day when they can least afford it, just like a bad beat tail flip, the call is going to go the other way and all the post facto comments in the world are not going to retrieve that game.
Good habits, are well... good for ya!
Cyrus
Iron Chef - Master Emeritus
Yeah, that's the impression I got when I heard about the "it's over" thing: on one hand, it's Shiftry's fault for not making it totally clear, but on the other hand, it wasn't something to get a judge involved in.
I've had a much more direct issue where I communicated to my opponent "I will end my turn" in the middle of shuffling (meant in the future tense). He then gave me the classic raised eyebrow, and with a confused expression quoted me back: "...'I will end my turn?!'" I then had a chance to explain to him that I meant future tense, but if he did draw his card, then I would've been in a similar situation to Shiftrymaster's, heehee.
I've had a much more direct issue where I communicated to my opponent "I will end my turn" in the middle of shuffling (meant in the future tense). He then gave me the classic raised eyebrow, and with a confused expression quoted me back: "...'I will end my turn?!'" I then had a chance to explain to him that I meant future tense, but if he did draw his card, then I would've been in a similar situation to Shiftrymaster's, heehee.
Rainbowgym
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What about you getting a warning for drawing a card without being allowed to?
Your opponent did not say either end of turn, or announced his attack. So what gave you the right to draw a card in HIS turn?
DarkMagnus
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Nail on the head! lets remember that we do have phases or steps to this game. next time your opp. shouldn't assume and always remember to declare the Attack name its damage then resolve other dmg effects. just to make sure every one clear on the Game state
ColdCoates90
Active Member
Yeah, its so easy to get those 2 mixed up. I found myself on multiple occasions almost saying the wrong one.
PSYCO829
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^exactly
at a few of my br's, i played lucario/rampardos, and got matched up against a person and a setup where i could have won t1 with riolu
guess what? i ended my turn
know why? BECAUSE ITS A BLOODY BATTLE ROAD
no one goes to a battle road to improve their ranking, the ONLY reason to go is to have fun, and go for the victory medal
i go to br's for fun, so t1ing my opponent would have robbed me of my own fun
seriously, its a br, did you really have to be such a BEGTHOY?
at a few of my br's, i played lucario/rampardos, and got matched up against a person and a setup where i could have won t1 with riolu
guess what? i ended my turn
know why? BECAUSE ITS A BLOODY BATTLE ROAD
no one goes to a battle road to improve their ranking, the ONLY reason to go is to have fun, and go for the victory medal
i go to br's for fun, so t1ing my opponent would have robbed me of my own fun
seriously, its a br, did you really have to be such a BEGTHOY?
vanderbilt_grad
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I agree 100%. Disgusting.
I made a similiar misplay against a Raichu/Vire deck at a BR. My opponent had 3 basic Lightning on Raichu, attached a double rainbow, then claimed to do 140 damage to Blissey by discarding all the energy. Not until after the game did I realize the attack says to discard "basic" lightning. I lost the game because I failed to read my opponent's attack. BTW, this player misplayed that same attack for 4 of the 5 swiss rounds before was made aware of the error.
Bottom line. If the attack appears to be over-powerful, it probably is. READ your opponent's cards if it's the first time you've seen that card!
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Either way, if your opponent wasn't scooping his cards, that's means he probably misunderstood where the effect resided.
SOTG does NOT involve ambiguous actions. Swampert's opponent made an ambiguous call, requiring the judge to make a ruling. Judges must make rulings based on the facts and the rules, NOT on SOTG "guidance." I'm not "badmouthing" SOTG. I'm just saying it doesn't come into play much when judges make rulings.
This is NOT a clearcut SOTG violation. More facts are needed to make that accusation.
Bottom line. If the attack appears to be over-powerful, it probably is. READ your opponent's cards if it's the first time you've seen that card!
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but some earlier versions of Tail Whip put the effect on the attacker, not the defender, right? Maybe the judge felt your opponent misunderstood this version of Tail Whip.
Either way, if your opponent wasn't scooping his cards, that's means he probably misunderstood where the effect resided.
SOTG does NOT involve ambiguous actions. Swampert's opponent made an ambiguous call, requiring the judge to make a ruling. Judges must make rulings based on the facts and the rules, NOT on SOTG "guidance." I'm not "badmouthing" SOTG. I'm just saying it doesn't come into play much when judges make rulings.
This is NOT a clearcut SOTG violation. More facts are needed to make that accusation.
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shiftrymaster68
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This is certainly one of the most interesting case of rulings I've ever seen in my long time of involvement in this game. So many variables go into the final decision in this that it's near impossible to find where things took a wrogn turn. I would have to agree with Steve.
Dark Weedle
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thats terrible sotg how horrible at a childrens card game do you have to be to pull that one
OK, so I play in a Battle Road instead of Judging...... Nice and relaxing.
I go up against this person and she starts with a lone magikarp. I start with a lone egg (grass type) I get 20 on it and have 1 damage counter on me with a potion in my hand. She top decks the Gyrados FTW. T3 Magikarp to Gyrados.....>>>> Not playing the potion.
Also heard of someone declaring Lucario's Lv. X's Stance and then telling the uninformed player on subsequent turns that Stance stood. The player playing LucX was very experienced.:nonono:
I go up against this person and she starts with a lone magikarp. I start with a lone egg (grass type) I get 20 on it and have 1 damage counter on me with a potion in my hand. She top decks the Gyrados FTW. T3 Magikarp to Gyrados.....>>>> Not playing the potion.
Also heard of someone declaring Lucario's Lv. X's Stance and then telling the uninformed player on subsequent turns that Stance stood. The player playing LucX was very experienced.:nonono:
phoenixback4fire
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My missplay was going 4-2 and my only loses were because i forgot my prizes ...both games in a row(after going 3-0)3-1...3-2... yah it was terible