Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

BDIF - Thunder/Kyurem/Deoxys ; Too Good; Needs Stopping.

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I personally like countering it by throwing some enhanced hammers and Driftblim into a Garchomp-Altaria deck. It forces them to pick between 3 potential threats and if they neglect to take down the Driftblim line it can easily get 3 OHKOs in a row. If they chase Driftloon down then that's some extra turn to set up your dragons, as well as using up their resources.

Doesn't necessarily win all the time but it's a fun match-up.
 
At the moment I playing my own personal list of Plasma Klinklang and I've come against 5 different Thundurus/Deoxys/Kyurem decks and so far I haven't loss. Despite all this hype that Thundurus/Deoxys/Kyurem is receiving, I have yet to see what so good about this deck other than it's theorymon. I'll post my list of Plasma Klinklang this afternoon (I live in Western Australia so that be about 3 am in New York when I post the list)
 
That must be an amazing plasmaklang. Betwern kyurem/snorlax I've demolished every plasmaklang (save one that I went into sudden death with) pretty bad.

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woodsy said:
That must be an amazing plasmaklang. Betwern kyurem/snorlax I've demolished every plasmaklang (save one that I went into sudden death with) pretty bad.

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Or really poor or unlucky plasma players. Klang is good..but plasma should be able to hit a few times with Thundurus, while filling up Kyurem/Snorlax to finish the team off.

Strange.
 
Here's my two cents. I've been playing TDK basically since the day the set was released (amazing pulls+birthday money=happy me) and my biggest foe has been darkrai hammers. I'm currently 4-5 against it between two battle roads and playing with friends. Blastoise is usually an easy match up, rayeels can be annoying but is by no means a huge problem, big basics is a walk in the park, I've only played one gothitelle deck and I beat it (though narrowly) and see my above response about plasmaklang. Do I think it's BDIF? No. Honestly I don't think there is one. I love how competitive this meta is. At any point, any teir 1 decks can beat any other teir one decks!

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woodsy said:
That must be an amazing plasmaklang. Betwern kyurem/snorlax I've demolished every plasmaklang (save one that I went into sudden death with) pretty bad.

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The funny thing about my list is that is includes 2 Sableye and 3 Prism Energy. I was tired one night before going to my local league and I thought it would be a good idea to stick Sableye in my deck to get back item cards I needed in stall games. I thought it would be a one time thing but since then it has really worked well for me so it's still in my list and I really love the prism energies as well as the enable me, on the odd occasion to use my Keldeo to wipe out Fire Pokemon counters. I'll be posting my list in one hour so you'll see my list pretty soon but before you judge me, you HAVE to try out the deck at at least two tournaments to see where I'm coming from.

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OK, here is my list of Plasma Klinklang:

Cobalion Ex x 4
Keldeo Ex x 2
Sableye x 2
Klinklang (BLW) x 2
Klinklang (PLS) x 2
Klang (PLS) x 2
Klink (MCD) x 2
Klink (PLS) x 2
Cobalion (NVI) x 2

Pokemon: 20

Computer Search x 1
Rare Candy x 4
Ultra Ball x 3
Heavy Ball x 3
Pokemon Catcher x 4
Professor Juniper x 3
Skyla x 4
N x 3
Float Stone x 2

T/S/ST: 27

Metal Energy x 10
Prism Energy x 3

Energy: 13

Like I said above, don't judge this list until you've played it for a substantial amount and as I said in my previous comment, I've beaten 5 DIFFERENT Thundurus/Kyurem/Deoxys lists.
 
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I dont know. I was playing Klinklang with my legendaries birds and got blown up by TKD. Killed my articuno ex on turn 2 and I had nothing else to do. It may have helped to draw a supporter but I still would have been down 4 prizes and 2 klinks. A deck full of basics that can do 70+ for 1 energy is just to fast for decks that need at least 1 turn to evolve anything.

Plasmaklang does not even wall TKD. With klangs 140 HP, a kyurem can KO it with the help of deoxys ex or laser and it cost them nothing to do it while it cost you time and resources. I took apart my deck and went with a different engine.
 
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I dont know. I was playing Klinklang with my legendaries birds and got blown up by TKD. Killed my articuno ex on turn 2 and I had nothing else to do. It may have helped to draw a supporter but I still would have been down 4 prizes and 2 klinks. A deck full of basics that can do 70+ for 1 energy is just to fast for decks that need at least 1 turn to evolve anything.

Plasmaklang does not even wall TKD. With klangs 140 HP, a kyurem can KO it with the help of deoxys ex or laser and it cost them nothing to do it while it cost you time and resources. I took apart my deck and went with a different engine.
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You had an unlucky game then and it also might have something to do with the way you played your deck. Another thing might be that you had an Articuno Ex in your deck and that is a horrible card for Plasma Klinklang.

Thinking about it now, Thundurus/Kyurem/Deoxys is kind of like Keldeo/Blastoise during Boundaries Crossed. It's only going to be a good deck before Plasma Blast comes out and once Plasma Blast comes out, It might as well be renamed the newest Quad Sigilyph since cards like Silver Mirror comes out, which utterly destroy decks like T/K/D and Genesect/Virizion
 
My deck was not a plasmaklang deck but used klinklang as a way to keep pokemon from dying and maintain energy. Klinklang is not good at that against that deck. I did go second but the risk is just not worth it. Even my tech in the deck did nothing against the deck.
 
I just don't see how plasma klang (regardless of techs) beats out TDK. TDK, as we've discussed, sets up incredibly fast. Blink and you might be facing off against a T1 Lugia even. The earliest Plasma Klang can start any sort of lock is T2. And even if you get Plasma Klang out, they still have other resources such as Kyurem and Snorlax to still dish out damage. I just don't see it as a threat; and having pokemon NOT covered by klang (Keldeo, Sableye) only makes it easier for me to pick out prizes.
 
rcxd999 said:
At the moment I playing my own personal list of Plasma Klinklang and I've come against 5 different Thundurus/Deoxys/Kyurem decks and so far I haven't loss. Despite all this hype that Thundurus/Deoxys/Kyurem is receiving, I have yet to see what so good about this deck other than it's theorymon. I'll post my list of Plasma Klinklang this afternoon (I live in Western Australia so that be about 3 am in New York when I post the list)
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Props to you for consistently beating what might be "the" most popular deck right now. Based upon the 5 Battle Roads tournaments' results I'm aware of, TDK decks were the most dominant of each top 4. TDK, aka Plasma Box, is no longer in the "theorymon" realm; it's very real and performing well.

From my personal experience in observing players running the deck, TDK will have several advantages over PlasmaKlang:

  • Ability to attack faster, as well as opportunities to KO Klink(s), as early as t1
  • Energy-attachment acceleration
  • Bench-sniping Poké
  • Lugia EX can be used early game to possibly KO "low" HP opponents' basics; so, they can easily get ahead in the prize count early game.
  • PF Kyurem can be used to inflict damage t1 (maybe till turn t3), setting up strategic opponents' Poke KOs
  • PS Snorlax can therafter 1HKO ANY Poké in the PlasmaKlang deck
I've only played against TDK so far and have a winning record against it (4-2) running Darkrai. IMHO, Kyurem and Snorlax are the deck's MVPs (Most Valuable Poké). Lugia EX can be dropped from hand, powered up, and start taking prizes 2 or 3 at a time.... TDK is a really good deck.
 
rcxd999 said:
You had an unlucky game then and it also might have something to do with the way you played your deck. Another thing might be that you had an Articuno Ex in your deck and that is a horrible card for Plasma Klinklang.

Thinking about it now, Thundurus/Kyurem/Deoxys is kind of like Keldeo/Blastoise during Boundaries Crossed. It's only going to be a good deck before Plasma Blast comes out and once Plasma Blast comes out, It might as well be renamed the newest Quad Sigilyph since cards like Silver Mirror comes out, which utterly destroy decks like T/K/D and Genesect/Virizion
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...have you even read the results from the battle carnival in Japan? They're using Megalo cannon onwards and plasmabox is still performing quite well. Not the utter dominance like before, but still really good. Plasmabox will in now way be dead after Plasma Blast. And two words about Silver Mirror: Tool scrapper. Also I'm not understanding the comparison to Blastoise/keldeo considering that deck is no where near dead.

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Rcxd9999, Plasma Klinklang does NOT beat TDK. If you have won, based ESPECIALLY on your list you provided, the players you have played may be considered a horrible test partner, or their list were so bad they couldn't setup.
 
I don't think TDK is anywhere near unbeatable. I've used it the past two weekends at league and my results are not very great.

1-0 Mirror
1-0 Darkrai
1-0 Reshilure
1-0 Mewtwo Eels
1-0 Empoleon
0-2 Blastoise
0-1 Rayeels

I did go second in all three loses, and also started with Deoxys all three times, which probably had something to do with it. One thing is for sure though, if you start with Kyurem+Colress Machine+Energy and you get a Deoxys or two out early, it's tough to stop.
 
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Mekkah said:
You played three non-mirror games against actual good decks and draw conclusions based on that? o_o
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I've played dozens of games against Big Basics,Darkrai,Blastoise,and Rayeels outside of league, but my competition isnt as skilled. It loses to Blastoise quite a bit, and Darkrai if I get a bad start.
 
In Southern California it's pretty crazy. Non-Plasma decks seem to be doing the best. The three Battle Roads I've been to all had Darkrai winning, I believe this is how it shook out:

1st: Darkrai EX/Absol/Mewtwo EX
2nd: Mewtwo EX/Tornadus EX/Garbodor

1st: Darkrai EX/Absol/Mewtwo EX
2nd: Gothetelle/Accelgor

1st: Darkrai EX/Absol/Mewtwo EX
2nd: Darkrai EX/Absol

Gothetelle/Accelgor, Blastoise, Plasma Klingklnag, Big Basics, and Big Basics w/Garbodor seem to be getting played the most in the area. There are some Plasma decks but they are doing no where near as well as I was expecting.
 
The problem is very few people have had the money/resources to make true good plasmabox. Everyone's results differ. Those on here who have it have killed with it, those who don't say it gets killed. Fact of the matter is there is no BDIF. Any deck can beat any deck. And another thing to think about, it matters more whos piloting the deck then whats in it. I've only been playing for a year but I've studied the ins and outs of this game like crazy. I've ran plasmaklang, blastoise, mewtwo/bouffalant, big basics, quadlax, lugioxys, and PB. My favorite by far is PB. I've had great success with it, but I also like to think I'm an above average player. (x point is though, every person is good with different decks. I've ran three darkrai hammers variations and guess what? IM TERRIBLE WITH DARKRAI. Like sweet heavens above I'm terrible. So see? You could have a bunch of guys who see "oh bdif! Imma make it hurr durr" and have no clue how to run it. No matter what, I think this meta has so many options its scary. And the only thing that's for certain is that this years worlds will be interesting. /endrant/

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The BDIF is NEVER weakness free. The BDIF basically means it has the best answers for most things while maintaining a consistent strategy.
 
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