Black and White rules out of the box

[DptyMewtwo]

sorry this may be a stupid question, but the rule that is stating (However, it is still the case that neither player may Evolve Pokémon on the first turn.) Is this effecting Broken Time Space? Sorry I know kinda of a dumb question but if the rules change with this still legal I just want clarification?

 

[PokePop]

That's not a rules change.
That has always been the rule.
That has nothing to do with BTS working or not.
BTS is not normal evolution.

 

[The Oldies (a.k.a BJFR)]

LOL.....I just made off with the three amigos....and they aren't legal for weeks......

 

[Xicious]

Aikira, this pic of an Expedition PETM would disagree with you. Expedition was the first set with Supporters.

I forgot how ugly the e-reader cards looked...

 

[Suicide]

Once again i find myself unsurprised that the best cards never get put into the set they're supposed to be in.

 

[pokemaster1970]

Let's not dodge a major issue with many of us PokeDads and collectors out there. There is a MAJOR financial shortfall if a mid-season rotation is announced just 3 weeks before Nationals or Worlds. We won't be able to get aything back for the cards we invested in, and Pokemon expects us to keep shelling out money for crap sets like COL, and incomplete sets like the upcoming B&W. In case TCPI didn't notce, the World economies are going through miserable times right now, and Pokemon cards will be the first thing households get rid of to maintain other aspects of their life.

All we want is consistency. Not a seven set rotation one year, no rotation another year, a mid-season rotation to bail out all the dumb ideas TCPI comes up with another year. That's why Pokemon will always be #3 on the TCG Gaming chart behind Yuh-Gi-Oh and MTG. Pokemon attracts kids more than any other TCG, but kids (and parents) get driven away quickly when we see just how flawed the game has become. Isn't there a reason why more adults play MTG and Yuh-Gi-Oh than Pokemon? We parents are the ones footing the bills here, not the nine and ten year old kids Pokemon markets their cartoons and toys to.

 

[niimou]

All we want is consistency. Not a seven set rotation one year, no rotation another year, a mid-season rotation to bail out all the dumb ideas TCPI comes up with another year. That's why Pokemon will always be #3 on the TCG Gaming chart behind Yuh-Gi-Oh and MTG. Pokemon attracts kids more than any other TCG, but kids (and parents) get driven away quickly when we see just how flawed the game has become. Isn't there a reason why more adults play MTG and Yuh-Gi-Oh than Pokemon? We parents are the ones footing the bills here, not the nine and ten year old kids Pokemon markets their cartoons and toys to.

Here's an idea: we play when Japan plays. We get everything after them anyway, so we'd know it was coming, but at the same time we would avoid all of these sticky situations.

 

[waynegg]

Does anyone have any info on the Emboar with the Ability? Is the PokeBeach correct?

 

[Porii Sames]

^What's the question?

 

[Cetra]

^What's the question?

Is the new emboar properly translated on pokebeach...

Was it REALLY that hard?

 

[SPIRE_FAN]

I think it's a smart move on TPCi's part. They can release a set with cards people want for collecting and playing purposes, and then release another that will be valuable to collectors and players alike in just a few months.

It's better for the format, too. I'm happy about it.

Yeah. you say that now...we'll see.

Trainers first turn+Supporters first turn+Sableye=worst rule ever.

amen

Move damage to Unown Q, attach Unown Q to Pokemon discarding damage counters, Use Mismagius Power to remove Unown Q, Bench Unknown Q. Rinse, repeat.

wow. i myself can't wait to run damage swap jello dude. (im gonna buy 4 when released) and i never thought about that

Is the new emboar properly translated on pokebeach...

Was it REALLY that hard?

dude. he is just asking a question. lay off.

Let's not dodge a major issue with many of us PokeDads and collectors out there. There is a MAJOR financial shortfall if a mid-season rotation is announced just 3 weeks before Nationals or Worlds. We won't be able to get aything back for the cards we invested in, and Pokemon expects us to keep shelling out money for crap sets like COL, and incomplete sets like the upcoming B&W. In case TCPI didn't notce, the World economies are going through miserable times right now, and Pokemon cards will be the first thing households get rid of to maintain other aspects of their life.

All we want is consistency. Not a seven set rotation one year, no rotation another year, a mid-season rotation to bail out all the dumb ideas TCPI comes up with another year. That's why Pokemon will always be #3 on the TCG Gaming chart behind Yuh-Gi-Oh and MTG. Pokemon attracts kids more than any other TCG, but kids (and parents) get driven away quickly when we see just how flawed the game has become. Isn't there a reason why more adults play MTG and Yuh-Gi-Oh than Pokemon? We parents are the ones footing the bills here, not the nine and ten year old kids Pokemon markets their cartoons and toys to.

I agree 100%

 

[Paperfairy]

All we want is consistency. Not a seven set rotation one year, no rotation another year, a mid-season rotation to bail out all the dumb ideas TCPI comes up with another year. That's why Pokemon will always be #3 on the TCG Gaming chart behind Yuh-Gi-Oh and MTG. Pokemon attracts kids more than any other TCG, but kids (and parents) get driven away quickly when we see just how flawed the game has become. Isn't there a reason why more adults play MTG and Yuh-Gi-Oh than Pokemon? We parents are the ones footing the bills here, not the nine and ten year old kids Pokemon markets their cartoons and toys to.

Hate to be THAT guy, but I'm almost damn near positive Pokémon is the 2nd place TCG. Also, give TPCi some credit - they WANTED to do a four set rotation from now on, and then Japan pulled this **** out of their *** from nowhere. :/

 

[Pittsburgh Steelers]

Machamp had some early growth spurt.
Gyarados got angry and evolved at level 1 then shot his laser.
Gengar gambled and lost all of the trainers.
LuxChomp just said... Ehhh... Whatever. I'm good as always.
Sabledonk just became TOO overconfident.

Welcome to the 21st century everyone.

 

[eriknance]

Let's not dodge a major issue with many of us PokeDads and collectors out there. There is a MAJOR financial shortfall if a mid-season rotation is announced just 3 weeks before Nationals or Worlds. We won't be able to get aything back for the cards we invested in, and Pokemon expects us to keep shelling out money for crap sets like COL, and incomplete sets like the upcoming B&W. In case TCPI didn't notce, the World economies are going through miserable times right now, and Pokemon cards will be the first thing households get rid of to maintain other aspects of their life.

All we want is consistency. Not a seven set rotation one year, no rotation another year, a mid-season rotation to bail out all the dumb ideas TCPI comes up with another year. That's why Pokemon will always be #3 on the TCG Gaming chart behind Yuh-Gi-Oh and MTG. Pokemon attracts kids more than any other TCG, but kids (and parents) get driven away quickly when we see just how flawed the game has become. Isn't there a reason why more adults play MTG and Yuh-Gi-Oh than Pokemon? We parents are the ones footing the bills here, not the nine and ten year old kids Pokemon markets their cartoons and toys to.

Think about the rotation Japan went through for a moment. They went through a TRUE mid-season rotation and cut an additional 4 sets more than we would if we went HGSS-on. So it's kind of funny to hear people complain about a mid-season rotation when Japan just went through an even more severe overhaul of the game. The reason they did it was to maintain the health and integrity of the game. I too would lose a lot of cards in the process, but I would accept it and enjoy it more in the long run. Plus, a card rotation has to occur sometime, right?

I've also been anticipating some kind of move for some while, actively trading for HGSS-on cards at tournaments in case P!P does go through with a mid-season rotation. While I know people would lose cards and be upset, it's actually pretty unexpected for sets like LA and SF to even be in our current format anyway. If you've been playing this game for awhile, you should understand that a rotation is inevitable and be thankful that your LA/SF cards are even legal right now. And if you just recently got into the game, I'm sorry that you had to go back like 10 sets to find any good cards. Also, it looks like the Japanese rotation was abrupt and completely unexpected, so I see how this has been a difficult pill for TCPI to swallow.

I do agree with what you said about the consistency of rotations. I would prefer a simple decision by P!P to stay in line as much as possible with Japan's format. It would help preserve the health of the format while giving people a reliable way to foresee changes in the game.

 

[Blue Blur]

Ah, I have to ask but just how viable is the Sabledonk deck when it cannot spam the Pluspowers? Yes, it can steal the first turn of the game...but if you start with something else, say Uxie, and they go first with Collector...?

I cannot see it winning if that happens. In which case the game is indeed decided by a flip? P!P must have capped the donking with that rule change so well done to them on that one.

 

[sentimentGX4]

Hate to be THAT guy, but I'm almost damn near positive Pokémon is the 2nd place TCG. Also, give TPCi some credit - they WANTED to do a four set rotation from now on, and then Japan pulled this **** out of their *** from nowhere. :/

I'm somewhat confident Pokemon is actually the #1 TCG by a wide margin. Just look to Walmart or Target and observe which game they stock most heavily. It's merely that the competitive environment is nonexistent. Most Pokemon players are collectors first.

 

[jalkan]

What would happen with ERL?
would it thunderfall for everything with bodies as well?

 

[Ring-of-Magma]

What would happen with ERL?
would it thunderfall for everything with bodies as well?

ERL would not change, as it has no reason whatsoever to change. It has affected pokemon with powers before, and always will. Not sure why you're bringing bodies into this, as bodies and powers are completely unrelated to the BW set and change of game mechanics.

 

[SLOW DECK]

Great Ball
Look at the top 7 cards of your deck. You may reveal a Pokémon you find there and put it into your hand.
Shuffle the other cards back into your deck.

Changes: This card works very differently now; it can no longer search the entire deck for a Pokémon and put it directly onto the Bench.

Not a big deal, but why didn't they just re-release - MASTER BALL? I have 20 of them in my old trainer box waiting to be called into service again.

 

[Lawman]

Let's not dodge a major issue with many of us PokeDads and collectors out there. There is a MAJOR financial shortfall if a mid-season rotation is announced just 3 weeks before Nationals or Worlds. We won't be able to get aything back for the cards we invested in, and Pokemon expects us to keep shelling out money for crap sets like COL, and incomplete sets like the upcoming B&W. In case TCPI didn't notce, the World economies are going through miserable times right now, and Pokemon cards will be the first thing households get rid of to maintain other aspects of their life.

All we want is consistency. Not a seven set rotation one year, no rotation another year, a mid-season rotation to bail out all the dumb ideas TCPI comes up with another year. That's why Pokemon will always be #3 on the TCG Gaming chart behind Yuh-Gi-Oh and MTG. Pokemon attracts kids more than any other TCG, but kids (and parents) get driven away quickly when we see just how flawed the game has become. Isn't there a reason why more adults play MTG and Yuh-Gi-Oh than Pokemon? We parents are the ones footing the bills here, not the nine and ten year old kids Pokemon markets their cartoons and toys to.

Japan produces the cards. TPCi has to deal with the fallout the best they can. Also remember, for OP purposes, the world plays according to our rules. Japan's tourneys are not run exactly the same as we do. Likewise, they dont always play 60 card decks for tourneys, they have more half deck events. Just saying!

Keith