Blissey + Magmortar

Discussion in 'Cards: Strategy and Rulings Discussion' started by vanderbilt_grad, Nov 14, 2007.

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  1. vanderbilt_grad

    vanderbilt_grad New Member

    I've seen a handful of posts where folks were talking this combo up ... and so I tried it out today.

    Frankly I wasn't impressed. What is the syngergy? Sure you can slowly build some energy on a Mags until he is KOed and then you have something in the discard for Bliss ... but is that it? I was able to get pokemon built fairly easily and dig my energy out fine. But I was fustrated by the energy attachment since both cards need a fair amount to be successful.

    Is there more to this that I'm missing?
     
  2. (TYranitarFReak)

    (TYranitarFReak) New Member

    i've tested it, and i feel the same. The synergy between them is < mario
     
  3. B_B_C

    B_B_C New Member

    Well blissy can't hit the bench. And magmortar(SW) can? I dunno.....
     
  4. Mew*

    Mew* Active Member

    Exactly what I want to know. I don't know what all of this hype of Magmortar is. It is a very mediocre card. Blissey shouldn't be wasted on a a completely irrelevant card that doesn't combo well.

    Apparently not. I wish there was. I mean, both Pokemon are energy hogs, and unlike Electivire, the energy can't be shared between the Pokemon. Arcanine is another one where it can share eneryg, but I don't like how Arcanine's HP goes down to 60 after attacking just once >_<


    I think Magmortar is just one of those cards that new players look at and say, "WOW! This thing PWNS!!!"
    I mean, when I saw Quagsire TRR, I being a new, young, uncompetitive, and inexperienced player that said, "WOW! That is sick!!!" (Quagsire is VERY similar to Magmortar in both attack and PokeBody)
     
  5. fchangus2

    fchangus2 New Member

    I'm just guessing here, but maybe you start with Magmortar to build up some damages on the bench so that it'll be easier for Blissey to KO later??
     
  6. Mew*

    Mew* Active Member

    Yeah, but doesn't that attack take three energy? That is a lot without acceleration.
     
  7. vanderbilt_grad

    vanderbilt_grad New Member

    I thought about the damage spread ... but it takes 3 energy to do it! In my test games that first Mags rarely lasted long enough to get 3 energy and if he did then he went down the next turn. In *theory* one could use a single fire energy and then a Boost to get the 2nd attack ... but I never really wanted to do that. Seemed like a wate of a good boost energy.

    Edit: ninjaed by Mew*
     
  8. Prime

    Prime Content Developer<br>Blog Admin<br>Contest Host

    On first thought, I don't see any synergy between the two decks other than them both being stage 1's. They don't cover their weakness, magmortar doesn't do anything from the bench to help Blissey. And I guess your testing has shown the same thing.

    You gotta realize that people are just tossing out the first idea that pops into their head. That is where Empoleon/Lucario, Blissey/Lucario, and this deck comes from. Easy answers. And easy answers usually don't pay off in the end.
     
  9. Rai

    Rai <a href="http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=

    Wrong attack on Magmortar. Very wrong attack that you're looking at. One of them's only decent, the other's actually quite good.

    And at least this gives Blissey a good reason to use Holon FF and Fire :/

    I think the idea is "Oh my, two good stage 1 pokemon, both with high HP and great attacks, both who's weaknesses don't make them one shotted by anything unless there's a Lake Boundary in play, they have to be good together!"
    I think this reasoning also comes from Lucario Blissey, which does good for some rather random reason. At least Magmortar only needs 1 basic fire energy to do it's good attack. Lucario needs 2 fighting energy in some form to use it's good attack, and Lucario doesn't like DRE, as it makes the good part of Lucario almost worthless. ://

    The whole "Attach 3 energy to do Magmortar's good attack! :D" is where the problems come in. Plenty good combo until you hit that snag. Blissey can do great with it's own attack and just having energy in the discard. But at some point, Magmortar has to be powered up. At least Typholosion can help with this in real Magmortar decks. Blissey's... Uh... Energy Switching? :/
     
  10. Mew*

    Mew* Active Member

    And one more problem with the three energy is that DRE would kill the damage output. With one DRE and a regular fire energy attached, the attack would only do 30 to the defending Pokemon and a mere 10 to up to two of the benched Pokemon. =/ not so hot

    Back to back posts merged. The following information has been added:

    Problem with Typlosion/Blaziken:

    1.They are Stage 2
    2. They only attach energy to benched Pokemon
    3. Attaching energy from the discard rather than the hand doesn't allow for Magmortar's PokeBody to work

    I am not convinced that Magmortar is a good card. Nope. The proper synergy just isn't there to make an effective deck. Sorry if I come of a bit arrogant. I am just being realistic.
     
    Last edited: Nov 14, 2007
  11. vanderbilt_grad

    vanderbilt_grad New Member

    I had the same thoughts about DRE ... heck I even thought about Scrable ... but it just didn't seem very effective given how fast Blissey is.

    I can see a Typhlosion / Delcatty / Magmortar deck working power wise, but that just seems like it's begging to have it's setup disrupted.
     
  12. Let Fire Fall

    Let Fire Fall New Member

    Yeah, it's not a combo. People just aren't creative to come up with anything else besides Blissey + *insert random card here*
     
  13. Rainbowgym

    Rainbowgym Active Member

    Blissey doesn't need any help she can run very good without.
    And if there is a "need" for a combi, me don't think Magmortar is the one.
    I also looked at it and dissed it, it slows down Blissey.

    Magmortar with Typhlosion/Blaziken is a fine combination.
    And Yes Blissey can be inserted in any deck as a filler, but why should you if there are cards who give more synergy.
     
  14. SLOW DECK

    SLOW DECK New Member

    I agree, the build that i had there isn't much synergy other than the fire energy, and the tank.

    Magmotar is really just a different tank, and can deal out just as much damage.
     
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2007
  15. Flareon

    Flareon New Member

    I think the hype was that you basically had a second "Blissey", allowing you to keep to the same strategy without 10 mulligans and a mono weakness.
     
  16. SPARTA

    SPARTA New Member

    The combo is two powerful Stage Ones with the ability to tank, take alot of damage, and deal alot of damage out. With Plusle and Minun in the deck, they have the ability to quickly recover and deal out alot of damage in an extremely short amount of time. THAT is the basic idea about the deck. I am not defending the deck or saying whether it is good or bad, my own personal testing has already confirmed this answer; I am simply explaining the deck's general idea to you.
     
  17. Darkwalker

    Darkwalker New Member

    I think Magmortar should probably be paired with something else to abuse Scramble. Blissey doesn't do that well, it also doesn't attack quickly for little energy (you want to keep piling energy on the Blissey) so you can't power up a Magmortar on the bench while Blissey goes to town. While I think the SW Magmortar is a better overall card than Arcanine, it just doesn't fit as well. For that matter, I think Arcanine could be paired with Magmortar much better than Blissey would.
     
  18. ~`Flygon`~

    ~`Flygon`~ New Member

    Magmortar has NO synergy with Blissey,both should just be played straight. dump truk I dont even like that much. I tested Magmortar straight with Vapereon*/Buffers/Potion/SSUs and it worked fine. Doing 100 to any poke and being able to heal yourself is nice.

    Either you dont play TRUK/Volcano together or your play them Straight,only choices I see between them.
     
  19. Luxatos

    Luxatos <a href="http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=

    Hmm. That Quagsire is also a card that I took to 3rd place at Missouri States.

    I think Magmortar/Blissey has potential much like my Quagsire/Jumpluff deck did back then. Not as a combo, but as two very good Pokemon with different weaknesses that can use the same energy, and can each survive long enough to win a war of attrition.
     
  20. Dark Umbreon

    Dark Umbreon New Member

    Do not see a real nice combo between these two cards other than the fact that both could be tanks. Magmortar is a nice card and combines real well with the new Blaziken released in DP4. It is a much more effective sniper deck with Magmortar as the second line and Blaziken as the dominant on in the start. Include some Cessation Crystals and that team can turn into a beast. Much like Blissey the new Blaziken can charge resources from the discard and thus fuel himself or a benched Magmortar ready to take over for two to three turns once the first Baliken died and left two to three injured defenders on the battelfield. Also run some Scrambles for good measure in this deck.
     

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