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i donked 3/4 of my games (sorry guys!) and went undefeated FTW
ahhh my first victory medal...

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People not to stop acting like everything happening is a donk. I've had a couple donks, but I've had many great games as well. The format is fairly balanced.

SHHHHH!!! Are you trying to donk us!?!?
 
Played in Charlotte, NC today. Played Gyarados. Donked round four, person never got a turn. Got Donked on top four once. Donked game two of top two.

Also, in top two, game one, I pull out a gyarados doing ninety, and power locked via Mesprit. On turn one. Ridiculous.
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Also, in top two, game one, I pull out a gyarados doing ninety, and power locked via Mesprit. On turn one. Ridiculous.

But you didn't donk, and you didn't do it with Sabledonk. (Thanks by the way for mentioning this).

To all the players talking about the current format being balanced, this is exactly what is wrong with the game! Does this sound like a balanced format where a person winning the coin flip can land 90 damage in a single turn with power locking? What if the other person wins the coin flip and does the same thing? Then, in essence, a great deal of the game's outcome can come down to a coin flip. So even with Sableye completely out of the picture, the turn 1 trainers in combination with such speedy cards creates an unbalanced format.

Also, if you're going to BR's and you end up playing "fun" decks and think that the format is balanced, you can guess again on that notion when you get to Nats. People won't be playing fun decks, they'll be playing their competitive best. And with the MD-BW format, the "best" is speed (that or hoping you can get a turn 1 Spiritomb every time). I honestly don't understand why I'm even writing this out, it seems like people would call the game "balanced" if everyone just sat down and literally flipped a coin to determine the winner. :confused:
 
I didn't run into any Sabledonk decks at my BR today. Didn't mean donks didnt happen. My friend's Reshiboar was donked with an ambipom g, and I donked a lone magikarp with 3 flash bites. I played Zekrom/Luxray GL and did surprisingly well with it (Top 4). Here's the deck list if you want to take a look: http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=148251. I hear Sabledonk was much more rampant in Juniors and Seniors. Masters was filled with Sablelock, Luxchomp, Magneboar, Gyarados, Reshiram, Zekrom, Lostgar, and a couple rogues.

In case you're interested, the final four top cut were Luxchomp, Gyarados, Magneboar, and Zekrom. Luxchomp and Gyarados battling it out in the finals.
 
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Battle road today had an all-time low of 16 players... between ALL the divisions. Only had one senior show up. :/
Masters top two came down to Gyarados (With Sableye) versus LuxChomp (with Sableye). Oh look, two sableye decks again. -_-; Unfortunately I couldn't stick around to see who won.

In our area we've gone out of our way to avoid playing straight Sabledonk. Not a single one, to my knowledge, the whole BRs. Still we manage to have a barely disguised donkfest, with any deck running Sableye in any number likely to make top cuts. This is getting silly.
 
Played Masters in BRs this weekend, didn't get donked once and I did not donk anyone either. From what we were discussing at the end, there were very few donks overall in the tournament; literally only a couple. The shortest game I had I couldn't get a basic and lost on turn 3 to a Luxchomp, and my match was the first one to finish for at least another 5-10 minutes that round.

I had a lot of fun
 
I had 5 games today last litterally less than 20 seconds... I was not playing sabledonk but a mix of that and G-Dos... I donked with the uxie, the sableye, and the g-dos turn one for 110 and a 3 crobat drops... It is not so much fun...
 
Then, in essence, a great deal of the game's outcome can come down to a coin flip.

Mike and I played in round 1. I had Skitty active with fire energy and E-Belt in hand, to his lone Magikarp. He went first and survived. Perhaps the whole tournament came down to the coin flip. In essence, you're right.

Also, I got donked by an opponent who started with Bronzong G.... That was a first...
 
If BTS goes away, just think about how overpowered sp, and even worse Arceus would become! T1 six energies to everything

7 energy, you're forgetting the one you get to attach for your turn ;)
also, if you look at my decklist, Arceus can Donk now with Pachirisu. just straight AR5, psybolt lv X, Pachirisu, and Crobat G. Donkceus. snipe for 80 T1? sweetness. if I had more than just 1 Psybolt Arceus and 3 Pachirisu.. it's what I would run @ BR's.

so, the pokemon that got alot of flack the whole time it was out, being able to Donk now? that in it of itself shows the format is kinda broken.
 
Don't try and make it sound like only mediocre players are playing sable donk. I have seen a lot of higher caliber players playing it. They are getting just as many wins with it as mediocre players.

What you consider a high calibur player and what I consider a high calibur player is 2 different things. Clearly you have no clue what you're saying when it comes to this.

Getting donked sucks. Getting donked by a scrub? Even worse. Thats why I only played 2 BRs. got donked outta cut both times. lame.
 
Don't try and make it sound like only mediocre players are playing sable donk. I have seen a lot of higher caliber players playing it. They are getting just as many wins with it as mediocre players.

That's not what I was saying at all.

Anyone, from the elite player to the lowliest scrub can, and will, win matches with Sableye donks (not necessarily with a dedicated Sabledonk list either).

That's the problem.
 
Alot of people don't realize sabledonk isn't as autopilot as you might think.

Not only am I talking about the build (which can vary greatly between "the lowliest scrub and the elite player"), but there are many things that need to be done the proper order.

Sure, it won't make a difference most of the time. But a better player will win with it more often then the scrub.
 
wow who ever uses sabledonk is sad! Your giving pokemon exactly what they want! I like the format as we speak it's fast and liable! Makes any deck better.
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wow who ever uses sabledonk is sad! Your giving pokemon exactly what they want! I like the format as we speak it's fast and liable! Makes any deck better.
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I don't see how anyone can like this format. It's an unbalanced speed fest. Gyarados, thanks to these new Black and White rules, is a seriously unbalanced deck. Anything that can pull a turn 1 90 damage, with power lock, is simply disgusting. Heck, it can go as far as to pull off 110-130, depending on Super Scoop flips, Poke Turns, an Expert Belt, and the like. And, they can do that WITHOUT energy. And, they can abuse Sableye, as well as donk with it.

I have to ask, do you, or anyone for that matter, want a format that, as erik/tinox pointed out, is literally decided by a coin flip? As Tinox said, our game was literally decided by a coin flip. If he went first, he would donk me. I went first, and was able to set up after a couple draw-passes. No game should come down to who happens to win the coin toss. And, really, I imagine there's a lot more games decided by a mere coin flip - something occurring before the game even begins. Sableye doesn't even guarantee a player safety because, if they go second, chances are, they're probably donked, providing two people start Sableye.

Spiritomb doesn't seem to do much either. Starting with just one Spiritomb still doesn't put you in the safe zone. I find that very disturbing. Something that trainer locks the opponent still doesn't guarantee that you won't be donked. All it takes is a Sableye start, and a Collector, which nets them Crobat G, and an Unown Dark.

All the while, what makes this all that much worse is that, whoever goes first, that player can deny their opponent a turn. They have no way of defending against that if they go second, short of starting with a bajillion pokemon. This format NEEDS to go because of that, for it allows this to happen far too often.
 
The people that chime in and say the format is "balanced" can't offer any proof. It's just an opinion.
And it appears their definition of "balanced" is everyone has access to the same set of cards, so Sableye vs. Sableye or Sableye vs. Spiritomb is a fair and balanced format.

On the contrary, people are sharing a tremendous amount of proof that the format is unbalanced, in the form of tournament reports where people aren't getting a turn. Sableye going first + trainers + fast deck is the best combination given the current rules. All other possible combinations of cards from our as-large-as-ever pool of 13 sets have a fundamental disadvantage.

HS-on is an example of a balanced format. The speculation is at least 5 different decks vying to be proven Tier 1, with at least another 5 trying to be Tier 2. With everything having x2 weakness, when you mix it all together at a big tournament like Nationals, it's impossible to know what will come out on top because of luck (matchups, coin flips, drawing) and then player skill. That is how the game is meant to be played.

Not to mention practically all of the games will have a Turn 2.
 
I think that some people's idea of a 'balanced' format comes from 2 things . . .

1. Sableye is being run in a few different decks (Sabledonk, Sablelock, Gyarados, Loxchomp)

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2. It's a BR, so people are playing stuff for fun and/or trying out the new cards
 
I just saw Giggles go T2 in consecutive BRs because of Sableye. And if he ran 1 Special Dark and 1 Unown Dark, he would have won both BRs. I think he had games where he Power Locked for 5 consecutive turns, starting turn 1. This is an insane format...
 
I think the only way to fix the format is by running Raticate G at BR's and dealing with the format like Ash Ketchum or Chris Hansen. I honestly can't remember so they would probably both deal with it the same.

I would recommend others start trying to trying to find counters for this bdif before it gets to much hype though. The hype is really real this time if you 8-pile-shuffle the deck as well. God hand is practically guaranteed if you believe. I was told this by some guy who watched Japanese people played and he said all Japanese players 8 pile shuffle. So it's definitely been confirmed as well.
 
I got donked first round by Gyarados. I started Zekrom and Magnemite :(.
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