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BRAutumn: no top cut

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ShuckleLVX said:
Am I the only one who thinks P!P nailed it? No cut saves time, points available deeper provides incentive to attend, but reduces how cutthroat the events are. Making everything worth ~10x gives more wiggle room, and setting a flat "You need to be this tall to ride the World Championships" makes the whole season clear, from day 1.
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I still really like top cut myself. That being said, i recognize that a top cut set too low and too short traded in for a system that awards more CP to more players doing well at larger events is a pretty sweet deal.
 
PokePop said:
I don't think anyone is saying the issue doesn't exist or shouldn't be discussed or complained about.
The main thing is that it was getting a bit heated and rude and needed to be taken down a notch.
That's all.
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I agree. That is why I tried as hard as I could to be careful about the way I spoke. It was almost as if the extremely brash were controlling the response though.Like the loudest/angriest got all the attention. But info is announced and most everyone will go back to sleep like snorlax until another something comes up. But at least they got it out.
 
Team CREAM said:
They aren't worth any more than they were last year, going by the x10 thing. They lowered.
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Although, wasn't the best finish limit for BRs last year 4? If its six this year then, then you have potential to earn more. Given you go to 6 of them. Unless I have that confused.

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@Ignatious, thanks for clearing that up. This is my first time playing competitively so I must have just misunderstood my previous source.
 
I was wrong. I thought eliminating Top cuts from Battle Roads would hurt attendance and obvioulsy that is not the case. And we now know why Top cuts were eliminated and that was to save time. And yes it has saved time so the elimination of top cuts has to be viewed as a success. Weather or not swiss play will be expanded only time will tell. But I can no longer aruge that it is a bad thing to have been done. The incredible attendance numbers state otherwise. I guess it is the growing pains of a game that is just getting HUGE, and things can not just be run as they used to.
 
PokePop said:
I don't think anyone is saying the issue doesn't exist or shouldn't be discussed or complained about.
The main thing is that it was getting a bit heated and rude and needed to be taken down a notch.
That's all.
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This is an echoed sentiment in America that is just too much for me...has a bitter taste of "No Child Left Behind."

The whole point is (and it has been made abundantly clear in this thread) that the season ALWAYS STARTS ON SEPT 1!!!! Now, I just wanted to blow that up to ensure its seen, not "to be rude." Honestly, when that ball gets dropped every time, I think its fine to call someone out on it. P!P has consistently been late on just about everything...but, the funny thing is, the deadlines they are always missing...they never change. The know we needed the info BEFORE the tournaments, but didn't give it to us...like Cities medals last year and Regional trophies the year before...and announcing the mid-season rotation after announcing they were anticipating nine sets at the beginning of the season. They consistently drop the ball over and over and frankly, they need to be called on it. I'm not sure what "rude" comments you are referring to. I think you've confused the words "rude" and "honest." If a drunk man where at a funeral making a scene, telling him to leave because he's a drunken idiot is not "rude," its truthful (I don't mean for this sentence to imply I'm calling anyone an idiot, just an example).

Sometimes, the truth hurts. Its unfortunate that America has come to what it has.

JandPDS said:
I was wrong. I thought eliminating Top cuts from Battle Roads would hurt attendance and obvioulsy that is not the case. And we now know why Top cuts were eliminated and that was to save time. And yes it has saved time so the elimination of top cuts has to be viewed as a success. Weather or not swiss play will be expanded only time will tell. But I can no longer aruge that it is a bad thing to have been done. The incredible attendance numbers state otherwise. I guess it is the growing pains of a game that is just getting HUGE, and things can not just be run as they used to.
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Saved time for what purpose? I have half a mind to set a trap to let you walk into it, but I'm really, really tired and its really, really late and I need some sleep. The players aren't interested in "saving" time at the expense of "losing playing" time. You didn't save anything, you cut it out, HUGE difference. If the point of playing the game is PLAYING the game and having fun, discouraging playing the game and have fun seems counter-productive.
 
As far as the mid-season rotation...

They basically gave us a 2 month notice on that one. The Warning shot came well before BRs started. The confirmation came with about 4 weeks to go before Nationals.
 
chrataxe said:
The whole point is (and it has been made abundantly clear in this thread) that the season ALWAYS STARTS ON SEPT 1!!!!
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This year, the season started on July 9th. (Here's the link to the announcement.)

We get information about the season almost 2 months later, just hours before the first tournament starts. Moreover, we get no official intermittent communication about what's going on with the decision process. If that's not a colossal failure in communication, I don't know what is.

I really, really appreciate the fact that Biggie apologized to the players for the tardiness of the information. I hope that communication will improve in the future, so that there wouldn't be a need for an apology to begin with.
 
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psychup2034 said:
This year, the season started on July 9th. (Here's the link to the announcement.)

We get information about the season almost 2 months later, just hours before the first tournament starts. Moreover, we get no official intermittent communication about what's going on with the decision process. If that's not a colossal failure in communication, I don't know what is.

I really, really appreciate the fact that Biggie apologized to the players for the tardiness of the information. I hope that communication will improve in the future, so that there wouldn't be a need for an apology to begin with.
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And US Nats ended July 1 and Worlds Aug 12! Guess who ran those tournies?? P!P OP Brass!!! You also have to crunch the final numbers to come up with a cut off point. You need to tweak the points. Not like the guys who make these decisions are sitting on their collective arses doing nothing over the summer! Give them a break please! Get over yourself! You got the info BEFORE the FIRST BR of the US SEASON! Geez.....you cannot please some people ever.
/end rant

Keith

PS It isnt like they are a group of hundreds either...they are a small, very dedicated core group that we are VERY LUCKY to have!
 
Lawman said:
And US Nats ended July 1 and Worlds Aug 12! Guess who ran those tournies?? P!P OP Brass!!! You also have to crunch the final numbers to come up with a cut off point. You need to tweak the points. Not like the guys who make these decisions are sitting on their collective arses doing nothing over the summer! Give them a break please! Get over yourself! You got the info BEFORE the FIRST BR of the US SEASON! Geez.....you cannot please some people ever.
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I'll respond by quoting Jason:

Ness said:
I'm going to approach this from a very common sense point of view.

This isn't the first blunder by TPCi. It isn't the second. Nor is it the third or fourth. The company is notorious for its bungling of projects and inability to communicate effectively with its customers. But despite all these screw-ups, the community has been very forgiving. I can count on one hand the people that finally caved and said "You know what? I've had enough. I'll play a different game."

There comes a point when people lose their patience. In the midst of the lack of announcements, the long-awaited PTCGO has gone down yet again, our cries for longer time limits at the World Championships were ignored, and PTOs are fighting their own battles.

Players have every right to be irritated. And letting that irritation and those disappointments be heard is productive. The fact that Dan took the time to actually respond on the board is proof it is. I don't like the news we received, but I certainly like that he posted it. From everything I've heard, Dan's one of the good guys. Thank you, Dan.
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The lack of communication is extremely difficult for players to make travel arrangements, and especially difficult for parents who have to take time off from work to take their kids to these Pokemon tournaments. While you may not have personally been affected by the lack of information from OP about Battle Roads, there are many people who were inconvenienced by it.

You make a logical fallacy when you try to make excuses for OP by saying "You got the info BEFORE the FIRST BR of the US SEASON!" A college student would be rightfully upset if the teacher announced the format of the final exam less than 24 hours before the exam. I would be rightfully upset of my boss told me whether I had to show up to a business meeting less than 24 hours before the meeting is to begin. OP did not give customers (and parents) enough information about the tournament structure to make plans.

Moreover, the lack of intermittent communication about most decisions OP makes is an endemic problem that hurts the player and hurts the game. It's saddening to see that you would be defending OP's inefficiencies. This isn't the first time it has happened, it's not the second, and it's not the third.

When OP does a good job, people respond well (example). When OP does a bad job, people respond poorly.

No-one is accusing OP of "sitting on their collective arses doing nothing over the summer." We are saying that they haven't communicated with the players very well, and they need to improve.
 
Personally I am not in favor of the top cut being taken away from Battle roads. It makes for illegitimate winners at times (Like when not one is undefeated and TOM's tiebreakers pick the winner) But was really frosted me was the fact that they made the change without any explanation as to why Top Cuts were elminated. There were ruomors of course that the wanted Battle Roads to be smaller in attendance or that they wanted the ot be more freindly to new players.

I am sure you heard of others as well. Of course runors will fly when there is not communication to the players about why the change was made.

Then finally the powers that be gave us the reason for the change. Battle Roads were taking to long to complete so eliminating top cuts will get them over faster. Now there is no way t oargue with that logic. So for the reason of time constraints getting rid of Top Cuts has served its pirpose as well.

I can see the reasons for doing that, as our facilitites that we host our tourneys at for Battle Roads and Cities can only hold 40 players at one and 60 at the other. So that is why I can invison a time where Top Cuts will only be held at the Larger events that host States and Regionals. The game is just outgrowing the places where BR and Cities are held.
 
@Psychup
We get it you're upset. Now please just let the topic end. We have the information, and the powers that be have apologized for it taking so long, so stop beating the proverbial dead horse.

JandPDS said:
There were ruomors of course that the wanted Battle Roads to be smaller in attendance or that they wanted the ot be more freindly to new players.
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I will remind everyone that that reasoning came from someone quoting the Pokemon website's blurb on BRs in general.

I don't personally see them removing top cut from Cities however since there is more on the line as opposed to a 5 CP difference, 2 packs, and a gimmicky card.
 
TheRolesWePlay said:
@Psychup
We get it you're upset. Now please just let the topic end. We have the information, and the powers that be have apologized for it taking so long, so stop beating the proverbial dead horse.



I will remind everyone that that reasoning came from someone quoting the Pokemon website's blurb on BRs in general.

I don't personally see them removing top cut from Cities however since there is more on the line as opposed to a 5 CP difference, 2 packs, and a gimmicky card.
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Be honest, Before the announcement came about this seasons Battle roads did you ever imagine for a second that they would remove top cuts from a Premiere Event?
 
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