BRAutumn: no top cut
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P_A
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Tina, your best set is to read the thread. There have been a number of suggestions back and forth, including 'you can't find who's the best on that day, since a match with a poor draw, poor hand, or playing against your weakness can ruin your chance at getting 1st place and top cuts are where you can redeem yourself after a loss' type of comments, etc. That type of comment has a bit of truth to it, but doesn't take into account that everyone has the same chance at a liability during a match. Competitive players think a lack of a top cut will ruin their chances at something - not sure whether it's the low prizes, or Championship points. Some have suggested that if TPCi stopped giving out CP's it would accomplish the goal of making BR's less important, and therefore there'd be less attendance. I know I'm oversimplifying it, but that's the thread in a nutshell.
DonphanAtoZ
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homeofmew
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@ P_A Even lets say you go x-1 or whatever record and get donked somewhere in the day - The top 4 Would be the same. So lets say r5 I get donked and get 2nd or 3d, get through t4 and make t2. (Then maybe get 1st?)
I guess 1st place to me vs 2nd is something I don't care about in BRs LOL
I guess 1st place to me vs 2nd is something I don't care about in BRs LOL
P_A
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No one says it can't be held at a nearby McDonald's after the tournament is over. No need to make the venue close too late, and hold the TO there longer than they need to. That's the point, the TO doesn't have to be involved to get a result.
Not the purpose of my post, but yeah sure, that was also part of what went on in the thread as well.
Yeah, seeing that the only difference is the only semi playable victory medal card, and bragging rights at such a small event ..... I see what you mean.
homeofmew
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@ P_A Exactly. And since the people who get into the t4 would be essentially the same people minus the actual top cut.
Since the Support is the Same
1st: Gold Card + 4 Packs (2 CP?)
2nd; Silver Card + 4 packs (1 CP?)
3rd: Bronze + 2 Packs (CP?)
4th 2 Packs (CP?)
So Essentially the people that would get "upset" would because of the following
2nd: The Color of the Victory cup Card. And 1 CP
3rd: over 2 packs. And The Color of their card
4th: over 2 packs and the fact they get no card.
Getting 4th is a bummer, I have gotten 4th before, I also have gone x-1 and gotten 5th. It happens, it's not like in the past people don't get "top cut" because of resistance..
I'm actually happy they did a card for 2nd and 3rd, to be honest.
Since the Support is the Same
1st: Gold Card + 4 Packs (2 CP?)
2nd; Silver Card + 4 packs (1 CP?)
3rd: Bronze + 2 Packs (CP?)
4th 2 Packs (CP?)
So Essentially the people that would get "upset" would because of the following
2nd: The Color of the Victory cup Card. And 1 CP
3rd: over 2 packs. And The Color of their card
4th: over 2 packs and the fact they get no card.
Getting 4th is a bummer, I have gotten 4th before, I also have gone x-1 and gotten 5th. It happens, it's not like in the past people don't get "top cut" because of resistance..
I'm actually happy they did a card for 2nd and 3rd, to be honest.
P_A
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Yeah Tina, hardly seems worth making a fuss. And since the top cut a lot of times seems to be the repeat of the last round (for the participants of the top cut), that too seems redundant in a lot of cases. Maybe this no top cut decision wasn't that bad of a move after all. Personally I certainly didn't see it coming, that's for sure, and I doubt that if I were in charge I'd do it quite that way - but then again, I don't have all the facts that TPCi has. It might not be too bad though. Let's wait and see.
JandPDS
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Top Cut is only a repeat of the last round in Top 2's but only about 75% of the time. And with Top 4's that is irrelevant.
But what I really want to know is WHAT possiible purpose is this change being made for? Do they think too many people are particpating in Battle Roads and this is an attemept to limit particpation? I just dont know what the issuse is that is being addressed here. I cant thing of any reason for this change to be made, if something is not broke dont fix it. And I never heard anyone say that Battle Roads were amiss in any way.
Top Cuts have been changed many times and allways without any explanation. Years ago Cities had a Top 8 cut then they were limited to T4, then back to T8. Likewise in this same time States went from T16 to T8 and back to T16 and regionals went from T32 to T16 back to T32.
I dont know what the impulse for theese changes are so its hard to say of they are being done for good reasons or bad, all we know is that the results of the change we are foced to live with. I really hope that this is not a sign of things to come and we wont see Top cuts disspaear from other events as well.
P_A
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Yeah, I've been trying to wrap my brain around this one too. Now here's what I came up with based upon last year's events and some experience with what I saw. Just take into account that I'm not "in the know" so my suppositions could be way out in left field.
I have a feeling that since TPCi (or P!P, whichever you prefer) has kept track of things from last year - both CP's and ELO of the players for a reason. I also think that those who did well at this World's event got CP's for a reason - sure, to put them up and above players who didn't go to World's, but not so that their invite would be assured. My guess is that they found that this year SOME players got an invite from CP's that wouldn't normally have other years if they had continued with ELO as the basis for invites. In simplified terms, ELO shows how well a person is doing based on their record from match to match, where CP's are based upon where you stand at the end of the event regardless of how many matches you played. Now I may be out in left field, but I think TPCi (P!P) want to make a change to giving out invites based upon CP's, but "qualified" by the ELO rating. I think that they may want to see those who have shown themselves as doing well over more matches as the best, moreso than where they stand at the end of the event.
Now that being said, if they did that, they put even more pressure on the importance of BR's since they are the most plentiful event that TPCi does. For the most part they want to downplay them - since the prize support is so minimal, and they want them to be the most basic event for the players (especially new players) to introduce competition to them at the start of the year. To do that, they may have figured that limiting the events to a really small top cut like they did last year, brought them more in line with their goals. However to limit them further (to a top 2) to downplay their significance of BR's for their new plan to work would probably only be a replay of the last x-0 match, hence the loss of the top cut. Now looking at the loss of top cuts objectively, it does have both advantages and disadvantages, as many in this thread have discussed, but I'm sure for a new invite structure to work they have to not only limit the best finish limit on BR's, but also eliminate matches from being counted towards the invite structure that aren't absolutely necessary.
Yeah, sounds complicated, but that's the only idea I could possibly come up with that had any semblance of plausibility to explain things. However it's my opinion only, and like all opinions it can't be relied upon. That's why this forum 'News and Gossip' is so helpful at times.
I have a feeling that since TPCi (or P!P, whichever you prefer) has kept track of things from last year - both CP's and ELO of the players for a reason. I also think that those who did well at this World's event got CP's for a reason - sure, to put them up and above players who didn't go to World's, but not so that their invite would be assured. My guess is that they found that this year SOME players got an invite from CP's that wouldn't normally have other years if they had continued with ELO as the basis for invites. In simplified terms, ELO shows how well a person is doing based on their record from match to match, where CP's are based upon where you stand at the end of the event regardless of how many matches you played. Now I may be out in left field, but I think TPCi (P!P) want to make a change to giving out invites based upon CP's, but "qualified" by the ELO rating. I think that they may want to see those who have shown themselves as doing well over more matches as the best, moreso than where they stand at the end of the event.
Now that being said, if they did that, they put even more pressure on the importance of BR's since they are the most plentiful event that TPCi does. For the most part they want to downplay them - since the prize support is so minimal, and they want them to be the most basic event for the players (especially new players) to introduce competition to them at the start of the year. To do that, they may have figured that limiting the events to a really small top cut like they did last year, brought them more in line with their goals. However to limit them further (to a top 2) to downplay their significance of BR's for their new plan to work would probably only be a replay of the last x-0 match, hence the loss of the top cut. Now looking at the loss of top cuts objectively, it does have both advantages and disadvantages, as many in this thread have discussed, but I'm sure for a new invite structure to work they have to not only limit the best finish limit on BR's, but also eliminate matches from being counted towards the invite structure that aren't absolutely necessary.
Yeah, sounds complicated, but that's the only idea I could possibly come up with that had any semblance of plausibility to explain things. However it's my opinion only, and like all opinions it can't be relied upon. That's why this forum 'News and Gossip' is so helpful at times.
losjackal
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This isn't applicable to the world of games; the rules of a game (or a tournament) need to be able to change, as decided by a Designer of the game. As a Player, you can choose to play the game, or not. But don't tie the Designer's hands with a cliché.
The following can be found on Pokemon.com, describing Battle Road tournaments:
"The Battle Road series is designed to provide players with small, entry-level events on a local scale."
I said this before, it looks like TPCi wants to bring back Battle Roads to what they were meant to be.
That was always on the website though.
dialga master
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They just realized it was. 
You are correct sir and is it possible that TPCi wants to get back to that?
Another "like I said before" it's amazing how many players are upset over a change in the SMALLEST of Pokemon events. All of of sudden the sky has fallen and the world is about to end for some players.
You know, I know a lot of players that will still attend Battle Roads because they know it will be good practice for Regionals. It's games against different players that they don't get at their local league.
You know what I see the most? Players that consider themselves competitive and think they're too good for league play and Battle Roads then go to States, Regionals, or Nationals and FAIL. I see it ALL THE TIME. Don't be that player.
Take advantage of what Pokemon has to offer for FREE and use Battle Roads to better your game and get you ready for October Regionals.
TheDarkTwins
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If you go X-1 and whiff cut you should get a Championship Point. There shouldn't be a cliff. If you have a 7 players that are 5-1, they should ALL get a CP regardless of if they make cut. I know that's not the point of this thread, but just saying, that there shouldn't be a cliff where if you do well, you lose out due to resistance at a chance of earning some points, regardless if there is a top cut or not.
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