Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Bravo Burner (Infernape)

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If your going 2 run a 1-0-1 energy acceleration it would be Togekiss obviously for countless reasons.
Empoleon doesn't really hurt you with the bench damage as much as you hurt them by OHKO'ing their
Empoleons. The Empoleon Match Up is 50-50 if they get the setup. I also tested this deck with no
Rotom and Typhlosion instead it isn't anywhere near as consistent but if you're playing against a deck
with no Power-Lock then yeah of course you can Fire Starter, Firestarter, Attach per turn 120+ but only
if you want to just lose to decks that stop you from using powers.
 
windstorm aren't that needed but you could put 1 in if you want

with tauros and pachi you barely need windstorms, so one is as much as you need, unless your metagame is all crystals and stuff

none is fine too
 
I had in 2 but I think 1 is the play, I just need to find room. So if you say add a card also say what to drop.
 
ape is not BDIF, maybe if it teched a 1-0-1 toise it would be. But even then it would get own by Empostar, as I have won every game I have faced vs. the ape. Whether it's the bench hits or weakness, MY Empostar has a very good match-up vs. the ape.

It's not a auto-win, but it's not in the favor of the ape.
 
If you have redshark I'll be glad to test against you best 2/3 you're a good player and it'll really test my list. I usually test against Rambo's list which is pretty amazing Blastoise isn't the best tech in this deck by far.
 
ape is more consistant than empoleon, is it enough to make up for the natural weaknesses to the deck? well that depends on how good either deck is built, if the empo deck is built really well it will beat a crappy ape list with the wrong techs every time, but if they are both built really well, ape has empo by consistency, the rest is just skill of being able to beat a deck that is comprised entirely of pokemon you are weak to

it's not in apes favor in any regard i still say it's 50-50 with the best of ape lists but considering the type advantage, every win for ape is just a slap in the face of the empo player, it's nowhere near as one sided as banette vs gardy

i'd like to test a game over redshark as well i know chris is nasty and i think the results should be interesting
 
I just played Misdreavus on Redshark and it came down to the final prize I won.

It was a really good game and it goes to show that Empoleon and Infernape are very evenly matched.
 
TODDakaESTEBAN said:
ape is more consistant than empoleon, is it enough to make up for the natural weaknesses to the deck? well that depends on how good either deck is built, if the empo deck is built really well it will beat a crappy ape list with the wrong techs every time, but if they are both built really well, ape has empo by consistency, the rest is just skill of being able to beat a deck that is comprised entirely of pokemon you are weak to
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So what is the right tech for ape .........:confused:
 
There is an old Chinese proverb that could be credited to Lao Tzu goes "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." I'll do you one better than simply telling you my tech because for your style of play it may be a better one for you. Pokepedia and The Tower combined help me build my decks. So test it for yourself without any techs without misplaying and see what is the one thing that usually makes you lose and counter it with a crafty tech.
 
That actually wasn't a really a question............. I thought the post was somewhat confused.


If really think about your posted deck list is a fish missing a gill or two.....

Anyway any tech is a gamble depending what is played at the time in an area.
 
Well my friend decks can only hold 60 cards as we all know. These are the best 60 cards for my playing style personally I haven't played a game against anyone who I didn't have the chance to win, of course sometimes you don't draw into what you need but this happens sometimes due to card drawing being random and the fact that you have prizes/ decks that discard your hand and other things.
 
bugsbite said:
That actually wasn't a really a question............. I thought the post was somewhat confused.


If really think about your posted deck list is a fish missing a gill or two.....

Anyway any tech is a gamble depending what is played at the time in an area.
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sorry i don't quite understand what your're saying, but what i mean by what i'm saying is that a good empoleon list can beat a bad infernape list everytime, but if the decks are equally built and equally weilded, the matchup is almost even, techs aside, if the infernape deck has the proper techs it become VERY winnable, with decent luck,

and infernape will have decent luck more often, because it set's up quickly, more thoroughly and more consistantly, with all due respect

and any comment about this list being bad is just rediculous because it's not only the best one that's been posted on the gym, but it's the only one that isn't capable of making milk shoot out of my nose,

i would love to test vs any empoleon player in 2/3 on redshark, just pm me and i'll work something out
 
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ok, i tested Infernape w/ Delcatty, same tech lines, just took out Rotom. let's recap, the only real problem w/ the Claydol version IMO, is getting energy into the discard. the only real problem i forsaw w/ delcatty was the wager loss.

i did not get to face an empoleon deck, so i do not know which is better for me ATM, however, my ape went 5-0 in a weekly league tournament, beating a GG, Magmortar, (both on time o_O) SPEDrill, Arithmetic, and something else i can't remember. 1 wager really hurt me because i had the clinch KO against Magmortar (DRE+3PPs.. lol), and against both matches my 1-0-1 Dusknoir line helped alot (those being GG and mortar), i plan on testing this against Empoleon and getting back on it, and then i will post my list for both decks as well as my opinion on which is better. what i DO have to say is that depending on which support line you use, your playing style changes drastically. Delcatty Ex was not as much of a hinderance as i thought, since you can just discard it v GG (which i did). I am not by any means as good w/ this deck as i would like to be and made some major misplays V the GG which would have made the match much easier (for the record, it was Plox) and he got a T2 dusknoir o_O...

again, considering how huge your hand is, wager can destroy your set-up, which is why you need to play things as you get them, which i am not fond of.
 
the delcatty, build is definately good, but the only threat is early game wagers, but everyone already knows this,

i mainain that rotom is needed, it's just a fact of life, not only is it good for setup, but at some point in the middle of the game you are going to have an ape without any energies, and you are going to have to sac a pokemon, woulld you rather sac a pokemon that get's 2 energiesd onto you for free or a pokemon that does nothing but give away a prize in this situation,

as for the claydol build the best way to get energies into the discard is with felicity's instead of tvr, MAYBE a tech lunatone(not needed) retreating, and of course bravo burning them, really with the consistancy of the deck and the boost from scramble and double rainbow, you shoul be able to bravo burn the whole game and use 1 or 2 flare ups, if needed

thank you suicidal pikachu for your contribution, i hope infernape works out for you good luck
 
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