I've always considered Professor Oak's Visit a staple trainer card along with Bebe's Search. (Better than Felicity as the you put a card back into the deck instead of having to discard it.) I'm starting to experiment with the Legends set (I'm being wise and using proxies before me and my kids dump more money into cards this time.) This Buck's Training to me seems to be the new Professor Oak's in a way. Yes, you draw 2 instead of 3 but you net the same amount since you don't have to give up a card, pus you add 10 to your attack (no much considering cards over 100 HP are now commonplace though.) I'm thinking of running this in place of Professor Oaks Visit. Thoughts?
Buck's Training the "new" Professor Oaks?
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jkwarrior
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Drawing 3 and putting one on the bottom is much better than just drawing two.
By drawing 3, you give yourself access to more cards. That third card could be the exact card you need.
Now, Buck's has its place in certain decks, but I would not consider it to be a staple. It only gives you two cards...
By drawing 3, you give yourself access to more cards. That third card could be the exact card you need.
Now, Buck's has its place in certain decks, but I would not consider it to be a staple. It only gives you two cards...
I see your point, but if you say the third card could be the exact card you need, couldn't one just as easily say, the one card you are forced to give up *could* also be the one you really need on your next turn?
We are comparing a 0 for 2 with +10 attack to a 1 for 3 with +0 attack. I don't think it is as big of a difference as you are eluding to.
Ignatious
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The +10 damage that Buck provides is OVERRATED. Half of the time, the +10 is useless, because you use Bucks for the purpose of drawing cards, adding 10 damage to an attack that would 2HKO the defendinf pokemon anyway. The drawing two cards aspect of playing for the +10 damage is useless, because it is a supporter. If you really need to do 10 more damage, let's just hope you havn't already played a supporter this turn. Buck is too situational for any of my decks.
Oak > Buck
Oak > Buck
proplay010
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Dude bucks isnt good im sorry oaks is a million times better because you have the chance of hitting that card instead of wiffing with two. and bucks helps claydol?? how can you say that you still get two cards?? the hype will die down its because theres 2 supporters in the set that are decent so everyone wants them and wants to think theyll be amazing but theyll never be able to replace what we just let go.. celios?.. stevens? no way those were good now we get a oaks imposter if i might and a sub par draw card that is complete chance because you cant plan on your pokemon bein knocked out not with all the spreads and palkia and mettagrosses... IMO
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Buck's Training has a very good place in a few... very few... decks. Self-healers like Butterfree and Dustox like it. Other than that... not really worth it.
If the 3rd card you draw with Oak's Visit isn't what you need, you can choose to put it at the bottom of your deck. The chance that it IS what you need, though, outweighs the +10 damage that Buck's Training gives.
If the 3rd card you draw with Oak's Visit isn't what you need, you can choose to put it at the bottom of your deck. The chance that it IS what you need, though, outweighs the +10 damage that Buck's Training gives.
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vanderbilt_grad
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+10 damage REALLY works in some decks. It just doesn't matter as much in others.
Kingdra loves Bucks. AMU likes the extra card.
Kingdra loves Bucks. AMU likes the extra card.
ShadowGuard
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Professor Oak's Visit wasn't a staple since Claydol came out. Everybody who had Claydol in the deck used Steven as draw supporter, Oak's Visit was rarely seen, maybe in some rogue decks that didn't have Claydol.
First I thought Buck was useless, but it's not that bad at all. The key is to have the option to more damage without wasting deck slots for PlusPowers. The card has two functions so you can decide which of them you need. Most times the other function is unimportant that time, but it can't be bad at all.
I think it depends on the deck which draw supporter to play. Oak, Buck, Felicity, maybe even Team Galactic's Mars, all of themcan be a good choice with the right deck strategy.
First I thought Buck was useless, but it's not that bad at all. The key is to have the option to more damage without wasting deck slots for PlusPowers. The card has two functions so you can decide which of them you need. Most times the other function is unimportant that time, but it can't be bad at all.
I think it depends on the deck which draw supporter to play. Oak, Buck, Felicity, maybe even Team Galactic's Mars, all of themcan be a good choice with the right deck strategy.
I don't get your logic why Buck should help Claydol more than Oak. If you draw three and put one back, you are still a two cards more, which is the same quantitiy as with buck.
I use a couple of POV in my deck and love it. While the net gain is the same with Buck's, I'd rather have more options. Also, ten damage isn't that much. However..
Ten damage can turn the tide in a battle. There have been games where if I'd been able to do ten extra damage, I'd've won. If I have a Pokemon burned or poisoned and about to die between turns, I'd like to be able to do as much damage as I can before it goes down.
One thing that has me looking warily at PUSA is that many of the draw cards coming out recently (Mom's Kindness, Buck's, even older cards like Team Galactic's Mars) seem to be reducing the number of cards you can draw to 2. My main deck doesn't use Claydol (I think too highly of it apparently -- the deck I'm working on now has 2-2 Claydol but only for now probably), and anyway, with Claydol, don't you want to keep your hand size down so as to draw as many cards as possible? I've been using a ball engine in my deck with the 'dol and it seems to work much better as far as getting what I need, because mostly what I search for are basics that go straight to the bench or their evolutions, which also go straight there. With Claydol in that deck, I haven't really felt the need for more draw power at all, as my hand gets down close to 1 to 3 cards from the six I Cosmic'd for earlier that turn.
If it's draw power you want and don't have the space for / don't want Claydol, then yes, cards like Buck's, POV, Mars, and Cynthia's are great. But I just don't think that the extra ten damage is always worth it, comparing to POV. If you really want that ten damage and it means that much to you, I can introduce you to something called a Plus Power. Otherwise, I really don't think it's such an excellent card.
On another note, is it just me or are most of the trainers in this set not all that wonderful? Bubblecoat -- yeah, yeah, thanks loads. Cynthia's I like (though not so much the sacrifice, but hey?). The devoluter and evoluter I like, but I'd rather see them as a trainer-during-your-turn than a tool-that-ends-your-turn. On the other hand, I do really like the vast variety of combinations that are possible in this new set. I have so many ideas inspired by LA cards that I'm actually really excited about it, and wish my money hadn't just gone to buy $730 of textbooks (and then $260 or so for a new pair of shoes for my mother, unbeknownst to me).
Ten damage can turn the tide in a battle. There have been games where if I'd been able to do ten extra damage, I'd've won. If I have a Pokemon burned or poisoned and about to die between turns, I'd like to be able to do as much damage as I can before it goes down.
One thing that has me looking warily at PUSA is that many of the draw cards coming out recently (Mom's Kindness, Buck's, even older cards like Team Galactic's Mars) seem to be reducing the number of cards you can draw to 2. My main deck doesn't use Claydol (I think too highly of it apparently -- the deck I'm working on now has 2-2 Claydol but only for now probably), and anyway, with Claydol, don't you want to keep your hand size down so as to draw as many cards as possible? I've been using a ball engine in my deck with the 'dol and it seems to work much better as far as getting what I need, because mostly what I search for are basics that go straight to the bench or their evolutions, which also go straight there. With Claydol in that deck, I haven't really felt the need for more draw power at all, as my hand gets down close to 1 to 3 cards from the six I Cosmic'd for earlier that turn.
If it's draw power you want and don't have the space for / don't want Claydol, then yes, cards like Buck's, POV, Mars, and Cynthia's are great. But I just don't think that the extra ten damage is always worth it, comparing to POV. If you really want that ten damage and it means that much to you, I can introduce you to something called a Plus Power. Otherwise, I really don't think it's such an excellent card.
On another note, is it just me or are most of the trainers in this set not all that wonderful? Bubblecoat -- yeah, yeah, thanks loads. Cynthia's I like (though not so much the sacrifice, but hey?). The devoluter and evoluter I like, but I'd rather see them as a trainer-during-your-turn than a tool-that-ends-your-turn. On the other hand, I do really like the vast variety of combinations that are possible in this new set. I have so many ideas inspired by LA cards that I'm actually really excited about it, and wish my money hadn't just gone to buy $730 of textbooks (and then $260 or so for a new pair of shoes for my mother, unbeknownst to me).
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Buck's is very good in Kingdra. Especially when facing Armaldo.
Any deck that likes to discard (Kingdra, Garchomp) prefers Felicity, otherwise POV is the best draw card now Steven's is gone.
Any deck that likes to discard (Kingdra, Garchomp) prefers Felicity, otherwise POV is the best draw card now Steven's is gone.
Dark Ninja
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Brian, you're an idiot. It doesn't help claydol. The net gain for the 2 cards is the same.
Play buck's -1, Draw two +2=Net gain of 1
Play oak's -1, Draw three +3= +2-1(card on bottom)= Net gain of 1
skarmory777
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Personally i'd play felicity's over anything in any deck. drop a supporter like one of your 4 roseannes or perhaps an energy and you get 4 cards. better than three or two in my opinion.
Kabutops141
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Exactly. Different cards fit into different decks.
Politoed666
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I run two of each. They're both good in different ways.
Rogue Archetype
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Bucks isn't the "new Professor Oaks" because ... Professor Oaks is still in the format .... :/
and. .. you can't just use a supporter because everyone says it's good. It HAS to serve a specific function in the deck (i.e. goes along with the Grand Scheme of things...)
and. .. you can't just use a supporter because everyone says it's good. It HAS to serve a specific function in the deck (i.e. goes along with the Grand Scheme of things...)