Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Can Gengar be stopped?

They WILL have unown g on it most likely. You CAN'T use the crobat/poison trick thanks to nidoqueen.

Honestly, the only deck that can consistently bypass fainting spell is Dialga.
 
Or Blaziken/Heatran (if anyone plays it).

I've seen Blaziken teched into Kingdra as well. Even without the Heatran, it means Gengar has to hit the flips to avoid Burn, as well as the ones for Fainting Spell.
 
baby mario said:
Or Blaziken/Heatran (if anyone plays it).

I've seen Blaziken teched into Kingdra as well. Even without the Heatran, it means Gengar has to hit the flips to avoid Burn, as well as the ones for Fainting Spell.
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with 2 Nidoqueens that isnt true. I would probably end up having 2 retret and bring up another Gengar that i will most probably have. An even worse mach would be magtran. I think I could work around it (though it wouldnt be easy). Even so, there aren't any blazetrans out there
 
Ok Pokegym here is your eye opener about your famous response of " Oh, Nidoqueen stops that." NIDOQUEEN WON'T BE THERE. What does a good Ape/Ray player do against it? Gust it, lay a Lucario, Energy Gain a Toxicroak, and OHKO. OR Galactic Switch onto a Uxie Lv.X attach and OHKO. Or Gust it, drop Crobat, Poke-Turn, Crobat, Fire Spin and it's bye bye Queen. From there on out Gengar won't get to flip, ever. Gallade does the same with either Blowers or their own Luxray, which I have seen played with either or. Dialga G owns Gengar as is. BigChuck's Kingdra I believe 6-0 Ness's Gengar at Regionals. So it's not that hard too, and this isn't Theorymon they are all "easy" plays anyone of this decks can pull. Before anyone says "I'll just set up another Queen." Go ahead, your doing me a favor. It's 1 more price I don't have to play around.
 
konopacz said:
with 2 Nidoqueens that isnt true. I would probably end up having 2 retret and bring up another Gengar that i will most probably have. An even worse mach would be magtran. I think I could work around it (though it wouldnt be easy). Even so, there aren't any blazetrans out there
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Blaziken automatically defeats Gengar. Seriously. If they put an Unown G on their Heatran, just scoop. Unless you can bench them... you seriously lose. The deck does 100 damage with 20 in between turns... EVERY TURN. Your Nidoqueen does nothing.

There won't be that many out there, but defending your posts by saying, "I can find a way around it," is a bad choice. You can't just decide all of your matchups by "Oh, I can find a way around it."
 
konopacz said:
with 2 Nidoqueens that isnt true. I would probably end up having 2 retret and bring up another Gengar that i will most probably have. An even worse mach would be magtran. I think I could work around it (though it wouldnt be easy). Even so, there aren't any blazetrans out there
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Just in case you think the two Nidoqueen would remove 2 damage counters per turn, countering the Burn (as I once thought,) Nidoqueen's Poké-Body doesn't stack. So, Burn+Heatran is still an effective way to get around Fainting Spell.
 
Bellawesome is THE Gengar counter. No power, hits for a hundred and burn with two more on the bench :D Throw in a Heatran and yaya yaya yay.

Such a shame Infernape 4 became popular D:
 
Pinsir52 said:
I didn't read the whole thread, so I don't know if this has been said yet...
De-evoluter OWNS Gengar. Hit then for >,= 80, then Devolve it. They can't use fainting spell because you killed the Haunter or Ghastly. Of course, if there is an Unown G on the Gengar you can't, but you can still get them to 10hp and crobat or poison it...
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Ya pinser weve discused it. Ur right, TS2 i a huge counter. However, nothing an unown G can't cure

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Godzfirefly said:
Just in case you think the two Nidoqueen would remove 2 damage counters per turn, countering the Burn (as I once thought,) Nidoqueen's Poké-Body doesn't stack. So, Burn+Heatran is still an effective way to get around Fainting Spell.
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Oh wow i thought it was stackable. Lol i should prob actually READ the cards im discussing.
 
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Weavile, Dark engage, make your pokemon dark = KO gengar.
Great with psychic loick + 2 dark = 60+20+30= 110
 
homeofmew said:
Weavile, Dark engage, make your pokemon dark = KO gengar.
Great with psychic loick + 2 dark = 60+20+30= 110
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But then you have to take Feinting Spell and potentially lose your fully charged Gardevoir.

The way to beat Gengar with GG/Weavile is to Psychic Lock with only one Special Dark on for 100, then either Teleportation or Moonlight into Uxie for the Psychic Restore KO, sending it back to the bottom of the deck to avoid the flip. Unown G has to be on Gardevoir and Weavile, of course, or you will quickly lose. Then you just have to keep the hand free of trainers via smart Telepassing, minimal Cosmic Powering (although you'll almost always lose Claydol early, unless you run 3 Unown G), not using Set Up when you play Uxie, etc.. If they happen to play a Looker's against you, you are basically set to avoid Poltergeist for the rest of the game because you can Telepass it every single turn and just draw 1.
 
I just plan to smash it and take my chances with the flip.
I can set up next attacker before they can set up more Gengars and attach 2 energies for poltregiest, so they'll have to pray that their flips hit EVERYTIME to win....
 
butlerforhire said:
But then you have to take Feinting Spell and potentially lose your fully charged Gardevoir.

The way to beat Gengar with GG/Weavile is to Psychic Lock with only one Special Dark on for 100, then either Teleportation or Moonlight into Uxie for the Psychic Restore KO, sending it back to the bottom of the deck to avoid the flip. Unown G has to be on Gardevoir and Weavile, of course, or you will quickly lose. Then you just have to keep the hand free of trainers via smart Telepassing, minimal Cosmic Powering (although you'll almost always lose Claydol early, unless you run 3 Unown G), not using Set Up when you play Uxie, etc.. If they happen to play a Looker's against you, you are basically set to avoid Poltergeist for the rest of the game because you can Telepass it every single turn and just draw 1.
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Ya thats sounds like a much more reasonable idea. I would play that deck with like 2 uxie. Dark Plox axtually sounds ok.

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homeofmew said:
it's good vs Machamp too don't Dark Engage, PsyLock
and vs T tar just pull out gallade (also good vs Dialga)
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wait... y would it be good against Dialga?
 
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Gengar is good and Mother Gengar is nice, but now, its just so many ways around Fainting Spell, everything is hitting faster for major damage now. Ape/Ray has one of the best matchups against it, just because 100/Tank G/Bat G will ensure a KO, Nidoqueen will be gusted for a KO while the same for Claydol/Baltoy will happen in the first few turns of the game.

BlazeTran does 100 everyturn and 20 between turns. Bye Bye Gengar even with Queen.

SP decks can just play around them easy, Dialga does well since it eliminates Queen from the equation and can poison gengar while deafen locking you and power spraying. Same for Gallade spread which does the same but spreads and eliminates Queen.

Kingdra can even, it can be teched with Tank G/Bat G/Dialga G and go to work by doingg 60/20 then 40/Tank/Bat.

Speedrill can also do the same with PPs/Bucks and Tank G.

I mean really, Gengar is like how it was during Cities, its a good play, but Gigas is gone, Machamp speed died down, Dusknoir is gone, and SP is here to stay. Gengar just can't be that devastating anymore since its easy to understand now.
 
Banette EX said:
Gengar is good and Mother Gengar is nice, but now, its just so many ways around Fainting Spell, everything is hitting faster for major damage now. Ape/Ray has one of the best matchups against it, just because 100/Tank G/Bat G will ensure a KO, Nidoqueen will be gusted for a KO while the same for Claydol/Baltoy will happen in the first few turns of the game.

BlazeTran does 100 everyturn and 20 between turns. Bye Bye Gengar even with Queen.

SP decks can just play around them easy, Dialga does well since it eliminates Queen from the equation and can poison gengar while deafen locking you and power spraying. Same for Gallade spread which does the same but spreads and eliminates Queen.

Kingdra can even, it can be teched with Tank G/Bat G/Dialga G and go to work by doingg 60/20 then 40/Tank/Bat.

Speedrill can also do the same with PPs/Bucks and Tank G.

I mean really, Gengar is like how it was during Cities, its a good play, but Gigas is gone, Machamp speed died down, Dusknoir is gone, and SP is here to stay. Gengar just can't be that devastating anymore since its easy to understand now.
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Ur Infernape 4 match is totally correct. I admit it, however....

1. There has been very, very few Blazetran decks that have done well.

2. Nobody wants to risk the fainting spell with a fully powered dialga.

3. NOBODY techs dialga Gs etc with Kingdra. The kingdras that win are the straight Kindras.
 
konopacz said:
3. NOBODY techs dialga Gs etc with Kingdra. The kingdras that win are the straight Kindras.
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Crobats and Skuntank are actually pretty common techs in Kingdra. They were both in Sami's UK Nats winning Kingdra deck. In any case, if you were expecting to play a lot of Gengar/Nidoqueen decks, what would you do: tech in a 1-1 line of Dialga G and shut it down, or just say 'ummmm . . . nah, I'll stick to straight Kingdra . . . people win more with that'?
 
Gengar has only been winning because every flip has a 50% chance of heads. Flip to win, not that complicated...
 
baby mario said:
Crobats and Skuntank are actually pretty common techs in Kingdra. They were both in Sami's UK Nats winning Kingdra deck. In any case, if you were expecting to play a lot of Gengar/Nidoqueen decks, what would you do: tech in a 1-1 line of Dialga G and shut it down, or just say 'ummmm . . . nah, I'll stick to straight Kingdra . . . people win more with that'?
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While that maybe true, Nick Chemento's Kindra build sticks with the basic techs: clayol and uxie. Nick is ranked 4th in the world and won my personal reginals.

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Prof Em said:
Gengar has only been winning because every flip has a 50% chance of heads. Flip to win, not that complicated...
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I'm sorry but i can tell by this post that you are not an experienced Gengar player. If you play Gengar just because of the flip, then you DO NOT play Gengar for the right reason. "Fainting Spell" is just an added bonus. If you get 1 or 2 prizes, then you are lucky.

However you are right that fainting spell has been winning Gengar players their games.
 
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