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TheDarkTwins said:
So, I am going to assume that Andrew didn't play Weavile based on that?

Drew
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No, he did...people just don't know what their talking about and feel important by posting whatever they might "think" is right. Zack, i'm not calling you out for not including weavile, i was just speaking in general for this entire thread.


Juniors was won by an undefeated Luxape
 
sdrawkcab said:
No, he did...people just don't know what their talking about and feel important by posting whatever they might "think" is right. Zack, i'm not calling you out for not including weavile, i was just speaking in general for this entire thread.


Juniors was won by an undefeated Luxape
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I've noticed. I mean this thread is so misleading it isn't even funny and that makes it completely unhelpful as well. :nonono:

Drew
 
Hey, I got a questions for all those who takes a look at this post : What would be the sanction to a player who uses a Night Maintenance, looks through the discard piles, call the judge for a question ( he did not choose any cards ), then uses Cosmic Power to draw extra cards, end up using Roseanne's research, scrolls through his deck and then call the judge to say that he forgot to put cards back with his Night Maintenance?
 
Youko I think I know what you are talking about ... that is not what happened if it occured at Canadian Nationals. I am sure we are thinking of the same incident. He used Night maintenance and while he was doing so. He noticed his opponent looking at his cellular device which isn't allowed. He then called a judge. At this point the night maintenance had been forgotten about and he used roseannes to try to get what he was going to Night maintenance. I am very sure a light penalty was given because of this reason.
 
Alright just to Clarify the deck I played was
Luxray/Infernape/Dusknoir/Ditto/with a 1-0-1 flygon tech no weavile and I used a 1-2 claydol line
Dont laugh the deck works amazing theres so much synergy between these cards and thats why I won
hope this clears up any confusion :p

oh and ps. youko thats not really how it went down
 
The Dark Toxicroak said:
Youko I think I know what you are talking about ... that is not what happened if it occured at Canadian Nationals. I am sure we are thinking of the same incident. He used Night maintenance and while he was doing so. He noticed his opponent looking at his cellular device which isn't allowed. He then called a judge. At this point the night maintenance had been forgotten about and he used roseannes to try to get what he was going to Night maintenance. I am very sure a light penalty was given because of this reason.
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Yes Dark, a light penalty was given for this at the Canadian Nats : a warning. Both judges agreed on that they made a mistake on the judging. <We blew it>, that's what they said. They thought the Roseanne was played earlier, before the Night Maintenance. When a player forgets something, draw cards from his deck and then be able to see his deck, it is not rewind-able. The judges did not ask both players point of view on this. They didn't ask Jonathan, what happened, and Andrew, what happened. (By the way Dark Toxicroak, how do you know what happened?)

Concerning the cellphone, he was looking at the time, since there is no timer in the whole room. As far as I know, he was looking at the timer-replacement during the WHOLE Nats championship to keep track of the time call.

Andrew, if you would please let me know details by details what happened and what you said to the judge in order to clarify this.
 
It doesn't matter no electronic devices are allowed to be used. I know because I have been told about what happened. The players usually talk about weird things judges do at tournaments. The only reason he made this mistake was because the opponent was doing something that isn't allowed what so ever.


It has already happened so there is no way to fix it, personally I don't believe it needs to be fixed. This was not even bad compared to some of the things at Canadian nationals anyways
 
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The players talk about weird things? That's probably what you heard. It is not a plausible excuse to say that he made the mistakes because of the cellphone. It happened during the top 8 and you're telling me that it's not important, Andrew used the cards that he was allowed to return in the deck to beat Jo and won the first match. When a player makes a mistake during such events, that's just too bad, there's no reason to accuse the other player of our own mistakes.

For example, if player A plays Uxie from SF when there is an Mesprit SF played during it's opponent's turn, the player A cannot take back Uxie because he forgot.

If I was able to scroll over my deck, and see what's in there, I can then choose whatever I want in my advantage. It is not a minor error, it changes everything since cards we're drawed with Cosmic Power and there is more chance for the player to get what he then needs to complete the strategy in his hand.

In other words, the judging was really soft on this and did not consider the whole situation, took a quick resolution and took a bad decision that cost a player one game out of three.

Andrew, the name is David Huynh from Montreal. If you could please report all the actions and what you said back then to clarify this
 
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The judges were really light on Jon looking at a celluar phone during the match..

Its not like anyone is going to use night maintenance and get nothing back and it wouldn't even feel good to win on a mistake like that, which was most likely caused due to the judge interuption


Tego that would most likely be andrew making a joke about what everyone said he was playing etc
 
I am surprised, Dark Toxicroak (I think you're Jonathan Engel but whatever), that no other players complainted about the cellphone during the whole event, including the Top 16.

Concerning Night Maintenance, I would totally use Night Maintenance to get nothing back, in order to liberate some space in my hand probably. The fact is that he forgot. I'll totally play Night Maintenance, do like 3x Uxie, 2x Cosmic Power and then, I'll put the cards from Night Maintenance back now. The effect of Night Maintenance resolved because other effects already resolved. In other words, it is not a chain of effects, it happens one after the other, and each card drew makes a difference.
 
Youko said:
The players talk about weird things? That's probably what you heard. It is not a plausible excuse to say that he made the mistakes because of the cellphone. It happened during the top 8 and you're telling me that it's not important, Andrew used the cards that he was allowed to return in the deck to beat Jo and won the first match. When a player makes a mistake during such events, that's just too bad, there's no reason to accuse the other player of our own mistakes.

For example, if player A plays Uxie from SF when there is an Mesprit SF played during it's opponent's turn, the player A cannot take back Uxie because he forgot.

If I was able to scroll over my deck, and see what's in there, I can then choose whatever I want in my advantage. It is not a minor error, it changes everything since cards we're drawed with Cosmic Power and there is more chance for the player to get what he then needs to complete the strategy in his hand.

In other words, the judging was really soft on this and did not consider the whole situation, took a quick resolution and took a bad decision that cost a player one game out of three.

Andrew, the name is David Huynh from Montreal. If you could please report all the actions and what you said back then to clarify this
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I didn't know of this incident, but you really seem to be overlooking/ignoring the fact that electronic devices CANNOT be used during a match. It sounds like all you're trying to do is rules-lawyer that the judges made a bad ruling when in fact they did not. It is also ridiculous to suggest a player at this stage of a game would not already know the contents of their deck
 
Slimey, the judges themself said that <(They) blew it>, they admitted themselves, them includes the Head Judge.
Concerning the content of the deck, what if a player doesn't know what's in his prizes?
My point is not that the player does not know what's left in the deck, but that he gets more chances to draw the card he wants and needs since there is less cards in the deck. It makes a difference if he puts the 3 cards back before doing Claydol and Roseanne's Research.

That's why I'm asking Andrew himself to explain what happened clearly to have both version including the judge's version.

The timer does not affect the going of the match. He could probably get a Warning too and move on like if it never happened.
 
Youko said:
Concerning Night Maintenance, I would totally use Night Maintenance to get nothing back, in order to liberate some space in my hand probably.
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But if you use it and have the cards in your discard pile then you must take at least one energy or one pokemon and shuffle it into your deck. You also have to say how many in total you are getting before you use it or you must take three if there are three there.
 
Also, the discard pile is public, so it's illegal to play it and choose to shuffle in zero cards.
 
I was the Head Judge in the Masters Division at Canadian Nationals. I have to agree that this is one of the most confusing threads I have ever read. I have no knowledge of the incident they are referring to and I certainly did not admit to making any mistakes!:eek:

I want to give respect to 2 players who really impressed me at this tournament with their attitude, sportsmanship and their incredible skill level. I sat and watched their games in the top cut and I became a big fan of both players. Coincidentally, they both got eliminated in the final four. Sebastian C and Gordon C (slimy grimy and grandma joner, I believe) you should be very proud of yourselves and what you accomplished on Saturday.

I also want to give big props to the 2 judges who worked with me, Steve P and Garret D. They are both PTOs here in Canada and it was an honour and a priviledge for me to be part of a team with you. We worked 16 straight hours on Saturday, without leaving the 2nd floor of the hotel. Think about that!
 
LOL I remeber you David Huynh (at least I think I do)

I am Dexter actually not John and we Played a game which actually had a night maintenance ruling in it ... you tried to play one with nothing in your deck which wasn't allowed ... you still won but it was very close :)


Gordon and Sebastion are easily the best players in Canada. They both are extremely nice,respectful, and amazingly skilled at Pokemon. I am glad that they will be representing us at worlds 2009.
 
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Lucario you were part of the people surrounding me and the other judge including Marvin when I explained the whole thing, I don't know why you would say such things. You were sitting at the computer and you said that it was a terrible ruling and a terrible situation, that you don't think there will be any changes anyway but it was a bad ruling.

Both players were awesome, I did not say that Andrew was a cheater or anything, only talking about how things happened at that moment. Losing in such conditions makes it very frustrating.
And I totally understand that all the judges were really tired, they did their best and sometimes mistakes happens. It would have ended more softly if a one game rematch was allowed =p.

Dark Toxicroak : Yes Dexter, I faced you at the 7th round. Sorry about the rough finishing though, I could've brought out Luxray LV X (which had gain + a L energy) for your Claydol and put Crobat for the win as well.

To the winners, best of luck at the World, bring home 1st place for Canada.
 
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