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Charizard/Infernape Deck (Post-HGSS)

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Pokemon (24)

3-2-3 Charizard AR
2-1-2 Typhlosion Prime
3-1 Infernape 4 Lv. X
2-2 Ninetales HGSS
1-1 Blissey PT
1 Azelf LA

Trainers/Supporters (22)

4 Rare Candy
4 Bebe's Search
4 Roseanne's Research
3 Fisherman
2 Expert Belt
2 Energy Gain
2 Vs. Seeker
1 Luxury Ball

Energies (14)

14 Fire

Deck Total: 60

Charizard and Infernape 4 Lv. X are the main attackers in the deck,
while Typhlosion Prime gets Fire energies back with Afterburner the Blissey PT tech is in to help get around it with Nurse Call to remove damage counters.

Ninetales HGSS helps boost Charizard AR's attack with Fire Formation while being the draw engine in the deck, discarding Fire energies then getting them back with Fisherman to draw more cards and Vs. Seeker helps get back Fisherman or a different Supporter If needed.

Energy Gain is for Infernape 4 Lv. X to Fire Spin sooner for 100, Azelf LA is in incase I need to get Infernape 4 Lv. X out of my prizes with Time Walk. And that is the gist of how the deck works so far currently or my aim for it at least.

Any help, advice, or suggestions are greatly appreciated...
 
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Yeah that makes sense, what about taking both Uxie and Azelf out for a 1-0-1 Exploud SV line to help get around :water: Weakness? Or is it not worth it in this deck cause I already run 3 Stage 2 lines as it is...

There's not very many Water decks in my meta unless Feraligatr Prime becomes popular which I've yet to see.
 
I have this deck and its pretty good but mine runs a 2-1 Staraptor lvl x to help is consitency.

Typhlosion is very unnecessary. 1 fisherman will handle all the energy problems you will have.
 
The idea is nice except that Staraptor FB Lv. X isn't a :fire: Type so it would hurt the damage output from Charizard AR's Fire Formation to dish the most damage. Btw what should I take out for Fisherman?

Wouldn't I be better off with a 2-1 Blaziken FB Lv. X line instead of
2-1 Staraptor FB Lv. X? That way I could run Memory Berry over Expert Belt and attach them to Charizard AR and Infernape PT to utilize Fire Fang from Charmeleon SW and Monferno MD to Burn my Opponent's Active Pokemon and with Blaziken FB Lv. X on my bench I'd be able to deal 40 more damage due to Burning Spirit.

I also still keep thinking that a 1-1 or 2-2 Heatran Lv. X line would hurt this deck's consistency due to getting the X on the bench and Level Max is only a 50/50 chance. Maybe instead of 2-1 Blaziken FB Lv. X perhaps a 1-1-1 Blaziken PT or GE line would be more sufficient? The SP version seems to be the better version though in some cases.
 
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No Heatran...its retreat cost makes it very bad.

Inernape's splitbomb helps damage out put. All you really need to be doing with Charizard is 80. combined with Infernape's splitbomb makes any more alittle overkill.

Staraptor adds consitency allowing you to get that 80 damage out fast enough. I would get rid if the felicity's and the stark's mountain to put in 4 cyrus.

Ohhhhh... I get it... you arnt running Infernape SP.... which is by far better. The not SP ape has absolutely no snergy with charizard while the SP one has the ability to split bomb which is a highly underrated attack. With split bomb, you can set up easier kills without having an entierly fire bench. I belive a hybrid sp engine using staraptor just makes the deck more consistant. With the hybrid SP engine, using energy gains and cyrus, you can deal big damage with 1 energy.

(This post was made by Taylor M./Dragonitegirl)
 
Yeah it's easy to get confused sometimes, I'm running the Non-SP Infernape Lv. X to try to build up enough :fire: energy in the discard pile for Flare Up doing 150 damage 170 If Expert Belt is attached to it. Infernape 4 Lv. X mainly board controls once with Intimidating Roar and 100 damage with Fire Spin, but Nidoqueen RR gets around Split Bomb with Maternal Comfort so it's a no-go IMO.

Like I said before Staraptor FB Lv. X only weakens Charizard even more, it's already bad enough I have to squeeze in a slot for Uxie LA, Azelf LA however is passable due to Time Walk's usefulness for getting prized Pokemon. Actually the Non-SP Infernape Lv. X has more synergy with Ninetales HGSS and Felicity's Drawing than Charizard AR.

Running a 3-1 Infernape 4 Lv. X line over the 2-1-2-1 Infernape Lv. X (DP) line seems alright with a 2-1 Staraptor FB Lv. X line. Sadly I already traded away my playset of Cyrus's Conspiracy's and I don't know how many Energy Gains I have left.

I'll see what I can do to work on...thanks... ;)
 
150 is overkill... no reason to need to do that much, plus the attack has a ridiculous requirement...

not everyone plays nidoqueen...you already have a decent gengar matchup seeing as how little powers you play and charizard ist endanger of dieing....

split bomb is amazing!!!!!!!!!!!

(Taylor again)

By the way...azelf is completely uneeded in a deck of this type since you actually want the bench space for something useful like a fire pokemon by your own argument. Do like we did before azelf came out and risk having something prized. Uxie can be cleared out...in order to lose the azelf you have to surrender a prize.

But to answer your original question about what to remove to put in the fisherman....dropping the azelf should help.

We have offered some ideas...Taylor does know what she is talking about...Not to tell you how your deck should be but I would suggest you give her ideas a try and see how they actually play. If they work well in play, you should keep them..if not , go back they way you originally had it...nothing to lose but few playtest games

hope our ideas help...remember...do not let anyone tell you there is one particular way to build a deck...build what is best for you
(Prof Clay)
 
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Well Azelf LA helps me get prized Lv. X's with Time Walk so it's basically needed for that purpose alone, I've already considered running Unown G over Uxie LA for helping give Infernape 4 Lv. X and Staraptor FB Lv. X protection against Machamp SF or even Gengar SF even though Gengar isn't that popular in my meta since it's varied.

Little Powers? There's a few with Ninetales' Roast Reveal and Infernape 4 Lv. X's Intimidating Roar, I kinda feel that a 1-0-1 Typhlosion Prime tech could help with the deck perhaps but If Afterburner's drawback is that bad then I could leave it out I guess...

Feels kinda weird talking to 2 people at once, but yeah I appreciate the advice. I'm just hoping the absence of the Typhlosion Prime tech was worth it in the long run If I decide to keep it out. Kinda surprised I got more help for my deck here than I did on Pojo.
 
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I see what you´re trying to do,
so it would be best if you change the 3 felicity´s into 3 BTS and cut out the Infenape line to get a
3-3 Nintales(2 GS, 1 MT)) and a 2-1-2 Typlushion Prime line....
Infernape is not needed in this deck, because Charizard´s damage output is enough to deal with high Hp Pokemon or something like Nidoqeen, Blissey, etc.

- Hope I helped you.
 
I was implying you play without ninetails, and the level X ape isnt always out....

Staraptor in my opinion is better than ninetails on account of the fact you can search out exactly what you want. Its only a 10 damage difference, which rarely comes into play unless you 1-shot them.

Azelf isnt needed because you'd be fine without your level x's.

Decks need to be fast this format due to the fact SP decks exist... The current way you have it built seems slow an clunky. There is too much unessisary set up. You dont have to listen to my ideas, but if you want a competetive deck, you need to focus your thoughts.

This is Taylor btw... Im the one who's been posting under Prof Clay's account :)
 
This Deck is going to be awesome the ninetales is perfect I like 3-3 I will try it in the next week or so-there will be more water decks because of this-I predict-how does it do against luxchomp that uses the DCE?
 
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I was implying you play without ninetails, and the level X ape isnt always out....

Staraptor in my opinion is better than ninetails on account of the fact you can search out exactly what you want. Its only a 10 damage difference, which rarely comes into play unless you 1-shot them.

Azelf isnt needed because you'd be fine without your level x's.

Decks need to be fast this format due to the fact SP decks exist... The current way you have it built seems slow an clunky. There is too much unessisary set up. You dont have to listen to my ideas, but if you want a competetive deck, you need to focus your thoughts.

This is Taylor btw... Im the one who's been posting under Prof Clay's account :)
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Even with the HGSS supporters, Taylor, Staraptor is no Pidgeot. You'd be hoping to grab something off of your supporter just as you would off of Ninetale's draw. Granted, with the supporters out you can have a little more control over what precisely that is that they grab.

It also requires to be promoted to active to get the engine going. On the other hand, it frees up deck spaces, as there is no longer a need to run Fisherman and a padded fire count to keep the draw steady.

That having been said, I don't think 3-1 Infernape 4 is optimal. If you're going for early split-bomb damage that takes away from the speed of Charizard (and you would probably end up better off cleaning up with Fire Spin and such). If all you want is +10 damage and the Cyclone effect each turn, go with a 1-1 line.
 
i've seen this played at a prelese out here. its a very good, hard hitting deck, was hard to play against even Dark Palming didnt slow it down enough...

think Heatran Lv X would be abit better to get the energy back after its been discarded, because it goes right back to the pokemon who lost it, so you good to attack again next turn and still attach to your hand.
 
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