Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Cheating on Camera

Status
Not open for further replies.
Ideally, you should change what you do(cut, no cut, shuffle) a few times during the match. Makes it difficult for less scrupulous players to do funny business or so I've heard.
This as well. Talented cheaters/magicians can watch you cut and place a card just before where you cut. When I cut, I cut in a different part of the deck every time. Sometimes I shuffle (when I feel it is appropriate), sometimes I cut in a seemingly random location. Just try to be a step ahead of your opponent at all times. If they're cheating, you got them! If not, you're just being cute (with no detriment to the game).
 
Pooka....what have the Organizers said when you ask about videotaping? Do they embrace it, or a bit hesitant? I'm asking because the community scrutinizing videotaped matches games for cheating and slowplaying has got to be giving someone in Bellevue an ulcer.

I don't have nearly as much history with the game as many of you, so these are just the impressions of a Pokedad who has formed an opinion over the last few years. There's a part of me that says whatever happened at the table stays at the table. If it didn't get caught during the match, then there's nothing that can (or should) be done about it. If not, then these videos just offer people the opportunity for character assassination. Maybe some people have it coming it like this thread, but maybe not like the other one on slow playing.

Yeah, I know players consent to being videotaped. But think of it this way: as soon as the vulnerability afterwards overshadows the glory of being selected, players will begin to politely decline. I suspect anyone being singled out now is going to think twice the next time. And maybe by extension the Organizers won't want this issue to be part of their events.

If that's the case, I'm afraid it's not going to help your wish of "Hopefully this will become the standard for these events in the future." That's too bad, because I think these videos and commentary are excellent learning tools for the rest of us. Just think if the scrutiny from the community might be hurting the chances.


Because I do want them to succeed, I'll offer the counterargument: Spirit of the Game. I know of one instance were photographic evidence of poor player behavior resulted in discipline from P!P, so maybe there is precedent for follow-up from the authorities. But even that scenario was fairly different than analyzing recorded games after the fact for transgressions.

 
This as well. Talented cheaters/magicians can watch you cut and place a card just before where you cut. When I cut, I cut in a different part of the deck every time. Sometimes I shuffle (when I feel it is appropriate), sometimes I cut in a seemingly random location. Just try to be a step ahead of your opponent at all times. If they're cheating, you got them! If not, you're just being cute (with no detriment to the game).

Yes, rather than cut/don't cut, you should vary where you cut.

You should always, always cut. I cut everyone I play, even Creatures employees.
 
The way I do it to force myself to cut non-predictably is to take the value of the last dice roll, add the round number (using base six so it rolls over above 6) and then cut at the x/6th location approximately of my opponents deck. This is pseudo random enough for me, and so long as your vary your exact modifier, it works wonders.
 
Pooka....what have the Organizers said when you ask about videotaping? Do they embrace it, or a bit hesitant? I'm asking because the community scrutinizing videotaped matches games for cheating and slowplaying has got to be giving someone in Bellevue an ulcer.


Just offering my own opinion as a judge.
I'd rather catch the cheating myself, but if I miss it, I'd rather it be caught some other way than not caught at all.

Video allows you to replay and watch things multiple times.
That is an advantage that the judge doesn't have at the table, so it's not an equal opportunity to catch things.
 
I was judging masters at PA Regionals and had a young-ish (15, 16?) master catch me after his match in round 7 (of 9). He was concerned about his opponent in the round just finished. He was concerned about how dice were being rolled, his opponent's pace of play and being rushed by his opponent during his turn. It was really frustrating to have to tell him that he had recourse for ALL of these complaints - if only he had called a judge during the match. The player's comment to me was "I didn't want to seem like a jerk."

Same as cut/no cut - what your opponent thinks about you is not the real important part of the game. Playing well, being satisfied that you did your best (that you won - or lost - based on the merits of play, not gamesmanship or shady play) is what Spirit of the Game is about.

The fact that a player on camera engaged in these shady tactics speaks to the need for more active judging, in my opinion - and a more organized way to assign judges particularly to top tables in big tournaments. Yes, judges should have caught this, but that they weren't able to is not a suprise. Take 300+ players (that's 150 tables) divided by 8 judges - and you don't get much coverage, unfortunately.
 
Having wrecked at least one (well known from what I was told) cheater's day at regionals myself by shuffling his deck, I really look forward to recorded matches taking these guys out of the game. It's a step in the right direction - and there's a lot more cheating in Pokemon than people want to believe. We need to use every tool we have.
 
And to answer your question: Yes, he really is that stupid. I've only heard bad things about Newman since Nintendo took over in 2003. This is more proof of him not being a person we want in our game and in our tournaments. I hope he gets banned for life.
 
If only TCG was on a handheld. Then cheating wouldn't be an issue because then it would be literally impossible to cheat at all. Look at VGC how are you suppose to cheat? Its nearby impossible to do so.
 
If only TCG was on a handheld. Then cheating wouldn't be an issue because then it would be literally impossible to cheat at all. Look at VGC how are you suppose to cheat? Its nearby impossible to do so.

Like Yugioh with their battle kiosks? Would be kinda cool :thumb:
 
Ryan Soles is one of the coolest guys in the game.

I'm so glad he ended up winning
 
Watched the video. I don't think there can be any doubt about what went on there.

Very, very scummy, and very very stupid. So glad they were caught on camera.
 
If only TCG was on a handheld. Then cheating wouldn't be an issue because then it would be literally impossible to cheat at all. Look at VGC how are you suppose to cheat? Its nearby impossible to do so.

Tournament ID switcheroo. It's mostly likely what got us a Contrary Regigigas at Ontario Regionals back in April. Also, due to judge inexperience, the guy was not disqualified (not sure if he was penalized, everyone I know dropped and walked out at that point). Hacking in VGC is possible, it takes some advanced computer skills, but can be done.

No idea if anything happened there this year; I doubt it, VERY few people showed up, and Nationals is cancelled now.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top