Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Colored Borders

Here is the problem I have with all this. Keep in mind I would never mark any of my cards as I see it as taking value away from them. I have always heard the rule was that you could color cards as long as you did not cover any text of the card. It seems if the entire decks are bordered then it is not marked. If it can be proved that types of cards were darker than other in a pattern then I would see a problem of course but if they were just trying to look cool then I think the penalty was harsh.

I have no problem with PUI coming up with a new rule but I just want to know ahead of time. Two years ago Carson spent a week coloring a deck he was using with his mothers art pens. I was not happy to see my Mew Stars with colored eyes and such but it made him happy...LOL. At Nats it was one of Carson's opponents that was DQd in one of the early rounds and he even called over the judges to ask about the deck before starting the game as his friend had been DQd in the round before. Carson was relieved that he did not have any of his colored energy cards in his deck at the time and we were both confused by the ruling.

There also seemed to be a change in the ruling on sleeves this year. Did I hear right that the whole senior divsion got a warning for sleeves and some got prize penalties? Grafton had new sleeves on his deck and had to change the second day. I guess nine rounds was too much for them.

I have no problem with changes but we need to know about them before we get to a big event. I do not know all the details here so there might be more to the circumstances than what was "circulating" around so any insight here would help.
 
jrwaxman said:
Here is the problem I have with all this. Keep in mind I would never mark any of my cards as I see it as taking value away from them. I have always heard the rule was that you could color cards as long as you did not cover any text of the card. It seems if the entire decks are bordered then it is not marked. If it can be proved that types of cards were darker than other in a pattern then I would see a problem of course but if they were just trying to look cool then I think the penalty was harsh.

I have no problem with PUI coming up with a new rule but I just want to know ahead of time. Two years ago Carson spent a week coloring a deck he was using with his mothers art pens. I was not happy to see my Mew Stars with colored eyes and such but it made him happy...LOL. At Nats it was one of Carson's opponents that was DQd in one of the early rounds and he even called over the judges to ask about the deck before starting the game as his friend had been DQd in the round before. Carson was relieved that he did not have any of his colored energy cards in his deck at the time and we were both confused by the ruling.

There also seemed to be a change in the ruling on sleeves this year. Did I hear right that the whole senior divsion got a warning for sleeves and some got prize penalties? Grafton had new sleeves on his deck and had to change the second day. I guess nine rounds was too much for them.

I have no problem with changes but we need to know about them before we get to a big event. I do not know all the details here so there might be more to the circumstances than what was "circulating" around so any insight here would help.
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I know a LOT of seniors had to resleeve, but I'm not sure about penalties.
I got a prize loss because some of my sleeves had fingernail marks on them from either me being stressed or my opponents cutting my deck, and grasping just a little too hard. :\
What I get out of all of this is POP is becoming less lenient with these things, as they could easily be marking, and nobody likes cheaters...
 
Wergoheb said:
Here is something to think about... instead of the standard yellow border, all the borders are a bright red. You are less likely to forget an optional effect (IE: Tyrannitar) if you can see a bright(er) color staring back at you from the table.
There is NO card game in the world where this seems like an acceptable practice. You are gaining an advantage on your opponent, who does not have different colored borders.
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Fairly certain you're allowed to color in other parts of the card, so if I wanted to say, color the Tyranitar picture red to make it more noticeable, I would be allowed to do that, correct?

Another question:
Last year, I played Ho-Oh/Togekiss in a tournament. It played all the different kinds of basic energy. Some I ran 1 of, some 2. Just in case I did forget, I marked each energy with a "1" if that was the only copy of it, or "2" if I ran 2 copies of it. Is this legal?

Thanks.
 
Can someone explain why players MAY be allowed to use colored cards? I understand it if someone wants to draw on their card. No big deal; it's their property. But they shouldn't be allowed to be legal for play. Why even make it a "gray area?" Shouldn't the rule just be NO COLORED CARDS. Then there's no room for argument or all of the "Can I do this? Can I do that? What about this shade? Can I color this area but not that one?"
 
I don't think there ever was an explicit rule that allowed you to color on cards. Wasn't it more of an extension of the autograph rule?
 
Coloring on the surface of the card is not the problem.
The issue with coloring the borders is when the coloring spills off of the surface of the card and onto the edges.
The edges can be visible in the sleeves and when different cards have different markings on the edges, they are very easy to see.

As for Seniors, since Nationals is a Tier 2 event and one of the biggest two of the year, we're pretty strict in looking for markings on cards. Yes, it's almost impossible not to have markings on your cards, but one of the things that we look for are markings on key cards and patterning. Also, sleeve variation in both length and coloring.
I made a number of determinations of possible patterning and depending on details, we handed out either warnings or one-prize penalties to a number of players.
Yes, some if not all of them were probably unintentional, but understand that if I had made the determination that any of them were intentional, I would have been handing out a DQ instead.
All in all, I feel the way we handled deck issues in Seniors was very generous.
And for the record, it was about a third to a half of the decks, not all of them.

An importing thing to look out for: Any card that has a bend in it will "mark" the sleeve that it is in after even 4 or 5 rounds of play due to normal wear and abrasion during play.
 
Why would you even risk it at such a big event? I know people who go as far as to buy brand new sleeves at every event out of fear of getting DQ'd. I don't see why you'd want to risk it at a big event like Nationals, y'know?

Just my opinion.
 
Chairman Kaga said:
In casino cheating circles the technique is referred to as "edge reading". An imperfection visible on the edge of the card creates a situation where the card can be identified while it sits in the deck.

Try it yourself -- take a stack of Pokemon commons. Take one and use a Sharpie on one edge of it. Then shuffle it into the stack. Your edge mark is still visible so you can tell exactly where in the stack your card is.
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I took a stack of common, 20, and colored 3 with silver sharpie, and then sleeved them in black ultra-pros.

I couldn't see any distinction.

I dont understand this ruling at all.
 
ryanvergel said:
I took a stack of common, 20, and colored 3 with silver sharpie, and then sleeved them in black ultra-pros.

I couldn't see any distinction.

I dont understand this ruling at all.
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Ryan: The Masters HJ demonstrated how he was able to pull out specific cards from a deck that was DQ'd, again and again. It's possible you didn't do it right. Or maybe I should say, you didn't do it "wrong".
 
you have to flip the deck upside down and bang it onto the table to make the cards fall to the top of the sleeve. I used nidoking sleeves and thats how i became the first person dq'd at US nats '09. Nowadays with all the cardsharking going on, thanks to the few who actually do cheat to create a need for these rules, dont bother taking any of these risks. i lost 3 claydols, 3 roseannes, 4-5 bebes i forget, and multiple other cards to this ruling, and now i wont even let people autograph them for fun. Just dont do it. You gain a "potential advantage" and be dq'd from any tournament now.
For the record, i dont agree with the ruling, i think its really stupid. But it's not our call to make, so just play by the rules so you wont everhave to fight to stay in a tournament you could have a great shot at doing well at, even going 3-0 or watching all your friends with the same deck go top top 128 or 64 with ease. I tried to be a little silly, and whatdya know my first year in masters i get my potential rankings invite taken away, being set back 30 points and being unable to gain.

Just play with normal cards, i hear art is banned on cards as of sometime soon when im in camp.
 
Bellawesome said:
you have to flip the deck upside down and bang it onto the table to make the cards fall to the top of the sleeve. I used nidoking sleeves and thats how i became the first person dq'd at US nats '09. Nowadays with all the cardsharking going on, thanks to the few who actually do cheat to create a need for these rules, dont bother taking any of these risks. i lost 3 claydols, 3 roseannes, 4-5 bebes i forget, and multiple other cards to this ruling, and now i wont even let people autograph them for fun. Just dont do it. You gain a "potential advantage" and be dq'd from any tournament now.
For the record, i dont agree with the ruling, i think its really stupid. But it's not our call to make, so just play by the rules so you wont everhave to fight to stay in a tournament you could have a great shot at doing well at, even going 3-0 or watching all your friends with the same deck go top top 128 or 64 with ease. I tried to be a little silly, and whatdya know my first year in masters i get my potential rankings invite taken away, being set back 30 points and being unable to gain.

Just play with normal cards, i hear art is banned on cards as of sometime soon when im in camp.
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Since you are posting here, lets be clear here. Your deck was the easiest DQ call of the 3 in the MAs that day. the ONLY cards colored RED on the edges were your set up cards.....Claydols, RC, Bebes, rose's. They were very easy to cherry pick these cards out of the deck.

Keith
 
Draw inside the picture people.
I am surprised this hasn't come up until NOW, because there were many CCs, BRs NOT just in my area but in other places that sharpied their borders. I never really thought anything off it, one guy here did to every card in his deck.

I know a LOT of seniors had to resleeve,
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Please note: I did start With New sleeves at US NATS:
I have replaced my overly used claydol too xD..

I had to re sleeve my claydol for some reason and I had brand new sleeves (started with them).
Sleeves get used even during tournaments even if they are brand new at the beginning.
Bring 120+ Sleeves this is what I do, it never fails.
Also you can make friends this way to my r1 oppoent was a new player and I gave him 65 sleeves (5 extra just incase 1 tears)

MIA COOK: Do you have extra Sleeves?
ME: OF COURSE!

I got a caution for having a "worn" sleeve that held a "worn" claydol, assistant head judge came over made me re sleeve that was it.
By the way my opponent seemed utterly confused because he looked at it too later (after judges left) and swears it wasn't worn or marked.

I was asked if I could possibly change out claydols and I had no problem with this.
I got another claydol easily from a friend.

Some Cards are obviousy are going to be more used than others in your deck I mean you can easily t2-3 Claydol and Not need to use all your Rare Candies. So some sleeves/cards will have more wear that others/ even if you start with new skleeves..
 
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PokePop said:
Ryan: The Masters HJ demonstrated how he was able to pull out specific cards from a deck that was DQ'd, again and again. It's possible you didn't do it right. Or maybe I should say, you didn't do it "wrong".
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Better technique probably.
 
Lawman said:
Since you are posting here, lets be clear here. Your deck was the easiest DQ call of the 3 in the MAs that day. the ONLY cards colored RED on the edges were your set up cards.....Claydols, RC, Bebes, rose's. They were very easy to cherry pick these cards out of the deck.

Keith
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I understand why i was considered "given a potential advantage". Im not disagreeing with a call any judge made. As a matter of fact, the judges are most consistent when handing these penalties. Its the fact that given my situation, having brought a deck to nats and worlds 08 with almost the exact same cards bordered that way, save for the addition of the gardylade line that way, and not being penalized or even checked for it coupled with the fact that i didnt even know how to expose those cards AND lost my first and only swiss round that made me question the rule itself. I would have been okay with being let off with a game loss and having to replace the cards at the severest. It's ridiculous that i should have had to be dq'd for such silly cardsharking. If it werent too late, seeing as now borders arent allowed at all, i would have expected a modification to this rule. Its just to severe for a freakin CHILD's card game.

Ill reiterate, i dont disagree with any judge or ruling made by one. Any judges i have a problem with are for different reasons. Im merely stating that in that situation, i disagree with the rule itself. Only one penalty, being a DQ?? And being, and i quote "for a POTENTIAL advantage gained?!?!? Really guys? I cant see where anyone would agree with just saying, " Oh you could cheat if you wanted to.... so uh... im gonna dq you from us nats 09. have a nice day." ANYONE CAN CHEAT.
 
Bellawesome said:
I understand why i was considered "given a potential advantage". Im not disagreeing with a call any judge made. As a matter of fact, the judges are most consistent when handing these penalties. Its the fact that given my situation, having brought a deck to nats and worlds 08 with almost the exact same cards bordered that way, save for the addition of the gardylade line that way, and not being penalized or even checked for it coupled with the fact that i didnt even know how to expose those cards AND lost my first and only swiss round that made me question the rule itself. I would have been okay with being let off with a game loss and having to replace the cards at the severest. It's ridiculous that i should have had to be dq'd for such silly cardsharking. If it werent too late, seeing as now borders arent allowed at all, i would have expected a modification to this rule. Its just to severe for a freakin CHILD's card game.

Ill reiterate, i dont disagree with any judge or ruling made by one. Any judges i have a problem with are for different reasons. Im merely stating that in that situation, i disagree with the rule itself. Only one penalty, being a DQ?? And being, and i quote "for a POTENTIAL advantage gained?!?!? Really guys? I cant see where anyone would agree with just saying, " Oh you could cheat if you wanted to.... so uh... im gonna dq you from us nats 09. have a nice day." ANYONE CAN CHEAT.
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Okay, look here... I'm sorry you got DQ'd, I know you weren't cheating, but for all we know you could have been. When you are 3-0 it is within possibility that you could have been cheating that whole time. We'll never know.

They didn't want to take the chance. Coloring cards has always been a pretty risque practice, when I drew on my Baltoys I was scared to death I was going to get DQ'd, but thought it was within reason... but hitting the edge of the borders is a whole other tale, and I'm sure you considered the risks before doing it.
Fact of the matter is, you took a risk, you learned a lesson, it won't happen again. Once again, I'm terribly sorry you took that trip out there to be DQ'd.
 
Phazon Elite said:
I do agree.

Worst part is, he colored on Rev. Foil Uxies and Claydols.

It makes me weep just thinking about it . . .
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oooooooooooooooooooo ..... I'm weeping right now.... :frown:

But... then...

I remember the hat I saw at NATS that was made completely of REVERSE FOIL ENERGIES... and I suddenly feel better... :cool:

Coloring Cards: People do this to have something a little "different" and get some sense of expressing personality. I think they need to use the colored cards in Fun Decks and show up to the dance with clean cards and clean sleeves.
 
Rogue Archetype said:
Coloring Cards: People do this to have something a little "different" and get some sense of expressing personality. I think they need to use the colored cards in Fun Decks and show up to the dance with clean cards and clean sleeves.
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Coloring cards is fun. I LOVE coloring cards (afro on Baltoy, facial hair on my whole Machamp line, etc), and it is definitely allowed in most cases if the picture is still identifiable. The borders are just iffy, though.
 
Bellawesome said:
For the record, i dont agree with the ruling, i think its really stupid. But it's not our call to make, so just play by the rules so you wont everhave to fight to stay in a tournament you could have a great shot at doing well at, even going 3-0 or watching all your friends with the same deck go top top 128 or 64 with ease. I tried to be a little silly, and whatdya know my first year in masters i get my potential rankings invite taken away, being set back 30 points and being unable to gain.
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Bellawesome said:
I understand why i was considered "given a potential advantage". Im not disagreeing with a call any judge made. As a matter of fact, the judges are most consistent when handing these penalties.

Ill reiterate, i dont disagree with any judge or ruling made by one. Any judges i have a problem with are for different reasons. Im merely stating that in that situation, i disagree with the rule itself.
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Jon -

Way to take the high road.

I think that everyone needs to learn a lesson hear. Don't color the borders. Period. To earn a DQ for marked cards, you are not CHEATING. Cheating is cheating and there is only one answer for that - DQ. The penalty is for Marked Cards, Severe. Tier 1: Game Loss; Tier 2: DQ. As you stated, "given a potenital advantange".

You are from my area, New England. I have deck checked you multiple times and did not have issue, at the time. Maybe that is a failing on my part for I did not see how the potential advantage could be gained until Nats. I learn.

However, I stand by the ruling, as presented at Nats, 100%. It was an unfortunate situation. You have never been penalized for cheating and everybody here needs to know that. As you know, if you were, we'd catch your butt. :biggrin:

Lessons learned everybody.
 
Stigma said:
I know a LOT of seniors had to resleeve, but I'm not sure about penalties.
I got a prize loss because some of my sleeves had fingernail marks on them from either me being stressed or my opponents cutting my deck, and grasping just a little too hard. :\
What I get out of all of this is POP is becoming less lenient with these things, as they could easily be marking, and nobody likes cheaters...
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The Seniors Judging Staff (which I was not one of) did an OUTSTANDING job at this year's Nats. Card sleeves become worn and cuffed and may I dare say:wink:, marked during the course of the event. For those of you who beat the tar out of your cards, you should resleeve every 3 or so rounds. Sounds silly and cost too much money? It's better than the alternative. I am talking here as a parent whose son had to resleeve this year at Nats, Seniors, T32.

Marked cards are problematic for ALL involved. If you are going to worlds, resleeve every 3 rounds. Just tell a judge before hand. And, just don't resleeve one or two cards, do them all. The brand new sleeves will stand out against the "used" sleeves and that too could be a pattern of marking.

Regards
 
I played againsted someone who colored his unown g picture completely black, and I couldn't see it and shadow roomed it
 
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