Darkrai EX
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Great discussion guys.
Just make sure that:
1) You talk card strategy and not attack each other.
2) You focus on what CARDS can do and don't get too upset if there is a disagreement.
Some people have BIG plans for Darkrai EX (self included). It's a splashable tech that helps avoid some lock stuff and eliminates the fear of using heavy hitters that have huge retreat costs.
Personally, I like the POTENTIAL of the card.
Just make sure that:
1) You talk card strategy and not attack each other.
2) You focus on what CARDS can do and don't get too upset if there is a disagreement.
Some people have BIG plans for Darkrai EX (self included). It's a splashable tech that helps avoid some lock stuff and eliminates the fear of using heavy hitters that have huge retreat costs.
Personally, I like the POTENTIAL of the card.
PhadedPhione
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Preorder price hit 50$ so someone somewhere is already trying to use the card. I don't care about it for similar reasons already stated in the previous posts. Specifically the one involving silver bullets.
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Otaku
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Technically this could also be due to speculators. The way I understand it, sites like Troll and Toad throw up a starting pre-order for like $X and once they sell a certain number of copies at that level, they add like $5 to the asking price for the next level of pre-orders. From what another poster said, it is a pretty low amount at the beginning, like one of a card for $10.
Speculators are looking to turn a quick, easy profit flipping cards. There is enough hype that savvy speculators probably ordered at least one of each Pokemon EX from this set since even if it turns out no one else was interested, the base rarity would ensure that opening value was about right. Any card that people have felt showed potential then becomes easy profit...
...and too many people assume price directly translates into power, so even when speculators are done, people who just don't know how to shop still go into a feeding frenzy thinking "its expensive! It must be really powerful!" as opposed to speculation or simply "its rare". >_<
Speculators are looking to turn a quick, easy profit flipping cards. There is enough hype that savvy speculators probably ordered at least one of each Pokemon EX from this set since even if it turns out no one else was interested, the base rarity would ensure that opening value was about right. Any card that people have felt showed potential then becomes easy profit...
...and too many people assume price directly translates into power, so even when speculators are done, people who just don't know how to shop still go into a feeding frenzy thinking "its expensive! It must be really powerful!" as opposed to speculation or simply "its rare". >_<
psychup2034
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Darkrai EX and Tornadus EX are raking in successful tournament performances in Japan. Part of the price hike is undoubtedly contributed by speculators, but also by those people with above 35 CPs fighting for a worlds invite. Battle Roads is ridiculously important this season, and not having some of the most dominant cards in the Japanese format could hurt.
Personally, I ordered 3 Darkrai EX when they were $30, and I'll be sure to order 3 Tornadus EX when they become available.
To put this in perspective, I'm going to spend about $250 on Dark Explorers. If this investment helps me get an invite to Worlds, then it will all be worthwhile. If this investment doesn't get me into worlds, at least I know that I tried my hardest and gave myself the best chance to win.
Otaku
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Thank you for putting things into perspective psychup2034, and touching upon what I really shouldn't have left out: competitive players who are just adjusting for what was seen in Japan.
I guess I should be honest: given my love of buy/sell/trading cards, if I had the disposable income (or income to invest in taking a hobby into 'small business' range), I'd happily visit any site following the Troll and Toad example and buy up the cheap versions of the rares. Unless the cards are truly awful (and anyone with a basic understanding of the game and/or paying attention to Japan can anticipate that fairly easily), worst case scenario is I break even trading or selling them for what I paid.
Anything else and I turn a profit. Plus if the card skyrockets, I even can take the "cheap" copies I bought via pre-order and sell them as "fantastic deals" below the current rate but still above what I paid for them. Imagine if someone pre-ordres five to 10 copies of a card like Darkrai EX for between $5 and $20 ASAP. Now that its inflated to $50, even before the cards are here, someone could flip them at $40 for a bargain.
A store seller could start a summer campaign where they "guarantee low prices*" Where the "*" is a clause stating prices and availability are applied weekly or monthly, and it is only guaranteed through the summer. If I don't take reserves for out of stock product, I can have people constantly hitting my site for when I post the new week's allotment of cards, and probably get a lot more traffic and sales for it.
And of course there is eBay with "free rush shipping" before a major tournament.
I guess I should be honest: given my love of buy/sell/trading cards, if I had the disposable income (or income to invest in taking a hobby into 'small business' range), I'd happily visit any site following the Troll and Toad example and buy up the cheap versions of the rares. Unless the cards are truly awful (and anyone with a basic understanding of the game and/or paying attention to Japan can anticipate that fairly easily), worst case scenario is I break even trading or selling them for what I paid.
Anything else and I turn a profit. Plus if the card skyrockets, I even can take the "cheap" copies I bought via pre-order and sell them as "fantastic deals" below the current rate but still above what I paid for them. Imagine if someone pre-ordres five to 10 copies of a card like Darkrai EX for between $5 and $20 ASAP. Now that its inflated to $50, even before the cards are here, someone could flip them at $40 for a bargain.
A store seller could start a summer campaign where they "guarantee low prices*" Where the "*" is a clause stating prices and availability are applied weekly or monthly, and it is only guaranteed through the summer. If I don't take reserves for out of stock product, I can have people constantly hitting my site for when I post the new week's allotment of cards, and probably get a lot more traffic and sales for it.
And of course there is eBay with "free rush shipping" before a major tournament.
ChadtheDragonLord
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One other point about pre-order pricing that no one has mentioned - the speed at which the cards sell.
Let's say the card dealer has three cards pre-order priced at $10 each - cards X,Y, and Z
Now suppose card X takes a week to get 10 orders, card Y takes one day to get 10 orders, and card Z takes an hour to get 10 orders.
What new price should these three cards have?
X may stay at $10, Y may jump to $15, and Z may jump to $20 or more. What if they sell 10 copies of card Z in 10 minutes? What if they sell out the 10 and 30 more people are on the waiting list the same day? If the cards sell out as soon as they are put on sale they know the demand is high and the new price will reflect that. If the card doesn't sell at the new price and no orders are taken they'll just lower the price slightly until it sells again. That's how every card seller operates. I know because I used to be in the baseball card business. That's how supply and demand works. So if you think the price is too high then don't order any, the price will come down. But if other people keep buying them then the price will stay up there. It isn't the seller's fault people buy the card at the higher price.
Let's say the card dealer has three cards pre-order priced at $10 each - cards X,Y, and Z
Now suppose card X takes a week to get 10 orders, card Y takes one day to get 10 orders, and card Z takes an hour to get 10 orders.
What new price should these three cards have?
X may stay at $10, Y may jump to $15, and Z may jump to $20 or more. What if they sell 10 copies of card Z in 10 minutes? What if they sell out the 10 and 30 more people are on the waiting list the same day? If the cards sell out as soon as they are put on sale they know the demand is high and the new price will reflect that. If the card doesn't sell at the new price and no orders are taken they'll just lower the price slightly until it sells again. That's how every card seller operates. I know because I used to be in the baseball card business. That's how supply and demand works. So if you think the price is too high then don't order any, the price will come down. But if other people keep buying them then the price will stay up there. It isn't the seller's fault people buy the card at the higher price.
thepliskin5005
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Darkri ex will be amazing in dark decks. It could do ninty or more to mewtwo ex and it can do thirty to a celbi. And darki hase resistnce to psychich......but im not sure this is the reason people are excited for darkri. Its probaly because darkri is a popluer pokemon.
And darkri ex will be good in the truth with prim energys and rainbow energys.
And darkri ex will be good in the truth with prim energys and rainbow energys.
raw19
Active Member
That statement might hold true for the majority, I don't know. As for me, I barely like Darkrai. *shrugs* He never really impressed me much, card-wise, videogame-wise, or anime-wise. I like Sharpedo far less, but had they made him a basic and given him these abilities, i'd play him just the same.
What in the world are you comparing this card to? There is no way you can judge a particular card fairly by comparing it it anything but it's previous card releases.
At least many of the new :dark: Pokemon can work well with other cards released already. Sure, weakness is a problem, but I am sure if there was no weakness, people would still find something to complain about. Also, they finally will have some pretty good support, so I do not see the problem.
Now, Darkrai EX is pretty good, all things considered. It's HP is excellent for a basic, and along with many other EX Pokemon (excluding Mewtwo EX), is well balanced for the format. Its attack is quite good and the bench sniping aspect piques my interest. Could work well with Mandibuzz. Who knows? Perhaps along with other cards released in the set and some future releases, there will be an end to the childish "Mewtwo Wars."
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Cool_Porygonz
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I'd like to point out that a lot of cards have this problem, but if people can stuff Vileplumes in decks to stop Item usage then you definitely can fit a 2-1-1 Leavanny for weakness problems. I see some great decks happening with this card! Especially with Leavanny because their abilities both revolve around energy
!I'd like to point out that a lot of cards have this problem, but if people can stuff Vileplumes in decks to stop Item usage then you definitely can fit a 2-1-1 Leavanny for weakness problems. I see some great decks happening with this card! Especially with Leavanny because their abilities both revolve around energy
Man, Leavanny + Darkrai EX + (whatever else) could be nasty! I like the way you think. Originally, I thought the ability only worked with :grass: but I see the light now. May implement that into my Heal Deck... *maniacal laughter*
Otaku
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There is a difference between backing something with Vileplume and backing something with any other currently legal Stage 2 Pokemon: Vileplume protects itself from Pokemon Catcher as a side effect of its other capabilities). The mixed blessing of something like Leavanny is that it will only protect you one turn if the protection is worthwhile: your opponent will simply force it out and push for a OHKO (and in this format, it isn't much of a push).
If your opponent isn't forcing Leavanny up front, they simply aren't worried about hitting Weakness and thus Leavanny may not be needed.
If your opponent isn't forcing Leavanny up front, they simply aren't worried about hitting Weakness and thus Leavanny may not be needed.
mewbreon
New Member
i understnad your point, as it is valid.
however, complaining about people "hyping cards" is redundant and almost completely worthless.
the only way to succeed in the game is to look ahead, talk about what is coming, and what will happen to the format because of it.
none of the good players (yourself included, i imagine) are waiting for the set to come out before they start talking about "whats good", most of them are just fortunate enough to have a strong community near their hometowns, or have personal friends who play pokemon that they can privately communicate with via cellphones/facebook/what-have-you.
not everyone has this luxury, so the gym is basically the only place where they CAN voice their concerns, questions, and opinions (isn't that the entire PURPOSE of this website?)
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ps.
buying cards on T & T in advance is brilliant.
if you're not doing it, then you are missing out.
so you don't need to complain, just conform.
King Piplup
Active Member
I think people are missing something. JPN Darkrai Reg was only 10-15 when all was said and done and the hype had settled. Mewtwo JPN Reg was 55-60 when our set came out. The two languages of cards could be used as a model to price the others.
I think Darkrai will fall in price for sure, if the JPN cards are any indication.
I think Darkrai will fall in price for sure, if the JPN cards are any indication.
Otaku
Active Member
To be fair, you had the same opportunities to pre-buy as everyone else and you have the same odds of pulling one from a booster as anyone else.
Well, fair to Nintendo, not for someone wanting to play what should be one of the more reasonable hobbies to afford. When it gets crazy high like so many "successful" TCGs, suddenly you have enough invested to try and become a tournament level video game player.
CFOURCOLTSFAN
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I'm just gonna say this-
Preordering cards is generally good but ripping off people @ PR's can work(although this is getting harder to do)
Darkrai EX isn't amazing and anyone who has spent more than 30 dollars per has wasted money b/c the deck is not as great as it is hyped to be.
Preordering cards is generally good but ripping off people @ PR's can work(although this is getting harder to do)
Darkrai EX isn't amazing and anyone who has spent more than 30 dollars per has wasted money b/c the deck is not as great as it is hyped to be.
raw19
Active Member
That just sounds so horribly wrong.
ProfessorJacob7
New Member
Very bad spirit of the game, my poor misguided friend.