C'mon man, you cannot actually believe this can you? Like Alex said, if there is no reason to do it then why are you doing it? You know full well why you are doing it - you want to "fix the issue" (in your own words).
"Declumping" a Deck
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C'mon man, you cannot actually believe this can you? Like Alex said, if there is no reason to do it then why are you doing it? You know full well why you are doing it - you want to "fix the issue" (in your own words).
Moss Factor
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What is the point of de-clumping if it does not affect the game in any way (note, if it affects the game, it means someone gains an advantage)?
Note: I am asking this question rhetorically so that you'll self-evidently come to realize the error of your ways. I know the answer to the question.
vaporeon
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Because the player feels better about not having 3 rare candies together. That's all it does.
HurricaneWarty
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Has anyone noticed the title of this thread? The word "declumping" is in quotes for a reason: IT DOES NOT EXIST. If everyone would realize when they use the world "declumping" or "declump" in their sentences, they actually are saying stack or stacking. Go back to all of your arguments, replace the made up action that does not exist in this game, put the correct word in there, and tell me you still believe yourself. And if you want to go back to your argument of "my opponent shuffles my deck so what does it matter" this now means you're ok with using the amount of time needed (5% as pointed out before) to completely randomize your deck again. Congrats, you now are ok with stalling and otherwise playing the clock to gain an advantage in your match. Cheating is cheating, no matter how you can justify it to yourself.
Ugh, I'm gunna be so bitter when he finally caves and realizes that he is wrong, only to reply with "LEVELED SO HARD."
Why do you feel better?
Why do you feel better?
Ness
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Oh my Gothitelle, you are my hero.
DragonairMaster8
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The entire point of it is to gain an advantage.
If something has no point, why do it?
If you're doing it to make yourself potentially draw better: you're cheating.
If you're doing it to burn time on the clock: you're cheating.
If you're doing it just for the sake of doing it because you are so bored you have nothing else to do in the middle of a game of Pokemon: please leave the tournament venue and never return.
I don't understand how non-black and white this is.
If something has no point, why do it?
If you're doing it to make yourself potentially draw better: you're cheating.
If you're doing it to burn time on the clock: you're cheating.
If you're doing it just for the sake of doing it because you are so bored you have nothing else to do in the middle of a game of Pokemon: please leave the tournament venue and never return.
I don't understand how non-black and white this is.
Psychoflood
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Wait, so your new argument is that you declump to make yourself feel better?
Ness
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The reasons you posted earlier admitted you were attempting to manipulate the hands you drew from the deck. I think you're finally starting to get it, because you're shying away from that original idea you had where you endorsed manipulating your deck to produce better hands...
Are we getting through to you? Or did we all just get leveled back to the stone age?
Unless the decks involved were net-decked
Ness
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You cheated. We just negate the effects of your cheating by shuffling. It's like kicking your golf ball into the fairway. We just kick it back to where it was.
vaporeon
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Of course fine sir.
LionheartEX
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Surely you have to have been trolling this entire time. But to make sure people don't believe your horrible propaganda:
There is an Advantage to be gained, or a Disadvantage to be had. In both cases, this should be enough for you to say "Hang on, 'declumping' is wrong."
Advantage: You have manually changed the order of the cards in your deck. Without use of a card effect might I add. To you this may not be cheating, but it is. You're attempting to manipulate probability where you should not be doing so. Of course, you would respond with the argument "Once I shuffle the deck, all the declumping I've done won't matter anyway" (And yes, I've seen multiple people type this).
Which brings me to the Disadvantage: By acknowledging the fact that all the declumping you did won't matter, then it serves no purpose to do so, correct? Therefore, you are wasting time - i.e, Stalling, and potentially disadvantaging your opponent, thus giving you an upper edge (As it were, you'd be getting an Advantage! See what I did there?).
In either case, whether you are manipulating probability when you shouldn't be, or stalling, it's Cheating!
Ness
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I refrained from saying it was stalling and simply said it was wasting time because I don't think the rules list what a player can and can't do to their deck while searching it as long as they do it the allowed amount of time (which is a big ambiguous). I wish the stalling rules could cover this, but as PokePop pointed out, it's difficult to prove someone is stacking the deck. They can simply say "Oh, I was just making my choice on which Pokemon to choose, and I changed my mind," or something similar.
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LionheartEX
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Ultimately though, if you're delaying the process just to 'declump' your deck, it's stalling - dancing around it doesn't change it. Rules and Excuses aside, if a player was blatantly sitting there, moving trainers and energy about for no apparent reason during a search, then as a judge you'd have to consider why s/he's doing it if not for stalling/stacking.
Sadly you are right though. It is difficult to prove.
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