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DialgaChomp; Will it continue to win in the new format?

Umbreon UD is an interesting tech against DialgaChomp. Does it run ANYTHING other than the base Dialga G that doesn't have a Pokepower or Pokebody? Because Umbreon shuts it down completely if no.

(For those who don't know)

Umbreon - Darkness - HP 90
Stage 1 - Evolves from Eevee

[D] Moonlight Fang: 30 damage. Prevent all effects of attacks, including damage, done to this Pokemon by your opponent’s Pokemon with any Poke-Powers or Poke-Bodies during your opponent’s next turn.
[D][C] Quick Attack: 30 damage. Flip a coin, if heads this attack does an additional 30 damage.

Weakness: Fighting (x2)
Resistance: Psychic (-20)
Retreat: 1

Ummm...Moonlight Fang does wayyyy too little damage, and Deafen+Flash Bite+Second Strike 2HKOs while shutting off Trainers for a turn. Cute thought, but ultimately not worth the time or space. If Moonlight Fang was 1 for 50/60 or something, then I'd say yes.

To answer the OP, besides Claydol and Unown (G), DialgaChomp loses nothing to the rotation and it gains Energy Exchange Unit, which is rather sexy for grabbing those SP Metals and DCEs early (and it makes sure that you don't draw your Basic Energies too fast; you can just shuffle them in and Cyrus for them later).
 
Dialgachomp will still be relevant, however I doubt it will be Tier 1 Caliber. With even the scare of Charizard being relevant next season as it has one of the few draw engines around, that should be more than enough to scare Dialga into submission.

I am not saying in any way shape or form that Charizard is anything above a Tier 2-3 deck, however just the fact that it exists and has a draw engine unlike most decks in the format will likely keep Dialchomp in check.
 
Dialgachomp will still be relevant, however I doubt it will be Tier 1 Caliber. With even the scare of Charizard being relevant next season as it has one of the few draw engines around, that should be more than enough to scare Dialga into submission.

I am not saying in any way shape or form that Charizard is anything above a Tier 2-3 deck, however just the fact that it exists and has a draw engine unlike most decks in the format will likely keep Dialchomp in check.

Unless theyre getting a T1 Zard, Dchomp shouldnt have that hard of a time. Garchomp just snipes away Ninetales, Charmanders, and Charmelions.
 
Dialgachomp will still be relevant, however I doubt it will be Tier 1 Caliber. With even the scare of Charizard being relevant next season as it has one of the few draw engines around, that should be more than enough to scare Dialga into submission.

I am not saying in any way shape or form that Charizard is anything above a Tier 2-3 deck, however just the fact that it exists and has a draw engine unlike most decks in the format will likely keep Dialchomp in check.

charizards a pokebody :/ im not saying that means charizard cant win, but it does hurt it a bit. I think dialgachomp will be a good deck still but man i dont know how long i can rely on quagsire gl :lol:
 
Dialgachomp will still be relevant, however I doubt it will be Tier 1 Caliber. With even the scare of Charizard being relevant next season as it has one of the few draw engines around, that should be more than enough to scare Dialga into submission.

I am not saying in any way shape or form that Charizard is anything above a Tier 2-3 deck, however just the fact that it exists and has a draw engine unlike most decks in the format will likely keep Dialchomp in check.

You are so good at this gogogo. Time Crystal + don't attack with Dialga ftw.
 
charizards a pokebody :/ im not saying that means charizard cant win, but it does hurt it a bit. I think dialgachomp will be a good deck still but man i dont know how long i can rely on quagsire gl :lol:

Lol, I run Quagsire GL in many SP decks as a Donphan counter.
 
The issue I have with Dialchomp is it just seemed so reliant on its draw power from Claydol that ever getting Special Metals in this format relying heavily on Uxies (ERL says yum prizes) is almost irrelevant enough that you're just better off with Luxchomp. Dialchomp is used for its tankability and its ability to shut down notable bodies. Whats the point if you don't ever see a SP. Metal and a Luxchomp techs Blaziken if it becomes relevant?

Don't get me wrong. I preferred Dialchomp to Luxchomp. The list is much more refined, but I've always felt that Dialchomp just needed Claydol far more than any other SP list.

You are so good at this gogogo. Time Crystal + don't attack with Dialga ftw.

Arguing your point, what exactly is stopping Zard from teching Blaze FB to drag non-attacking Dialga out? Its a fire pokemon so it only helps its damage once body goes away and it keeps non-attacking Dialga from running away like a little baby. If Dialga stays on the field it just dies.

And don't argue Quagsire. I've been seeing Exploud techs in Zard lately. (again with dialga G hanging out its irrelevant, but one doesn't typically see both Quag and Dialga in the same deck.)
 
The issue I have with Dialchomp is it just seemed so reliant on its draw power from Claydol that ever getting Special Metals in this format relying heavily on Uxies (ERL says yum prizes) is almost irrelevant enough that you're just better off with Luxchomp. Dialchomp is used for its tankability and its ability to shut down notable bodies. Whats the point if you don't ever see a SP. Metal and a Luxchomp techs Blaziken if it becomes relevant?

Don't get me wrong. I preferred Dialchomp to Luxchomp. The list is much more refined, but I've always felt that Dialchomp just needed Claydol far more than any other SP list.



Arguing your point, what exactly is stopping Zard from teching Blaze FB to drag non-attacking Dialga out? Its a fire pokemon so it only helps its damage once body goes away and it keeps non-attacking Dialga from running away like a little baby. If Dialga stays on the field it just dies.

And don't argue Quagsire. I've been seeing Exploud techs in Zard lately. (again with dialga G hanging out its irrelevant, but one doesn't typically see both Quag and Dialga in the same deck.)

The fact that Garchomp which slaughter it maybe?
 
The thing with Dialgachomp is that the deck heavily relies on drawpower as opposed to other sp decks (naki nailed it), and as I play the deck I generally either draw all my sp metals or I do not, i.e. it can be extremely inconsistent in grabbing the SP Meatls, although this will change with energy exchange unit. The reason I play dialgachomp > Luxchomp is because Dialgachomp's win conditions are always set in stone. Once you get Dialga setup, GG. No deck can withstand Deafening for 30, shutting down bodies, locking trainers, and a big attack that nails for 100 along with lost zoning energy, not to mention that Dialga's a tank. Luxchomp is faster but can be KO'd that much easier. Dialgachomp also autowins vs Shuppet so that's a nice thing to have, a guaranteed autowin.

Dialgachomp can beat Charizard, you just have to have good tactics and know when to spray. Charizard decks rely on draw and power spray can shut that down very easily. Charizard may see play in BR's, but it will die out again. Too weak of a deck to withstand the format, (sp runs all over it). On Quagsire, that's not a great tech anyways. You'd still be giving up a prize to charizard each time and not OHKO'ing it unless you belt, which is the stupidest desperation tactic, i'd rather belt a Tyrogue.

In my honest opinion Dialgachomp will continue to do well because it has no problem fitting in 5 cards to beat machamp, as well as still locking and with less drawpower trainer lock will hurt alot more.
 
The issue I have with Dialchomp is it just seemed so reliant on its draw power from Claydol that ever getting Special Metals in this format relying heavily on Uxies (ERL says yum prizes) is almost irrelevant enough that you're just better off with Luxchomp. Dialchomp is used for its tankability and its ability to shut down notable bodies. Whats the point if you don't ever see a SP. Metal and a Luxchomp techs Blaziken if it becomes relevant?

Don't get me wrong. I preferred Dialchomp to Luxchomp. The list is much more refined, but I've always felt that Dialchomp just needed Claydol far more than any other SP list.



Arguing your point, what exactly is stopping Zard from teching Blaze FB to drag non-attacking Dialga out? Its a fire pokemon so it only helps its damage once body goes away and it keeps non-attacking Dialga from running away like a little baby. If Dialga stays on the field it just dies.

And don't argue Quagsire. I've been seeing Exploud techs in Zard lately. (again with dialga G hanging out its irrelevant, but one doesn't typically see both Quag and Dialga in the same deck.)

T(X): Luring Flame Dialga G X
T(X.5): DCE/Warp, D. Rush Blaziken
T(X+1): Charizard's body is still shut off

It's a good thing Dialga doesn't run Warp Energy or DCE!

I'd be more worried about what Alex mentioned, the consistent deck-churning draw that enabled the healing breath combo to go off reliably every turn.
 
I don't think DIALGACHOMP is gonna be very good.

Please elaborate. What makes you think that way? Is the upcoming meta against Dialgachomp? Does Dialgachomp lose something too valuable in the rotation? Are the counters too splashable for every deck to make the Dialgachomp matchup easy?

I personally think none of the above will occur. I'm not seeing any decent fire decks rising up in the rotation (Charizard may be a bit more decent, but with Kingdra and Gyarados staying in the format, it still won't rise to the high-tier level). ERL is clunky and will lose Claydols to target in rotation (though it will gain Uxies), and Promocroak can OHKO it back with a Crobat drop. Blaziken FB is currently not seen too often, although it might gain popularity as an alternative attacker in some SP decks - this will mostly be because of Dialga, though.

Of course DialgaChomp is a tad slower than most SP decks in general and losing Claydol hurts a bit more. Also upcoming Lost removal (trainer that lost zones a Special energy) can hurt a non-Deafening Dialga if played in more than singles. Machamp of course OHKOs it regardless of the number of special metals attached, and so will Blaziken FB Lv.X (well, not if there's Expert Belt and 3+ metals). Of course, DialgaChomp has some alternative attackers for these, but they will hurt a tanking, fully charged Dialga.

What Dialgachomp will gain are Energy exchange unit (c'mon, Warp/DCE/Special metal with a trainer) or Interviewer's (that has been seen in some lists even now) to get the metals. Futhermore, Machamp can be dealt with Skuntank/Toxicroak which is easier to drop in than in most decks due to Dialgachomp being more stadium-oriented than most of the other SPs.
 
My two cents....Dialga G will be most valuable for a fast Deafen lock to disrupt, and then Level Up and bench sit for Time Crystal to shut off opponent Poke-Bodies. That makes it a starter and a tech, but not necessarily the main attacker anymore for aforementioned reasons. Maybe Garchomp C Lv X is still the best companion, but I'm going to think of some other creative partners.
 
I will admit that I completely forgot about Energy Exchange unit (I've only been paying attention to some of the new cards not all.) and that will create a good out for Dialgachomp. But how many lists will run that already having to worry about losing an SP tutor engine with the uprising of Vileplume?

I'm just trying to think of this realistically. Again, I've got nothing against Dialchomp.
 
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