Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Discarding your Supporter

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Son_of_Apollo

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I'm not really sure who will be head-judging masters, but maybe they come on the pokegym. Will the "discard your supporter when you play it" rule be enforced? For the most part this rule only causes problems. I'm positive there will be at least 1 he said/she said situation at Worlds this year.

At worst I could always put my supporter in the discard sideways and encourage my opponent to do the same, but i'd rather not have to.

tl;dr:

Can I put my supporter next to my active and not get penalized at the main event?
 
Also I'm curious about how this will work for the LCQ. The Supporter rule causes problems at my league; I see no reason why it wouldn't cause problems in the largest top cut ever or the most prestigious event of the year. I can see why they changed it to simplify the game for new players but for all of the old players it really gets annoying.

Personally I never switched over and I leave it by my active to avoid confusion. I never forget to discard it, and by habit I always check if I forgot before drawing a card. There would be a lot more problems for me if I did have to discard it. If I don't discard it, what would be the penalty and why would I get it? Not discarding it hurts me, if it hurts anybody. It's not creating any sort of disadvantage for my opponent.
 
I put my supporter on one side of my active until the end of turn following the old rules. I'll put my chain of trainers on the left side. It is just to keep track of the game as I've had problems before where people question whether or not I've used a pluspower in the turn. I'd also recommend putting the energy on top of the pokemon when you drop the energy, and then doing a normal attach at the end of turn. This shows which energy you put into play that turn. I just try to avoid confusion. Obviously, if a judge tells me to stop, I'll stop...
 
rules should be enforced or scraped. That applies to this one just as much as any other game rule.

A better question to ask would be how breaking this particular rule will be handled. Right now I can only speculate based upon how I hear it was handled at USA Nationals with the obvious caveat that USA Nationals is not Worlds and should not be considered as setting a precedent.
 
I'm just gonna ask all my opponents up front before the game whether they'd like to play the old way.

If my opponent and I agree I see no reason why a judge ought to interfere.
 
Box of Fail said:
I'm just gonna ask all my opponents up front before the game whether they'd like to play the old way.

If my opponent and I agree I see no reason why a judge ought to interfere.
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I'm sure that argument has already been thrown out elsewhere. If you insist on playing the old way then there is always the open gaming area.

Its really easy: don't make a big deal of it. Keep your play area tidy. Comply with judge requests to play by the rulebook and it won't blow up into a big deal. If you paint a target on your back and taunt the staff into shooting then who do you have to blame when you get hit?

@players in general:
This will only become a big issue if players make it into one. I wish that the issue of Japanese cards didn't spring to mind as an example of players behaving sensibly. Just a small number can spoil it for everyone.
 
NoPoke said:
@players in general:
This will only become a big issue if players make it into one. I wish that the issue of Japanese cards didn't spring to mind as an example of players behaving sensibly. Just a small number can spoil it for everyone.
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Players should make a big deal of it. It's a mind-numbingly stupid rule, and I can only imagine that the lack of outrage coincides with the lack of enforcement.

Worlds is not the time, though.
 
I too, however, would like to hear from at least part of the judging staff on how this rule will/can be enforced. That will greatly change my playtesting, as i've been following the old rule when testing amongst friends.
 
Politoed666 said:
Players should make a big deal of it. ....
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You have to be naive to think that players or staff or even P!P have any influence at all over this rule.

Naive to think that player outrage will result in what you or the staff or even P!P might want to happen. Throwing the toys out of the pram will not get the result you seek unless it is to be remembered as the fool who caused an unnecessary mess.

I have some idea how the rule will be enforced: I don't expect PCL/Japan/whoever to insist unless backed into a corner. Hint: I'm not daft enough to force the issue by insisting on an answer to a question where the only answer I can be given is to follow the rule.
 
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If it is enforced, it's just going to be a reminder/caution to the players. There is no way that Warnings or Game Losses would be handed out for something that truly is a trivial matter. I know there might be one or two Pokemon that can attack to get a supporter back, but the only trainer that could that was legal last year was rotated in VS Seeker. I don't think you will find it being a big issue overall, and truthfully no something that you should worry too much about.

Drew
 
NoPoke said:
Hint: I'm not daft enough to force the issue by insisting on an answer to a question where the only answer I can be given is to follow the rule.
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Exactly. Just put yourself in the shoes of a judge/head judge/lead judge etc. Suppose you are judging a tournament and someone asks you: "I know this is the rule but I think it is stupid. Can I ignore it?" you cannot answer "Yes". As a judge you are an impartial arbiter on the rules, so you cannot tell the players that it is okay to ignore the rules when specifically asked.
 
TheDarkTwins said:
If it is enforced, it's just going to be a reminder/caution to the players. There is no way that Warnings or Game Losses would be handed out for something that truly is a trivial matter.
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You know Drew, I would normally agree with you on this. But at regionals (yes, the same regionals you and I judged) someone got a multi-prize penalty for having their deck not facing North-South, it was more or less NW/SE. I figured that was trivial as well.
 
Scorpidad said:
You know Drew, I would normally agree with you on this. But at regionals (yes, the same regionals you and I judged) someone got a multi-prize penalty for having their deck not facing North-South, it was more or less NW/SE. I figured that was trivial as well.
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Wow really? I always put my deck W-E (sideways), same with my discard pile cause I find it easier to draw (and fits better on the P!P Playmats :rolleyes:)

Is there an actual penalty for that since I've never seen an official ruling for it.

On topic though, I agree that the discarding of the Supporter makes things fairly confusing since I use that to keep track of my turn, along with the trainers I've used in said turn.
 
pokemandan said:
Wow really? I always put my deck W-E (sideways), same with my discard pile cause I find it easier to draw (and fits better on the P!P Playmats :rolleyes:)

Is there an actual penalty for that since I've never seen an official ruling for it.

On topic though, I agree that the discarding of the Supporter makes things fairly confusing since I use that to keep track of my turn, along with the trainers I've used in said turn.
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It is much easier for a cheater to sneak a peek a the top card of the deck when the deck is oriented W-E. That is why judges enforce the N-S orientation.

On the supporter issue, you can always turn it sideways so it is sticking out of the discard pile when you play it. Then straighten your discard pile after the turn.
 
N-S is in the Tournament Guidelines.
Players should read the tournament guidelines.

Multi-Prize penalty for it..... I'd like to hear that story....
 
I aggre that mutil prize is outraguois for that espialy for regionals and as for supporter discard i know it silly discarding once effcet has happend and most of my league do too. One way is to note down i know it seems like a lot effet but it maybe useful
 
pokeMATHter said:
It is much easier for a cheater to sneak a peek a the top card of the deck when the deck is oriented W-E. That is why judges enforce the N-S orientation.

On the supporter issue, you can always turn it sideways so it is sticking out of the discard pile when you play it. Then straighten your discard pile after the turn.
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Ahh okay, thanks :)

Giratinamaster said:
I aggre that mutil prize is outraguois for that espialy for regionals and as for supporter discard i know it silly discarding once effcet has happend and most of my league do too. One way is to note down i know it seems like a lot effet but it maybe useful
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Not a bad idea actually.. Just marking a number on a bit of paper seems to be alright..

PokePop said:
N-S is in the Tournament Guidelines.
Players should read the tournament guidelines.

Multi-Prize penalty for it..... I'd like to hear that story....
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Must admit.. I am curious :p
 
PokePop said:
N-S is in the Tournament Guidelines.
Players should read the tournament guidelines.

Multi-Prize penalty for it..... I'd like to hear that story....
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I know N-S is in the guidelines. I also know discarding supporter is in the rule book. The point I was making was not if it was a rule, it was the assumption it will go unpunished if broken.



And Mike, the judge worked for you, the penalty was applied in masters in philly regionals this year. Either you approved the penalty, as it should be, or you had a rogue judge working for you.

You want to know the players name, dob and pop id who received the penalty? I will be more than happy to forward it to you.
 
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