Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Donphan/Flygon deck?

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Snoringlax

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is it a good deck and is it viable for states?
if it's not too much too ask could you tell me its strengths and weaknesess
and what decks it beats/loses?
it seems like a fun deck to play
 
Yes, it is viable.
It beats Luxchomp and other SP decks most of the times which is the main reason why you play Donphan.
Depending on your decklist it can have problems with Gyarados and some Cursegar variants.
 
gyarados will be a huge threat, and a good Cursegar variant -looks at aylam- could beat it. i see that a straight donphan may be a bit better, but you then autoloss w/ gyarados and have only a decent cursegar...overall, i'd say it's viable if you're in a format that is practically SP.
 
ashinto said:
i see that a straight donphan may be a bit better
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A straight Donphan loses to anything, even to SP (they can poison it with Crobat or just build up a benched Dialga to get rid of the body - both does not work if you also have Flygon).
 
FlyPhan isent the greatest deck, i find it personally an OK deck, not something that you would want to take to states and expect to win with (Unless your format is heavy SP and no gyrados). Gyrados RUNS through the deck, depending on the list it most of the time loses also to Cursegar.

Is it OK? Yea sure if your format is heavy SP
Is it good in a format with some SP and some Gyrados? Maybe if your lucky and you dont have to play against any Gyrados :tongue:

And the person who says straight donphan is amazing, Im sorry but its not, like Shadowguard says Even against SP, its not that good. make the phan Poisoned and BOOM goes your chances with winning with it.
 
I don't necessarly believe water in an auto loss, I have beaten gyrados with my flyphan deck, We will see how it does tomorrow.
 
I still dont see Gyarados beating Flygon, eat their Gyms, Wager them, Dusknoir in case of Luxray.
Only problem is getting started.
 
I'm thinking of doing a probopass/flygon deck. I normally use shuppet or gyrados but im tired of necessary cards being prized (ex:plus powers or magikarps) and every playable pokemon in my deck depending on something else that you may or may not have. It totally cripples your chances when youre missing something necessary and youre only able to hit for a fraction of the damage with one of your only available pokemon.

I think probopass (AR) is just as good as donphan if you play (or dont play) your supporters right. Throw in the flygons (I dont have lv.x) for free retreat, some spec. metal energy, and some super scoop ups to erase the damage and I think this has a decent shot...especially with psychic resistance. Also vibrava's (RR) attack can destroy kingdra decks.
 
my meta includes jumpluff, dialgachomp and i think cursegar
is that a good place for donphan/flygon?

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why is cursgar a threat (i still don't think its that good a deck)
 
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Mime locks Donphan, Gengar has colourless resistance, Gengar normally 2-shots Flygon, if you run DCE (which you should be) Shuckle (if they run it) will lock you.
 
Snoringlax said:
my meta includes jumpluff, dialgachomp and i think cursegar
is that a good place for donphan/flygon?
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Not really, Jumpluff isn't the best matchup (but ok if you tech Dusknoir) and Cursegar is difficult.

LegendaryLugia said:
Mime locks Donphan, Gengar has colourless resistance, Gengar normally 2-shots Flygon, if you run DCE (which you should be) Shuckle (if they run it) will lock you.
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Shuckle is Donphan feed.

The real problem is Gengar SF which they usually send in, since can not just two-hit it but have to find a way around, unless you wanna lose a Pokémon and give a free prize.
 
Flyphan is definitly a T1 deck - 5-2 today at states (should have been 6-1 but I had a few errors that cost me 1 round).

1. Cursegar - T1 Donphan with 1 energy = kill spiritombs then go after the gengars, level downed once, but recovered for a 3 prize win
2. Gryados - Win by 2 prizes (and what I win, gryados is not an autoloss to flyphan if played carefully and you set up) - and he was hitting 90 damage T2 with luxray GL Lv. X
3. Mr. Mime SP rogue deck - Loss due to misread of the ruling on Mr. Mimes airy wall body - should have won that game if I knew the ruling on the card.
4. Rotom Toolbox Rogue - traded prizes, (vicious with the SP that makes weakness double and cherims choice), ran out of time, was down 2 prizes to 1
5. Lady Gaga - Set up very fast and killed Dialga G early, they never set up
6. Jumpluff - nidoqueen to the rescue - 50+ 10 per benched pokemon = 110 damage and bye bye jumpluff... finished off the rest with earthquake and powerswing - sweet victory!
7. Gyrados SP something - dead - donked T2 with donphan, phanphy, rare candy, and fighting energy! (60 x 2 = 120 for 2HKO)

So can it work, yes. Does it have trouble - it can, but all decks have weaknesses. I will be excited to try this at regional.
 
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ok thanks to all for the info and i think i will play it at states.
what good counters are there for jumpluff that would fit in donphan/flygon without ruining the consistency?
 
So, which would work best in Flyphan: Dusknoir DP (as some have suggested), Nidoqueen RR (which I have seen work), or Exploud SV (to even up the score vs. Gyara and Luxchomp)?

- Croatian_Nidoking
 
Croatian_Nidoking said:
So, which would work best in Flyphan: Dusknoir DP (as some have suggested), Nidoqueen RR (which I have seen work), or Exploud SV (to even up the score vs. Gyara and Luxchomp)?
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If you have to decide for one, I'd definitely say Nidoqueen, because it can work as additional attacker, its body is game breaking against Cursegar and decent against Luxchomp and Gyarados.

You may try to run two techs, I've seen Flyphans that successfully ran both Nidoqueen and Dusknoir.

Exploud can be nice sometimes, but is very situational. DCE made its crappy attack a little better, but it only helps against Luxchomp, other Flygons and some rare rogue decks (like the stage two Garchomp). Facing Luxchomp, you rarely have the ressources to build up another stage 2 tech, and in addition, they can Bright Look it and you're not able to retreat for free. Against Gyarados you don't attack with Donphan anyway, so why set up an Exploud if you can set up another Flygon as well?
 
ShadowGuard said:
You may try to run two techs, I've seen Flyphans that successfully ran both Nidoqueen and Dusknoir.
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You wouldn't happen to know how to pull that off, would you? If you could PM me a decent Flyphan deck list that manages to include both, I'd be delighted. I'm at my wit's end trying to deal with the current meta.

Also, if you don't use the 'phan to attack Gyara with, then what do you use? I'm planning to only use a 2-1-2-1 Flygon Lv. X line, and I don't think that's quite enough vs. Gyara.

- Croatian_Nidoking
 
Croatian_Nidoking said:
You wouldn't happen to know how to pull that off, would you? If you could PM me a decent Flyphan deck list that manages to include both, I'd be delighted. I'm at my wit's end trying to deal with the current meta.
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A friend (Yoshi-) made this list, I'm sure he'll read this sooner or later and if he likes to share his list he'll PM you. ^^ I for myself had only Nidoqueen in my list at states because of some additional consistancy trainers (Pokémon Communication).

Croatian_Nidoking said:
Also, if you don't use the 'phan to attack Gyara with, then what do you use? I'm planning to only use a 2-1-2-1 Flygon Lv. X line, and I don't think that's quite enough vs. Gyara.
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I attack with Flygon, and I've a 3-2-3-1 line. Donphan is only secondary for me, I play 2-2, my friend even had lists with 1-1 Donphan at some states. If you focus on Donphan too much, you'll lose to Gyarados. The good thing with Donphan is that it's easy to build up and hard to take down. But his damage output is way too low to be a decent mainhitter.
 
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