EAST COAST (DC area) STADIUM CHALLENGE! July 17,`04 *COOL UPDATES & TORCHIC PROMO`S!*
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advisor said:
TMS does NOT support the games-tiebreaker. But, the question is moot since tiebreakers aren't used in single elimination. Nevertheless, the games-tiebreaker is seldom needed when cutting to the top X. Personally, I've never had to use it, and here in Colorado, we always play best-of-3.
Regarding whether the game changes when playing 3-game matches versus 1-game matches, YES! My Colorado crew proved that a couple weeks ago in the UT State Championship. My son and I both won 3-game CCs in Colorado and used our same decks at the UT 1-game States where we both went 3-2 and didn't make the playoffs. However, my other Colorado players DID change their decks to make them better for 1-game matches and all except 1 player (out of 6 players) made the playoffs.
advisor said:
Everyone likes an underdog. But we're not talking about bad luck here. We're talking about a pathetic game that lasts about 2-5 turns because one player went first and/or the other player drew NOTHING! That's NOT a game! That's PATHETIC! If you think that's "fun" at high levels of competition, then YOU'RE .... (well, I'll hold my tongue)
PS. Hey Sensei, with all those neat door prizes, it sounds like lots of players should walk away with something cool at your Challenge. Way to go on the great door prizes!!!
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Cyborg_27107
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If anyone from NC/SC is going and wouldn't mind traveling with a pseudo-adult, PM me...
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Everyone likes an underdog. But we're not talking about bad luck here. We're talking about a pathetic game that lasts about 2-5 turns because one player went first and/or the other player drew NOTHING! That's NOT a game! That's PATHETIC! If you think that's "fun" at high levels of competition, then YOU'RE .... (well, I'll hold my tongue)
Now Steve,be nice...While it`s not "fun" to win or lose due to someone having a bad draw/hand, it`s always been a part of this game. Something "unique". Pokemon has foremost always been about having fun. If we make it too competitive, then we are changing the meaning of the game drastically. This is a "family" game after all. As stated,it`s not "fun", but it`s always good to see things "even out" and the underdog win sometimes,bad draws or not.
PS. Hey Sensei, with all those neat door prizes, it sounds like lots of players should walk away with something cool at your Challenge. Way to go on the great door prizes!!!
Thanks Steve. With all the cool prizes and the top notch staff I`ve gathered,I plan on making this event the best Stadium Challenge in the U.S.
`Sensei
Now Steve,be nice...While it`s not "fun" to win or lose due to someone having a bad draw/hand, it`s always been a part of this game. Something "unique". Pokemon has foremost always been about having fun. If we make it too competitive, then we are changing the meaning of the game drastically. This is a "family" game after all. As stated,it`s not "fun", but it`s always good to see things "even out" and the underdog win sometimes,bad draws or not.
PS. Hey Sensei, with all those neat door prizes, it sounds like lots of players should walk away with something cool at your Challenge. Way to go on the great door prizes!!!
Thanks Steve. With all the cool prizes and the top notch staff I`ve gathered,I plan on making this event the best Stadium Challenge in the U.S.
`Sensei
GymLeaderPhil
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Sensei, quick question, is most of the information that is in your initial post final? I'm working on several upcoming events information on PokemonFlorida as well as other sites. Just want to get the word out to our players so they can make plans.
Heidi Craig, her kids, friends, and myself will be attending your Stadium Challenge, unless something drastic happens. I'd say about six to ten people. Man that reminds me, still have to think of a new team name... used to be Team Phoenix (Phoenix Down), but people thought we were from Arizona.
-Phil
Heidi Craig, her kids, friends, and myself will be attending your Stadium Challenge, unless something drastic happens. I'd say about six to ten people. Man that reminds me, still have to think of a new team name... used to be Team Phoenix (Phoenix Down), but people thought we were from Arizona.
-Phil
RainbowRichards
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Hey Mike! What a star-studded cast of staff!!! Looking forward to working at this HUGE event. :clap:
Do you think it's time now to edit the Topic Title to include the date?
Do you think it's time now to edit the Topic Title to include the date?
sensei said:
By having all these Championship Series tournaments, Pokemon has become competitive. Therefore, skill MUST play a more important role.
Obviously, luck is an integral part of Pokemon and plays an important role in determining who wins. Sometimes, Pokemon games turn out to be a game of chance rather than a game of skill.
So, best-of-3 elevates the skill factor. Although luck may STILL win best-of-3 games, skilled players have a better (not garranteed) chance of rising to the top.
Sensei, I saw that many Gyms last week held best-of-3 playoffs. Even my good buddy in UT (who hardly ever does best-of-3) is doing 3-game playoffs at his UT Gym Challenge and probably at his West Region Stadium Challenge. Hopefully, that will convince you and your HJ to follow suit.
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Gym Leader Blaine
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SteveP said:
There is no probably about it, the West Coast Stadium Challenge will be best-of-3 for the playoffs.
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SteveP said:Sensei, I saw that many Gyms last week held best-of-3 playoffs. Even my good buddy in UT (who hardly ever does best-of-3) is doing 3-game playoffs at his UT Gym Challenge and probably at his West Region Stadium Challenge. Hopefully, that will convince you and your HJ to follow suit.
I don't think he has a choice anymore. The POP Stadium Challenge Faq sheet states that the single elims will be best-of-3
Phil: Pretty much so. If you have any specific q`s, just ask.
Steve: I may do it. I just think that people are going way overboard on the competitiveness.People are looking for any single way to give them an increase of odds to winning.Personally,I like to see "less skilled" players win,luck or not.If you want the "most skilled" to have the best chances,then why not only invite those people and don`t bother with the "less skilled" that this game needs dearly if it is going to survive. You are just "tilting" the game in certain players odds.
Brian: Done.
Hagrid: These have been suggested.I can still choose to do single elim.
`Sensei
Steve: I may do it. I just think that people are going way overboard on the competitiveness.People are looking for any single way to give them an increase of odds to winning.Personally,I like to see "less skilled" players win,luck or not.If you want the "most skilled" to have the best chances,then why not only invite those people and don`t bother with the "less skilled" that this game needs dearly if it is going to survive. You are just "tilting" the game in certain players odds.
Brian: Done.
Hagrid: These have been suggested.I can still choose to do single elim.
`Sensei
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meganium45
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Sensei, it's your event. Do what works best for you!
You are quickly going to be known as the Rogue PTO...but that is good, n'est pas?
I look forward to seeing you at Origins...should be an absolute blast...
Remember, being nice only got everyone SO far. You have to do what YOU feel is best for your event.
That is why they let us PTOs each run our own events as our own bosses. Last I checked, they gave us these events as a result of our proposals...you must be doing something right.
This is Vince, the 2/3 proponent, who LOST because of the 2/3 rule in Nashville, supporting your single elim format, if that is what you choose to do.
All this talk about having to change your deck for single elim is a bunch of bunk. You play the deck that is going to win, period. If it wins one game, it can win two just as easily. Jeez people, we are not sideboarding here.
I am not sure if I added anything, except to bump your topic even higher! See you in Memphis!
M45
You are quickly going to be known as the Rogue PTO...but that is good, n'est pas?
I look forward to seeing you at Origins...should be an absolute blast...
Remember, being nice only got everyone SO far. You have to do what YOU feel is best for your event.
That is why they let us PTOs each run our own events as our own bosses. Last I checked, they gave us these events as a result of our proposals...you must be doing something right.
This is Vince, the 2/3 proponent, who LOST because of the 2/3 rule in Nashville, supporting your single elim format, if that is what you choose to do.
All this talk about having to change your deck for single elim is a bunch of bunk. You play the deck that is going to win, period. If it wins one game, it can win two just as easily. Jeez people, we are not sideboarding here.
I am not sure if I added anything, except to bump your topic even higher! See you in Memphis!
M45
m45 said:
NO! Do what works best for your players (and event like you said later in your post). If that's 1-game, then fine.
m45 said:
Actually M45, your idea to ignore an incomplete second game is a bit rogue too. According to my talks with GLBlaine at his States, he doesn't plan to do that at the West Stadium. Besides your Gyms and Stadium, I wonder if ANY PTOs are ignoring incomplete second games.
m45 said:
Well, that seems like it's true. Going from 3-game to 1-game matches, our Colorado crew proved something seemed different (see my 1-Game post in the Discussion section). It seems that decks built for 1-game should also do well in 3-game matches. Some of our players will be testing that theory this weekend.
sensei said:
It's too bad we put so much emphasis on giving the most prizes to the winner. That's why I really like your idea to do door prizes at the East Stadium. For some of my local tournaments, we sometimes do a reverse prize handout. This accomplishes two purposes. 1) Those you need the cards the most are typically those who don't do well in tournaments. 2) The lesser players find value in coming to our tournaments because they know that sometimes they'll be rewarded.
Wouldn't it be a BLAST if PUI gave a random trip out to one player at each Gym/Stadium? Now THAT would be a great door prize!
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Steve,I think Vince was "joking" about the Rogue reference (meaning that you had said he was in a past thread). Thats how I thought he meant it.As for the door prizes, I like making sure everyone has a chance to walk away with something.It`s always fun to go to an event and not only are there the games, but you have contests and raffles too.
Anyways,Vince is right,do what`s best for your event.That may be whats best for the players and that may be whats best for the game overall.I know there are alot of people that would play pokemon non stop for three days if you give them the chance.But there are people(and parents) who don`t want to stay longer than necessary,especially people who have to get on the road back to home which means a looong trip.These are just several factors that you have to weigh in when deciding what to run.
In any event,I`ll most likely run best of 3 for top 8.
`Sensei
Anyways,Vince is right,do what`s best for your event.That may be whats best for the players and that may be whats best for the game overall.I know there are alot of people that would play pokemon non stop for three days if you give them the chance.But there are people(and parents) who don`t want to stay longer than necessary,especially people who have to get on the road back to home which means a looong trip.These are just several factors that you have to weigh in when deciding what to run.
In any event,I`ll most likely run best of 3 for top 8.
`Sensei
Gym Leader Blaine
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meganium45 said:
Vince is correct that each of us have been given events base not only our experience but also that each of us PTOs bring something different to the game and our tournaments, which is a good thing.
I like the idea that the Stadiums are not run by PUI like they were with WOTC. This way the main tournament will have the same prize structure, but each of us TOs, Judges, and other support staff will and a uniqueness to each of the events.
SteveP said:
I rebuke this gratuitous assertion with one of my own by simply saying that it not true
Having had the pleasure to play at many many of `Sensei's events I believe that what `Sensei sees as best for him is what he sees as best for his players, all of his players.
If you favor the two-out-of-three format, then why not run that format for the entire tournament just like MTG or YGO? Why not have sideboards just like these other games as well? Why don't I dust off my old black pants and shirts and leave my fisherman hat with the badges on it at home?
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Sensei,
Not to cause any trouble but the POP site says differently. Notice the last line below:
What is the Tournament Structure?
The Tournament is run using the Modified Format and Age Modified Swiss pairings. See the Pokémon Floor Rules for information about the Modified Format and Age Modified Swiss. The number of Swiss rounds run will depend on total attendance at the event.
After Swiss rounds are complete, there will be a cut to single elimination finals. The number of players to qualify for the finals will be dependant upon the total attendance in their age bracket.
Single elimination finals will be a best-of-three game format.
Gym Leader Blaine
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Sensei said:
I talked to PUI three weeks ago about how the Stadium was suppose to be run. I was told it was a suggestion best-of-3 for the top 8, since that is how worlds would be done. Because of that I decided to make the West Coast Stadium this format to get the player use to the way Worlds would be if they are going. It was a suggestion three weeks ago, but I dont know if PUI has changed that sugguestion to you have to. You'll have to let us know what they say I would be interested to find out.