ex WC worlds report

[MrMeches]

Amazing what can be found when looking for it:

2008-2009 Pokémon Organized Play Tournament Rules
Rules effective: 9/01/2008
Introduction
These rules are to be used in conjunction with the most recent Pokémon Trading Card Game rules. This
document only covers those rules which pertain to the administration of a Pokémon TCG tournament.
Additional documentation about tournament organization, card rulings, penalty assessment, and Swiss
pairings organization can be found at http://www.gopokemon.
com/op/tournaments/rulesandresources.html.
Table of Contents
1. The Spirit of the Game
2. Membership and Eligibility
2.1. Membership Definition
2.2. Member Eligibility
2.3. POP ID Numbers
2.3.1. POP ID Merging
2.4. New Players
2.5. Suspended Members
3. Wagering
4. Publishing Event Information
5. Event Responsibilities
5.1. Player Responsibilities
5.2. Spectator Responsibilities
5.3. Judge Responsibilities
5.3.1. Lengthy Rulings
5.4. Head Judge Responsibilities
5.4.1. Appeals to the Head Judge
5.5. Tournament Organizer Responsibilities
6. Tardiness
7. Shuffling
8. Pre-game Time Limit
9. Mid-game Time Limit
10. Note Taking
11. Electronic Devices
12. Match Outcome
12.1. Conceding a Match
12.2. Random Determination
12.3. Bribery
13. Withdrawing from a Tournament
13.1. Reporting a Withdrawal
13.1.1. Withdrawing after the Final Swiss Round
13.2. Withdrawing from a Limited Format Event
14. Materials Allowed
14.1. Cards
14.1.1. Card Interpretations
14.1.2. Cards in Play
14.1.3. Deck Checks
14.1.4. Hand Elevation
14.1.5. Reprinted Cards
14.1.6. Unreleased Cards
14.1.7. Fake Cards
14.1.8. Foreign Cards
14.1.9. Japanese Pokémon TCG Cards
14.1.10. Autographed Cards
14.1.11. Alternate-Backed Cards
14.1.12. Cards Listed as Not Legal
14.1.13. Card Definitions
14.1.14. Proxies
14.2. Card Sleeves
14.3. Turned Cards
14.4. Tokens and Counters
14.5. Randomizers
14.6. Other Materials
15. Penalties
15.1. Cheating
15.2. Unsporting Conduct
15.3. Timely Play
15.4. Marked Cards
16. New Pokémon TCG Releases
17. Ratings and Rankings
18. Tournament Structure
18.1. Age Divisions
18.2. Definition of a Match
18.3. Deck Registration
18.4. Reporting Match Results
18.5. Match Time Limits
18.6. Determining Who Goes First in Best-of-Three Match Play
18.7. Match Time Expiration
18.7.1. Resolution of Match When Time is Called
18.7.2. Determining the Outcome of an Unfinished Match
19. Document Updates
1. The Spirit of the Game
As a game of skill, the Pokémon TCG is enjoyed for its complex strategies, entertaining characters, and
atmosphere of friendly competition. While the objective of a Pokémon TCG tournament is to determine
the skill level of each player involved, our ultimate goal is to ensure that every participant has fun. It is
this attitude that Pokémon Organized Play wishes to emphasize during Pokémon TCG events.
Regardless of the size of the prizes on the line, adherence to the Spirit of the Game helps to ensure that
all participants, including players, spectators, and event staff at a Pokémon TCG event, have an
enjoyable experience. This spirit should guide the conduct of players as well as the tournament judges as
they interpret and enforce the rules.
The Spirit of the Game is composed of the following tenets:
• Fun: The Pokémon TCG is a game, and games are meant to be fun for all parties
involved. When a game ceases to be fun, players find other things to do.
• Fairness: Games cease to be fun when players break the rules to achieve victory. A
player should prefer to lose a game than to win by cheating.
• Honesty: Players of any game should strive to act honestly while playing that game. If a
player inadvertently breaks a rule during a game and becomes aware of the error before
his or her opponent or a judge, that player should make the opponent and the judge aware
of the misplay.
• Respect: Players, spectators, and staff should be treated with the same respect that
players would expect for themselves. Distracting an opponent or a judge to gain
advantage shows disrespect to everyone involved in a Pokémon TCG event.• Sportsmanship: Winning or losing with grace is vital to the enjoyment of a game. The
desire to continue playing a game can be soured by players that berate their opponents
after winning or losing a match. Likewise, a player who plays the clock, rather than the
game, shows poor sportsmanship and should be discouraged from doing so whenever
possible.
• Learning: Players should strive to help each other increase their Pokémon TCG play
skills. It is not a player’s responsibility to make his or her opponent’s plays for that
opponent. However, discussing strategies, offering deck tips, or constructively critiquing
game play decisions after the match has been completed helps both participants to
become better players.

4. Publishing Event Information
Tournament Organizers, judges, players, and spectators are free to publish deck lists, details of play,
and/or the results of an event, subject to local, state, and national laws.
Pokémon Organized Play reserves the right to publish event information including but not limited to the
items listed above, transcripts, audio and/or video recordings or other recounts, player penalties, awards, or any other resultant information from the event.

14. Materials Allowed
The following is a list of acceptable materials to be present during a Pokémon TCG tournament match.
Items other than these may be removed if they prove to be disruptive or hazardous.
14.1. Cards
Players may only use cards in their decks that are legal for the event format. During Limited
events, players may only include cards given to them by the Tournament Organizer for the event.
14.1.1. Card Interpretations
The Head Judge is the final authority on card interpretations and tournament rulings.
Rulings on foreign-language cards are made using the English-language translations.
14.1.2. Cards in Play
Cards in play should be managed in such a way that they are organized and neat and easy
for opponents and judges to interpret. The following are some guidelines for card
organization:
• Keep all Energy cards aligned in the same direction under the Pokémon in play,
and make sure each card is visible at all times.
• Make sure Benched Pokémon are separated far enough apart from each other and
from Active Pokémon that it’s clear which Pokémon have cards attached to them.
• Put Supporter cards next to the Active Pokémon when played and discard them
after the Attack step of that turn.
• Put Pokémon Tool cards next to Pokémon that they are being played on and
discard them as directed by the card text.
• Put Stadium cards between each players’ Active Pokémon so that the card is
visible to all players.
• Arrange damage counters primarily over the picture of a card so as not to obstruct
the view of the card text.
14.1.3. Deck Checks
At all Premier Events, deck checks must be performed. For all events, including Premier
Events, POP recommends that deck checks be performed over at least 10 percent of
decks over the course of the event.Whether checking a deck at the beginning of the event, or between rounds, players should be required to put the cards in their deck in the same order as the cards on the deck list to expedite the process. During the deck check, the tournament staff should look for the
following:
• Total Number of Cards: The number of cards in a player’s deck should be
appropriate for the event format. The deck checker should count the total number
of cards in the deck before checking the actual contents of the deck to ensure that
the deck contains the proper number of cards.
• Deck Contents: The deck checker should verify that the contents of the player’s
deck matches the cards on the deck list. The card title should match the card
listed, and the set abbreviation and collector number of each of the Pokémon
should be listed.
• Card References: If a player is using foreign cards, or reprinted cards which
have had significant text changes, the deck checker should require the player to
present their reference cards or the Card-Dex entries where applicable.

14.1.5. Reprinted Cards
From time to time, cards printed in previous sets are reprinted in a new set. In most cases,
the mechanics of the card remain unchanged, though the wording may be slightly altered
for clarification. However, in a few rare cases, the game play text of a card is
significantly modified. In these cases, a player may only use an older version of that card
if they provide a Card-Dex with the wording for the most recent printing of the card, OR
the player has a copy of the card with the most recent wording, outside of his or her deck,
for reference.
Please see the Tournament Rules and Resources page for a list of cards that have been
reprinted and are legal for play in the Modified Format.

14.1.8. Foreign Cards
Players may use non-local language cards in their decks, provided they meet the
following requirements:
• All of the cards in the player’s deck have been released, in English, in the United
States and are legal for use according to the event’s format restrictions
• The player has an English or local-language version of the card, outside of his or
her deck, for reference, OR the player has a copy of the official Pokémon TCG
Card-Dex containing the card’s text, which can be downloaded at from the
Tournament Rules and Resources page. Card scans are not an acceptable method
of translation.
If a judge determines that a player is using non-local language cards and/or misprinted
cards to gain an advantage, that player will be subject to the Cheating section of the POP
Penalty Guidelines.

15. Penalties
Should an issue arise at a POP event, players and spectators will be subject to the Pokémon Organized
Play Penalty Guidelines. All penalties above Caution level must be reported to POP for further review.
Penalties issued to spectators may be assigned to the player or players that they are responsible for, if
severe enough. The Head Judge has the final say on all penalties issued at an event.
15.1. Cheating
Cheating includes, but is not limited to, drawing extra cards, altering the contents of a deck after
an event begins, manipulating the outcome of a legitimate coin flip, altering Card-Dex entries to
misrepresent foreign cards, and misrepresenting game state.
15.2. Unsporting Conduct
Behaving in an unsporting manner is disruptive to POP events. Unsporting conduct includes, but
is not limited to, use of profanity, insulting other players, failure to comply with event staff
instructions, and acting in a confrontational manner toward spectators, event staff, or opponents.

19. Document Updates
Pokémon Organized Play reserves the right to alter these rules, as well as the right to interpret, modify,
clarify, or otherwise issue official changes to these rules, with or without prior notice.
Document updates will be made available at http://www.go-pokemon.com/op/.

So there you go. Deck Contents are reflective to the itemsi nthe deck adn the references for non-english cards. References are a direct reflection to the Deck Contents and if a Card is present that is not a poriton of the Deck Contents, under these rules it can be interpreted as Cheating and the appropriate Penalties assessed. Deck Contents are ALWAYS THE PLAYERS RESPONSIBILITY.

Sorry to hear that it occurred to a friend, but now the Rules are made readily available to all Players on the POP site.

Others should reflect on SOTG and Unsporting Conduct under the Rules.

Take Care everyone!!

Fish

 

[edwarpy]

Well, as long as were reading and looking at the rules...much of what you posted was not relevant
to the ruling. The way I read it, none of the Deck Check stuff applies. The list matched the deck.
The Card Ref section begins...'If a player is using foreign cards...'. Nope.

What does seem to apply is the 'Respect: stuff'. Indeed what was done could be seen as distracting
or intimidating. Assuming that's true, what the appropriate penalty. From Penalty Guidelines, here's
distraction and intimidation. Guidelines suggest Game Loss, no? Hope to see this on the Professor
Test!

7.6.2. Major
Players are expected to behave in a respectful manner to all attendees and staff of a Pokémon
TCG event. Players who don’t behave properly need to be reminded to with the issuance of a
penalty. Infractions in this category have a direct impact on event operation or cause a small
degree of emotional distress to those around them.
Examples of Unsporting Conduct: Major include:
• Leaving a large amount of garbage in the tournament area.
• Failure to comply with the instructions of the event staff.
• Engaging in gamesmanship/rules lawyering.
• Attempting to manipulate a match through intimidation or distraction.
• Refusal to sign a match slip.
• Defacing the tournament area.
• Making legal plays which have no effect on the game in progress to manipulate the time
remaining in a match.
• Playing slowly to manipulate the time remaining in a match.

Recommended Starting Penalty:
Tier 1: Prize Card
Tier 2: Game Loss

I think it's clear the player's action doesn't fall under 7.6.3.

 

[The Ghost]

Well, as long as were reading and looking at the rules...much of what you posted was not relevant
to the ruling. The way I read it, none of the Deck Check stuff applies. The list matched the deck.
The Card Ref section begins...'If a player is using foreign cards...'. Nope.

What does seem to apply is the 'Respect: stuff'. Indeed what was done could be seen as distracting
or intimidating. Assuming that's true, what the appropriate penalty. From Penalty Guidelines, here's
distraction and intimidation. Guidelines suggest Game Loss, no? Hope to see this on the Professor
Test!

7.6.2. Major
Players are expected to behave in a respectful manner to all attendees and staff of a Pokémon
TCG event. Players who don’t behave properly need to be reminded to with the issuance of a
penalty. Infractions in this category have a direct impact on event operation or cause a small
degree of emotional distress to those around them.
Examples of Unsporting Conduct: Major include:
• Leaving a large amount of garbage in the tournament area.
• Failure to comply with the instructions of the event staff.
• Engaging in gamesmanship/rules lawyering.
• Attempting to manipulate a match through intimidation or distraction.
• Refusal to sign a match slip.
• Defacing the tournament area.
• Making legal plays which have no effect on the game in progress to manipulate the time
remaining in a match.
• Playing slowly to manipulate the time remaining in a match.

Recommended Starting Penalty:
Tier 1: Prize Card
Tier 2: Game Loss

I think it's clear the player's action doesn't fall under 7.6.3.

You sir are correct, the players action does not fall under 7.6.3. Why not read the next section 7.6.4.

7.6.4. Cheating
Cheating is the highest form of Unsporting Conduct that a player can display. Players who
intentionally commit infractions are looking to gain an unfair advantage over other players at
the event. The Head Judge should carefully consider whether an infraction was intentional or not
before applying this penalty. If the Head Judge feels that an infraction was unintentional, this
penalty should not be applied.
Examples of Unsporting Conduct: Cheating include:
• Drawing extra cards.
• Taking cards from the discard pile and adding them to your hand or deck.
• Offering some form of compensation to an opponent for a concession.
• Altering match results after the conclusion of the match.
• Playing with marked cards.
• Lying to event staff.
• Modification of the Card-Dex to misrepresent official card text.
• Arbitrarily adjusting the Special Conditions or damage counters put on any Pokémon in
play.
• Use of dubious game actions intended to deceive your opponent into making misplays.
Recommended Starting Penalty:
Tier 1: Disqualification
Tier 2: Disqualification

Yep, not 7.6.3, it is 7.6.4.

 

[Ra2xse]

7.6.4. Cheating
Cheating is the highest form of Unsporting Conduct that a player can display. Players who
intentionally commit infractions are looking to gain an unfair advantage over other players at
the event. The Head Judge should carefully consider whether an infraction was intentional or not
before applying this penalty. If the Head Judge feels that an infraction was unintentional, this
penalty should not be applied.
Examples of Unsporting Conduct: Cheating include:
• Drawing extra cards.
• Taking cards from the discard pile and adding them to your hand or deck.
• Offering some form of compensation to an opponent for a concession.
• Altering match results after the conclusion of the match.
• Playing with marked cards.
• Lying to event staff.
• Modification of the Card-Dex to misrepresent official card text.
• Arbitrarily adjusting the Special Conditions or damage counters put on any Pokémon in
play.
• Use of dubious game actions intended to deceive your opponent into making misplays.
Recommended Starting Penalty:
Tier 1: Disqualification
Tier 2: Disqualification

Yeah, HJ couldn't know taht truly i didn't know that i couldn't use transaltion what isn't in my deck. I was seen the Japanese dude doing the same so i thought that it was legal. Also there was the dude from finland (have been judge in Nationals...) who said that i could do that. I couldn't explain anyhing of this because i couldn't get translator, i would really need it, because i was so locked up and it would be 1001 times easier to speak own language. Abaut htose rules.... They are so hard language that i can hardly undestand them (takes much time, an i though taht i have good english, and is it fair that they are only in english, so everypody maeby can't undersand them, and still in WC you think that everybody knows them...) Lets speak French in WCs next year....

Ps. I think that it's unintentional if palyer doesn't know that he or she breaks the rules....

I thought you had the translator supervisor present, no?
Just because you didn't have the translator that wanted doesn't mean you didn't have one.
Or am I incorrect about her being there to translate for you?

Im sorry but i don't understand this. There was nobody who could speak finnish with me, even if my english is good taht doesn't mean that in hard sitation i should't be able to speak my own language (My english is only some easy phrases tha comes out wiht good slef-confidence.)

Ps. I use dictionary in writing these messages, but i can't have translator in worlds...

i know the kid you were talking about tom.. his name was ramsus and i played him in round 5. great kid.. he would never cheat i can tell, and believe me my word is good. he was probably the nicest kid i played all day, and i don't think having a dusknoir translation warrants a DQ lol. that's pretty funny when you think about it, i mean if i wanted to before a match i could be like 'ey kid, watch out for my dusknoir'.. would i get DQ'd for that? ughh this game is too strict sometimes, believe me stuff like this has happened to me too so i know what its like. and in all honesty if you don't play around dusknoir you don't deserve to be at worlds lmao

Thank you for support! The whole dusknoir thing was a joke, that we made last night. We didn't know taht it's unlegal, because the others have done the same.

 

[The Ghost]

Yeah, HJ couldn't know taht truly i didn't know that i couldn't use transaltion what isn't in my deck. I was seen the Japanese dude doing the same so i thought that it was legal. Also there was the dude from finland (have been judge in Nationals...) who said that i could do that. I couldn't explain anyhing of this because i couldn't get translator, i would really need it, because i was so locked up and it would be 1001 times easier to speak own language. Abaut htose rules.... They are so hard language that i can hardly undestand them (takes much time, an i though taht i have good english, and is it fair that they are only in english, so everypody maeby can't undersand them, and still in WC you think that everybody knows them...) Lets speak French in WCs next year....

Sorry, let me see if I understand this correctly (Your English isn't 100% perfect, not trying to bash, Im just trying to make sure I understand this clearly).

A guy from Finland, who happened to be a Judge of Finland Nationals, told you this was legal?

Please tell me if I am reading that correctly.

 

[Ra2xse]

Sorry, let me see if I understand this correctly (Your English isn't 100% perfect, not trying to bash, Im just trying to make sure I understand this clearly).

A guy from Finland, who happened to be a Judge of Finland Nationals, told you this was legal?

Please tell me if I am reading that correctly.

Ya... its true, he haved to be HJ but his family were palying so he was only a judge...

 

[Jaeger]

[/Quote]Thank you for support! The whole dusknoir thing was a joke, that we made last night. We didn't know taht it's unlegal, because the others have done the same.[/QUOTE]


It was no Joke you did it to try and gain an advantage. Had you chosen lets say Roserade (A card that was obivously not in your deck) you proably would have just gotten a game loss or maybe less. Did warrent a DQ? I don't know, at least a game loss.

 

[MrMeches]

Well, as long as were reading and looking at the rules...much of what you posted was not relevant
to the ruling. The way I read it, none of the Deck Check stuff applies. The list matched the deck.
The Card Ref section begins...'If a player is using foreign cards...'. Nope.

What does seem to apply is the 'Respect: stuff'. Indeed what was done could be seen as distracting
or intimidating. Assuming that's true, what the appropriate penalty. From Penalty Guidelines, here's
distraction and intimidation. Guidelines suggest Game Loss, no? Hope to see this on the Professor
Test!

7.6.2. Major
Players are expected to behave in a respectful manner to all attendees and staff of a Pokémon
TCG event. Players who don’t behave properly need to be reminded to with the issuance of a
penalty. Infractions in this category have a direct impact on event operation or cause a small
degree of emotional distress to those around them.
Examples of Unsporting Conduct: Major include:
• Leaving a large amount of garbage in the tournament area.
• Failure to comply with the instructions of the event staff.
• Engaging in gamesmanship/rules lawyering.
• Attempting to manipulate a match through intimidation or distraction.
• Refusal to sign a match slip.
• Defacing the tournament area.
• Making legal plays which have no effect on the game in progress to manipulate the time
remaining in a match.
• Playing slowly to manipulate the time remaining in a match.

Recommended Starting Penalty:
Tier 1: Prize Card
Tier 2: Game Loss

I think it's clear the player's action doesn't fall under 7.6.3.

Let's look a bit closer to this:

14.1.3. Deck Checks
At all Premier Events, deck checks must be performed. For all events, including Premier
Events, POP recommends that deck checks be performed over at least 10 percent of
decks over the course of the event.Whether checking a deck at the beginning of the event, or between rounds, players should be required to put the cards in their deck in the same order as the cards on the deck list to expedite the process. During the deck check, the tournament staff should look for the
following:
• Total Number of Cards: The number of cards in a player’s deck should be
appropriate for the event format. The deck checker should count the total number
of cards in the deck before checking the actual contents of the deck to ensure that
the deck contains the proper number of cards.

Since it was a Modified event, the number of cards should have been 60. SO we know ths right number of cards for the deck.

• Deck Contents: The deck checker should verify that the contents of the player’s
deck matches the cards on the deck list. The card title should match the card
listed, and the set abbreviation and collector number of each of the Pokémon
should be listed.

So in this statement, we are ensuring that he list and the contents of the deck are identical. The only cards that should be present during the match, are the cards that match the decklist and:

• Card References: If a player is using foreign cards, or reprinted cards which
have had significant text changes, the deck checker should require the player to
present their reference cards or the Card-Dex entries where applicable.

Card references for any foreign language cards or reprinted cards.

Using these guidelines and verification of the Deck List to the deck and needed translations for any cards, a Judge has the ability ot identify if any cards are present that creates a misleading and/or dubious act to intentionally make an opponent alter their game play.

The Deck List information keystoens in making this Ruling hold as it supplies the foundaiton of whether the card was in the original list and needed a Translation or not. Since the Dusknoir was not a Translaiton for a card in the Deck List, it creates a dubious situaiton severly altering the opponent's game play. Even if it were a Magikarp, it is still a dubious act. Additional cards that aren't present in the Deck List are/ can be considered misleading and dubious.

Hope that clears up why I listed these specific Rulings. Deck Checks and the guidelines are representative for the foundaiton of Rulings such as these.

SOTG, Always!

Fish

 

[PokePop]

Im sorry but i don't understand this. There was nobody who could speak finnish with me, even if my english is good taht doesn't mean that in hard sitation i should't be able to speak my own language (My english is only some easy phrases tha comes out wiht good slef-confidence.)

Ps. I use dictionary in writing these messages, but i can't have translator in worlds...

You are 100% positive that you did not have a translator available to you while this was going on?
You're saying NOBODY was translating english to finnish and finnish to english for you?

 

[Lawman]

So, if someone else tried to play with a 62 card deck or 5 rare candies and you tried to copy this....it makes it legal??? No. Using a dusknoir, especially in this enviroment, is a dubious action. Obviously, you knew what the card did and KNEW players would play YOU differently if they saw this outside card ref on the table and would affect your OPPONENTS play. Ergo, a DQ is appropriate in this situation. You even admit that you considered it a "translation card". What card in YOUR deck did it translate for? None!

Keith

 

[Ra2xse]

You are 100% positive that you did not have a translator available to you while this was going on?
You're saying NOBODY was translating english to finnish and finnish to english for you?

That's right, i haved to speak english. First time when i saw translator was when they took me off and started to tell me about DQ, and minute before it but they didn't let me speak, I don't know if this is true, this is only what I understanded about that situation, because I haved to use englsih, not my own language during the situation, before they told me about DQ i didn't even know that it was an opinon...

7.6.4. Cheating
Cheating is the highest form of Unsporting Conduct that a player can display. Players who
intentionally commit infractions are looking to gain an unfair advantage over other players at
the event. The Head Judge should carefully consider whether an infraction was intentional or not
before applying this penalty. If the Head Judge feels that an infraction was unintentional, this
penalty should not be applied.
Examples of Unsporting Conduct: Cheating include:
• Drawing extra cards.
• Taking cards from the discard pile and adding them to your hand or deck.
• Offering some form of compensation to an opponent for a concession.
• Altering match results after the conclusion of the match.
• Playing with marked cards.
• Lying to event staff.
• Modification of the Card-Dex to misrepresent official card text.
• Arbitrarily adjusting the Special Conditions or damage counters put on any Pokémon in
play.
• Use of dubious game actions intended to deceive your opponent into making misplays.
Recommended Starting Penalty:
Tier 1: Disqualification
Tier 2: Disqualification

So am i wrong that if I could be able to explain the situation, about the finnish guy (was jduge in nats) who was said that using the dusknoir, way i did, doesn't break the rules, and the japanese dude who did same, that the japanese dude were cheating didn't even reached my mind, we though that it ws only a brilliant idea. So could that change the thing that i didn't mean to break the rules, i think so. So if there could be transaltor for me and i could be able to expalin i maeby couldn't DQd?

Who is able to deside who get's translator and who doesnt? Isn't that unfair to use only one language if there is no transaltors for childrens?

So, if someone else tried to play with a 62 card deck or 5 rare candies and you tried to copy this....it makes it legal??? No. Using a dusknoir, especially in this enviroment, is a dubious action. Obviously, you knew what the card did and KNEW players would play YOU differently if they saw this outside card ref on the table and would affect your OPPONENTS play. Ergo, a DQ is appropriate in this situation. You even admit that you considered it a "translation card". What card in YOUR deck did it translate for? None!

Keith

The 5 Candys thing totally diffrent, everybody knwos the ruling about it, but i didn't mean to break the rules, i didn't know that the japanece dude was breaking the rules...

 

[davidy321]

Regardless of anything else, you need to be able to admit what you did was wrong, and you intentionally mislead your opponents into thinking you played Dusknoir to get an unfair advantage.

What ryanvergel said is somewhat true, however it is also obvious as a player that most would assume you would be using the card in your deck.

If I had a weapon and threatened you (without actually saying I will do ^*$# to you) of course it isn't your fault for assuming I am threatening you.

 

[PokePop]

That's right, i haved to speak english. First time when i saw translator was when they took me off and started to tell me about DQ, and minute before it but they didn't let me speak, I don't know if this is true, this is only what I understanded about that situation, because I haved to use englsih, not my own language during the situation, before they told me about DQ i didn't even know that it was an opinon...


So am i wrong that if I could be able to explain the situation, about the finnish guy (was jduge in nats) who was said that using the dusknoir, way i did, doesn't break the rules, and the japanese dude who did same, that the japanese dude were cheating didn't even reached my mind, we though that it ws only a brilliant idea. So could that change the thing that i didn't mean to break the rules, i think so. So if there could be transaltor for me and i could be able to expalin i maeby couldn't DQd?

Who is able to deside who get's translator and who doesnt? Isn't that unfair to use only one language if there is no transaltors for childrens?


The 5 Candys thing totally diffrent, everybody knwos the ruling about it, but i didn't mean to break the rules, i didn't know that the japanece dude was breaking the rules...

The "intentional" versus "not intentional" doesn't have to do with knowing it was breaking the rules, it has to do with intending to do what was done, or if that had happened accidentally.

From what you say, you intended your opponent to think it was a translation card.
The fact that someone advised you that it was OK wouldn't change that it was intentional.

I can't speak to when you got a translator, but I'm glad you've moved from "never" to "late" on that issue. I imagine they got one as soon as possible. That of course leads to the question: When did you ask for a Translator? It was your option to ask for one, not their requirement to get one ahead of time.

 

[Lawman]

Ignorance of the rules (and law) is no defense. Many people speed on the highways, yet only a few get caught. May not be the best analogy, bc the japanese player should have been caught IMO. Having the grinder split up into 2 groups and thinning the judges a bit between the 2 did not help the situation.

Sorry you got bad advice and broke the rules. Hope you make it back to Worlds next year!

Keith

 

[Ra2xse]

The "intentional" versus "not intentional" doesn't have to do with knowing it was breaking the rules, it has to do with intending to do what was done, or if that had happened accidentally.

From what you say, you intended your opponent to think it was a translation card.
The fact that someone advised you that it was OK wouldn't change that it was intentional.

I can't speak to when you got a translator, but I'm glad you've moved from "never" to "late" on that issue. I imagine they got one as soon as possible. That of course leads to the question: When did you ask for a Translator? It was your option to ask for one, not their requirement to get one ahead of time.

They took me to Transaltor after 10 minutes i was called for him (lifting teh sing), he didn't have anything to do before it, judges only waned to talk with him before. They gave me translator when they was waned to tell me about DQ, not when i was waned to explain, Lawman, yea that's it, i got wrong information and things went wrong, i shouldn't use that even if i though that it was legal.

 

[MrMeches]

They took me to Transaltor after 10 minutes i was called for him (lifting teh sing), he didn't have anything to do before it, judges only waned to talk with him before. They gave me translator when they was waned to tell me about DQ, not when i was waned to explain, Lawman, yea that's it, i got wrong information and things went wrong, i shouldn't use that even if i though that it was legal.

It is nice to "see" that your trying to understand what your being told and not taking it as an attack towards you. The Staff at World's really did the best in the situaiton we could and as a Team, the decision made was discussed and not just a quick response. Unfortunately for you that it took a bit of time for the translator, but even this would not change the end result as you had the Dusknoir in the Translation portion of your deck representing a non-present card in the actual deck. End results were correct though unfortunate in your situation. Lesson learned and as you mention, you won't allowit to happen again!:thumb:

We all learn everyday, even Judges learn with each event.. mainly patience and clarity issues.... but it is a part of being human!

GL this season and hope you get ot World's again Next Year!!

Fish

 

[Ra2xse]

I'll be there if i'll find a summer job, Now we are clear thank you. Still i have one question about rulings... Can i ask judge to check my opponent's translations, if i feel that he's not having them in deck? (Like AMU player using dusknoir translation...?) Just in case.... LOL...

 

[Lawman]

I'll be there if i'll find a summer job, Now we are clear thank you. Still i have one question about rulings... Can i ask judge to check my opponent's translations, if i feel that he's not having them in deck? (Like AMU player using dusknoir translation...?) Just in case.... LOL...

The answer is yes. Bottom line, an outside ref should only be pulled out and shown on the table when that card comes into play. Until then, dont you want to keep your deck contents "private" anyway?!? Otherwise, we would allow your opponent to shuffle your deck with contents exposed!

Keith

 

[MrMeches]

To add onto that, I wish more players would get into the habit of SOTG!!

When I sit down to play, if I have Translations, before I even start, I pull out my JPN cards and show my trans cards to my opponent. I know this is not the norm, but the Player and dekc build wins, not the deck itself!

You cna always request anythign form a Judge to verify the HONESTY of the game. If it is in the Rules, you can request a Judge. If it is not in the Rules, you cna still request a Judge and they will make a determination form the guidelines provided. Just wouldn't make it a habit as it will follow you and become a rules Lawyering situation!


GL on that Job!!

Fish