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Final table of the world championships. 2 scenarios. What do you do?

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jigglejuice

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Scenario one:

You have reached the finals of the 2012 world championships. Both you and your opponent have one prize left and both pokemon are one hit from being knocked out. You play an interview questions hoping for your only chance, a double colorless. You accidentally draw an extra card off of the move and the extra ends up being the double colorless. The judge was pointing a rule out to your opponent so they were both distracted. Do you take advantage and win the championship or shuffle the double colorless back into your deck and accept the defeat?

Scenario two:


You have reached the finals of the 2012 world championships. Both you and your opponent have one prize left and both pokemon are one hit from being knocked out. It is your opponent's turn and he is about to make the finishing attack. Before attacking he makes a critical illegal move that would end up resulting in you drawing a free prize card. The illegal move would give your opponent no advantage and you would have been defeated with or without it. Once again the judge has failed to notice the move. Do you call your opponent on the move and win the championship on a penalty prize or keep the move quiet and accept defeat?


Answer honestly now. There is no wrong or right answer. I am just curious on the ethical delima these scenarios provide.





For scenario one I can't honestly say that I would shuffle the energy back into my deck. After all that time and sacrifice I would take the win. I don't know if that makes me a bad person or just one who takes advantage of opportunity, but I would find it very hard to resist.

For scenario two I would let my continue his moving knowing that he had me defeated either way. I guess I find it easier to accept a loss than steal a victory. Let me know your honest answer please:pokeball:
 
For number 1, If I drew an extra card AND I know I took the extra card, then it would be cheating. There is a huge difference between advantage and cheating, unfair or not. I would tell a judge letting them know about it. If the game came down to 1-1 each on prizes and a final attack, your opponent deserves for the game to happen the way it should.

In number 2, if any player made a illegal play in any tournament, you ARE expected to call them on it. You call a judge and let them know because illegal moves=cheating and no one wants to be cheated. There is a difference in rule sharking and calling someone on a illegal move. Now it also depends on what this illegal move is. What move would net you a free prize? At the end, it's up to the judge.


As for what you said, that is plain wrong and against the SotG. After all the time and sacrifice you went through to win. What about your opponent? they worked just as hard as you did just to have their win stolen from them because you decided to 'keep' the extra card. Sure you win, but at what cost?

As for 2, that all depends on what the illegal move was. If he was willingly trying to cheat, then I'll call a judge but if it were something else, then maybe but I don't know what this illegal move is.
 
On scenario 2, I would tell the judge. I mean, why wouldn't you? There is no point in not. They cheated, thats it. Cheating is cheating. As for 1, I would put the card back, I don't think I would be able to sleep at night knowing that I cheated and won worlds. That is just wrong. Getting second is awesome too, there is still a chance in your deck getting printed anyway. You can't be a great player knowing that you cheated.
I rest my case.
 
Senario 1)

If I drew 8 cards and knew without an energy I'd lose....Id keep on drawing cards from my deck until someone notices just to get a reaction. Then laugh and scoop =D
 
I really don't think I can answer this honestly. I'm pretty sure I would give my opponent the win in both cases(depending of what the opponent did for the prize penelty) but I've really never been in such a high stakes scenario, and my mind may work in different ways under higher stakes.
Signed,
Mr. Perspective
 
Clearly scenario one is a hypothetical. Who can objectively say what they would do in the heat of the moment?
 
Yeah, I'm not going to answer #1 because I honestly don't know what I would do; if it ever comes up I'll let you know then, but otherwise yeah...

#2 though, screw being "nice", I'd call them out on the penalty and win if they indeed awarded a prize penalty. They may have outplayed you the entire game, but there's a difference in being the champ and second. Not to mention anyone watching the replay of the match (if recorded) if they see the penalty is going to think the other guy got screwed.
 
1st of all, if the judge was making a ruling, you shouldnt be doing anything. The game state should be frozen. Ergo, scenario #1 should never occur that way.

As to #2, you should alert the judge for any errors that are made, either on your side or the oppo. Let the Judge make the fix/assign the penalty.

IF for some reason I drew an extra card, I would point out the error at anytime in the game. SotG is more important than a W at that point.

Keith
 
ninetales1234 said:
Clearly scenario one is a hypothetical. Who can objectively say what they would do in the heat of the moment?
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Thank you for your wise words of paraprasing my post virtualy exactly but not really(does that work? I think not.) :wink:
I think their is really no way to answer this question, unless you paid for us to all go to worlds until we win (*wink**wink**nudge**nudge*)(please mom, can I mom, pleeeeeease!).
 
jigglejuice said:
Scenario one:

You have reached the finals of the 2012 world championships. Both you and your opponent have one prize left and both pokemon are one hit from being knocked out. You play an interview questions hoping for your only chance, a double colorless. You accidentally draw an extra card off of the move and the extra ends up being the double colorless. The judge was pointing a rule out to your opponent so they were both distracted. Do you take advantage and win the championship or shuffle the double colorless back into your deck and accept the defeat?

I'd tell the judge what I did and see what he would say. I'd then see if there was any other outs for my scenario, if not I'd accept the defeat. Even if I got away with the extra card some person would notice it from the thousands of videos you see on YT of these games.

Also, who the heck would play Interviewers Questions in a WC deck?

Scenario two:


You have reached the finals of the 2012 world championships. Both you and your opponent have one prize left and both pokemon are one hit from being knocked out. It is your opponent's turn and he is about to make the finishing attack. Before attacking he makes a critical illegal move that would end up resulting in you drawing a free prize card. The illegal move would give your opponent no advantage and you would have been defeated with or without it. Once again the judge has failed to notice the move. Do you call your opponent on the move and win the championship on a penalty prize or keep the move quiet and accept defeat?

I'd probably tell the judge or ask the player myself. Fairness is crucial in my opinion.
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My replies are in red btw.
 
Thank you for your responses everybody. I know it was a silly question that might create akward answers, but I thought it may make an interesting topic. I feel silly for posting it now though >_<;
 
jigglejuice said:
Thank you for your responses everybody. I know it was a silly question that might create akward answers, but I thought it may make an interesting topic. I feel silly for posting it now though >_<;
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You could bring us(or just me) to worlds.:thumb:
Then the topic wouldn't be as silly and you could make up for being silly in the first place.
Pleeease
 
1) Even though I'm extremely careful to draw the right amount of cards, if for some reason it happened and I had full knowledge of it, I'd take the loss. Not gonna strip anyone of a world championship due to cheating. You play the card, and do its effect, no more.

2) I'd probably point the error out, and take the win. At the World Championships I expect everyone to play legitimately, and take responsibility for errors in play that are illegal. I would do the same, as I said in scenario 1.
 
I can say that most players would not let someone take back an illegal move to let someone win. People just don't let you take things back. I've made mistakes that cost me the game at events not the caliber of the WC and I did not get to take it back.
 
On scenario 1, if there was no DCE in th previous cards, then I'd know I'd already lost anyways and take the loss.

Scenario 2 yeah i'd tell the judge.
 
Scenario 1, I'd probably be so excited that I saw the card that I would play it and win. If I noticed I drew the extra card, then I'd probably just accept defeat.

Scenario 2, I'd take my win. You gotta be careful about making mistakes.
 
Scenario 1: I would return the DCE to my deck, I wouldn't be able to live with the victory if I cheated, and would probably run my mouth on the internet and have everyone hate me even more.

Scenario 2: I definitely call the judge on the move, if your opponent in top 2 at worlds is making unneeded moves before the attack to win the game, they are just plan stupid, and don't deserve the win. They make the dumb mistake, they don't deserve the win.
 
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