Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Format Change for Next Year - Possible Change for Nats and Worlds!

it is great news for worlds which affects us as well, still not what I hoped for at all through...

The problem is that sableye on looks like a problem for p!p while they consider the current format to be fine.
So there is no issue for them if our nats are hold without b/w or with b/w and without b/w rules... At least thats my guess..


btw do you still need another german drapion? Found one and dont need it so drop me a message or something
 
Vince. I have made some decks with MD-BW and used the new rules to see what can happen.
It's not only Sableye there is much more what makes MD-BW a crazy format.
But in general I dislike donks so much, so any format raising the donk factor is not done (for me).
 
meganium45 said:
My best guess would be HGSS-On, as that is what we are getting, albeit early.

Lia, have you tested and played this format with B&W Rules, MD-BW?

I see a lot of people doing a lot of overreacting here. The Sableye deck was not a 100% or 90% winner, EVEN WHEN IT WENT FIRST.

Sure, it could pop off a donk, but as people adjusted to the deck, and saw ways to reduce its effectiveness, it got weaker and weaker. And, here't the big news, if it didn't win turn 1, IT LOSES.

Yes, we would have some new players get hit and depressed that they didn't get to turn over a card, but that was already happening.

It would get worse, but it would have then stabalized. You really don't think the 130 HP starters would have had ANY effect on the "donk"??

Vince
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It isn't just Sableye, I do have to point out. I have a Cinccino deck built right now; I've turn 1 donk'd by brother's Zekrom deck when he starts lone Zekrom surprisingly often.

I do think European players have the right to be a bit upset, but for whatever reason, it looks like this is the best we can get. I'm just guessing here, but it's looking like TPCi (or P!P) are under restrictions set by higher ups, and are doing the best they can here. We should show some appreciation for that instead of whining.
 
meganium45 said:
You really don't think the 130 HP starters would have had ANY effect on the "donk"??

Vince
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Yep. I'm making a "Legend Haymaker", or "LegendMaker" myself.

Imagine the old haymaker with BBPs that had 130 HP and could do massive damage if the opponent damaged them but weren't able to OHKO them!

I don't think the format is as dark as is feared.

Will people have to come up with completely different decks?
Oh yeah. They will.
Is that bad?
Not necessarily.
 
I think this is great news, I don't see why people are saying that this will drive away new players. IMO this will BRING new players in bc of the fact most of them only have HGSS-On cards. Players should have known that their precious sps were going to go away and that they were lucky they got to keep them as long as they did. And who cares if you only have one month to get a deck ready for Nationals. I think that it will be a really fun tournament now bc their will be a HUGE VARIETY of decks instead of the usual SP,Vilegar,Sabledonk,Gyrados decks we've been seeing. Just my two cents.
 
So they made pretty generally bad rule changes - first turn is going to be more powerful than second no matter what the rotation is, rare candy nerfed at the same time that it becomes a promo, whatever - then made an announcement that will create a price panic and require lots of additional playtesting for something that might happen instead of certainly will happen? I simply cannot understand why everyone is praising this. Every deck starting Sableye or Spiritomb was not ideal, but this rotation creates its own problems. For instance, basically no good trainers exist, and the few that do will still facilitate speedy decks like Donphan Prime or Yanmega Prime.

I also want to point out that controlling the metagame like this is just wrong. If you want to have the marketing of "only these sets are present!", great. If you want to control the metagame, then you allow all cards and make a ban list. Something as arbitrary as a surprise rotation is not them taking an interest in players, or listening to their pleas. This is someone messing something up and then doing something arbitrary to fix their own mistake.

The timing of this all is really the biggest problem. If they announced start of the year that mid-season rotation was a real likelihood, then people could have avoided paying for a lot of cards and having to take a risk. Just because it could be speculated did not make this happening predictable; an announcement saying something like this might happen 8 months ago would have made it predictable instead of complete speculation. The prices were going to fall eventually, so that is not the biggest issue. The arbitrary decisionmaking and arbitrary timing is.

EDIT: it is not like players who have Sableye already can pick it up and play it for battle roads without losing money on that either, so I do not see why anyone would play it at Battle Roads who does not already have any...
 
I love how everybody is acting like there is a rotation for nats when they said if they deem it neccassary. Unless I missed something.
 
Has anyone ever thought about adapting the new rules? If your that afraid of sabledonk, speed champ, g- dos, aka getting turn 1'd, why not build a deck with a combination of spiritomb and sableye as your starters? If sp players are afraid of sabledonk, I don't see them justifying not changing decks. It could eliminate a lot of sp and form new metadecks.

chrataxe said:
Well...

I feel like this was the "easy" way out. Yes, it fixes a lot. And, as pointed out by previous posts, it IS more than just Sableye, it is the overall speed. But, we could have easily done away with MUCH of those problems with a smaller rotation. How would making a SV-on format be any worse than HGSS-on speed-wise? We could have gotten a RR-on format and that would have killed just about EVERY deck in the format right now: ALL SP, Gengar, Machamp, Kingdra, Gigas, Steelix, and would also get rid of BTS. The older the PT set, the more I can see it being justified, but it seems hard to make a valid argument about rotating SV and AR from a "speed" perspective. I see no reason we don't go RR-on.
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If there has to be a format change, why not cut to rising rivals? Cutting to hgss means we lose Volkner's Philosophy, Underground Expedition, Lucian's Assignment, Sunyshore City Gym, vs seeker, cynthias guidance, expert belt, spiritomb, bench shield, prof oaks visit. Not all of the above are playable in todays format, but a shift to rising rivals could make some of these cards playable. There are a lot of stage 1 and 2 pokemon that can't be played simply because sp is too strong. With sp still possibly playable but much weaker, Dusty arceus luxrays, hippodons, venosaurs, tangrowths, arceus, rhyperior, garchomp sv, and swampert could see play. Just to name a few.

If this is at all about the sp reign, then sp would take a tremendous hit without having to cut to hgss. Losing poketurn, cyrus, power spray, energy-gain, bronzong g, and crobat g. How could it be nearly as competitive as it has been without those crucial staples?

There will be a lot pf people with a lot of unplayable cards if seven sets get rotated.

FYI---The whole new donk situation could have been prevented by not implementing black and white rules until after worlds.

Is this an unreasonable viewpoint?
 
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how many times does it have to be said that holding off on implementing the B&W rules was NOT an option for OP?

'mom
 
BiffMasta said:
FYI---The whole new donk situation could have been prevented by not implementing black and white rules until after worlds.

Is this an unreasonable viewpoint?
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i do agree with you on this point. i think that just leaving the it as DP rules would be better and would save people money so they dont have to go out and buy all playable cards under the BW rules..
 
BiffMasta: Just, for one moment, assume that the P!P people aren't blithering idiots and understand that the RR-on AND the BW rules nerf were most likely talked about and rejected by other people in TPCi or from Japan for various reasons that might have absolutely nothing to do with anything you spoke about.
 
To everyone that questions why it is HGSS on here are a few reasons. Arceus will become a nearly unstoppable deck. As they do not have to evolve and are a fast basic pokemon deck. That can counter all other decks out there with a speed un-seen when SP rolls out. Secondly cards that are broken if it was RR on also include BTS (Kingdra donk, Donphan donk, Minncino donk) yep great players there.

Toss in expert belt and still having plus powers you can donk with out even thinking about it as if you pull it off thats 60 extra damage there alone. That is not an enviroment I want to play in. That and why we as players still complaining. It is not like we did not see this coming when Japan went to HGSS on we all laughed and said we are America or we are Europe or Canada they wouldn't do that to us.

So most people scoffed and pretended that this format change would never happen. So they didn't plan ahead and now they are stuck sucking their thumbs and crying that they didn't see it. It is a lack of foresight on your part then folks. The writing was clear as day in Call of Legends which was a reprint set on what the format was going to be. So please suck it up and build your own deck. Not just a copy cat deck of what wins.

It is not that hard and I welcome our new Overlord of HGSS on! Bring on the creativity and lose the irritating of what was SP and all of Stormfront.
 
Considering the possibility of rotation and rejecting it as a likelihood involved foresight, by the definition of the word.
 
Seems to me those upset about the League Promos being rotated out of modified need to petition their local League to play under an unlimited format (or even an extended-type format).

My local league plays under an unlimited format and I'm just happy the new players have access to cards like Broken Time Space and Roseanne's Research and Uxie. It will improve their decks, even if not tournament legal, greatly.
 
aikira21 said:
To everyone that questions why it is HGSS on here are a few reasons. Arceus will become a nearly unstoppable deck. As they do not have to evolve and are a fast basic pokemon deck. That can counter all other decks out there with a speed un-seen when SP rolls out. Secondly cards that are broken if it was RR on also include BTS (Kingdra donk, Donphan donk, Minncino donk) yep great players there.

Toss in expert belt and still having plus powers you can donk with out even thinking about it as if you pull it off thats 60 extra damage there alone. That is not an enviroment I want to play in. That and why we as players still complaining. It is not like we did not see this coming when Japan went to HGSS on we all laughed and said we are America or we are Europe or Canada they wouldn't do that to us.

So most people scoffed and pretended that this format change would never happen. So they didn't plan ahead and now they are stuck sucking their thumbs and crying that they didn't see it. It is a lack of foresight on your part then folks. The writing was clear as day in Call of Legends which was a reprint set on what the format was going to be. So please suck it up and build your own deck. Not just a copy cat deck of what wins.

It is not that hard and I welcome our new Overlord of HGSS on! Bring on the creativity and lose the irritating of what was SP and all of Stormfront.
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FYI, BTS is in Platnium, which would be rotated in a RR- on format....
 
Yeah, I'm amazed at how in sync Prime and I are on an issue for once :)tongue:), but seriously: you should STILL be thankful to be getting BTS, since it's an extraordinary tool in alternative formats.

Cards like Swoop! Teleporter, BTS, Uxie, Oak, etc are timeless classics that will always have a place in unlimited. Just 'cause your card rotates doesn't mean you cease to have fun with it.
 
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