Format Change for Next Year - Possible Change for Nats and Worlds!
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Box of Fail
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The fact that the Japanese are responsible for the creation of Pokémon is simply no basis to conform to the Japanese format.
Just saying.
The fact that the Japanese are responsible for the creation of Pokémon is simply no basis to conform to the Japanese format.
Just saying.
Riq
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if we dont want rotation DON'T USE SABLEDONK! if no one runs it at BR we have a better chance of not how rotation meaning you can use them at nats and worlds
if no one played SABLEDONK at BR's, which called for no rotation, then it would most likely be all Sabledonk at Nationals in order to win the tournament.... common sense.
Don't get me wrong, getting sets as fast as Japan would be the ideal solution imo, but we would need a killer huge set to help us catch up. Or two set really close to each other. Our set release schedule would have to move and wouldn't always be consistant if I remember right. But it seems to work for them. It would save so many people so many headaches because this whole awful sableye/uxie/crobat power creep mess wouldn't happen.
But a small cardpool doesn't make for a boring game either. I think that's what you are getting at. Remember when we only had Base and Jungle? I was 12, and that format was still the most fun for me. I think the kids will be fine. The competitive players for sure will be fine.
But a small cardpool doesn't make for a boring game either. I think that's what you are getting at. Remember when we only had Base and Jungle? I was 12, and that format was still the most fun for me. I think the kids will be fine. The competitive players for sure will be fine.
It is if they are the one that have control over the game
Ekaru
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They *did* do the research.
RR-on wouldn't have worked because RR, SV, and AR all contain extremely strong basics. Even without the SP engine, extremely strong basics in a format where evolution decks are slowed down is just asking for everybody to use them. Remember, evolution decks are nerfed too, not just SP, Arceus, etc., and those will still be able to set up quickly, especially with the new T1 rule.
In a format where evolution decks are slowed down, all basics have to be balanced for such a format. When you have strong basics running around that weren't meant to be in the format, trouble can occur.
If they let these basics run around in this format, the game would probably break. Safest way to get everything is just to go HGSS-on. I wouldn't be surprised if P!P did some playtesting, too, to have some results to show the head honchos about such a dramatic rotation. Without any evidence at all it would've been hard for them to rotate out 7 sets like this.
Politoed666
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No. No, no, no.
Why on earth are they rotating AR while implementing the new BW rules? Every single one of you is still failing to see that T1 T/S/S will be terrible without Spiritomb in the format. Yes, Vileplume UD is still there, but when it takes two or three turns to set up with no lock, it's almost entirely ineffective. Congrads, we *might* get a midseason rotation. Now, let's look ahead to next season, when T1 Communication, Junk Arm, Collector, Catcher, etc. will ruin everyone's day. Perhaps I'm still just jaded from the mind-blowingly stupid BW rules, but I really don't see this as miraculous improvement. The fact that they're going HGSS-on for apparently no reason than to be HGSS-on angers me immensely.
Know what's coming? Haymaker V2. They have removed all the support for Stage-2 evolved Pokémon from this game. Everyone who was upset because they couldn't play their fun Stage-2 decks due to SP dominance: you are in an even worse situation. With BTS gone and Rare Candy virtually useless, we at least expected to be able to run Spiritomb + Vileplume to have a chance in the new format. POP says no creativity for u! by rotating the ONLY OTHER SETUP CARD STAGE 2 DECKS HAVE.
YEAH HGSS ON YEAH
ROTATE SEVEN SETS A YEAR AFTER SAYING YOU WERE GOING TO ROTATE AN AVERAGE OF FOUR YEAH
Why on earth are they rotating AR while implementing the new BW rules? Every single one of you is still failing to see that T1 T/S/S will be terrible without Spiritomb in the format. Yes, Vileplume UD is still there, but when it takes two or three turns to set up with no lock, it's almost entirely ineffective. Congrads, we *might* get a midseason rotation. Now, let's look ahead to next season, when T1 Communication, Junk Arm, Collector, Catcher, etc. will ruin everyone's day. Perhaps I'm still just jaded from the mind-blowingly stupid BW rules, but I really don't see this as miraculous improvement. The fact that they're going HGSS-on for apparently no reason than to be HGSS-on angers me immensely.
Know what's coming? Haymaker V2. They have removed all the support for Stage-2 evolved Pokémon from this game. Everyone who was upset because they couldn't play their fun Stage-2 decks due to SP dominance: you are in an even worse situation. With BTS gone and Rare Candy virtually useless, we at least expected to be able to run Spiritomb + Vileplume to have a chance in the new format. POP says no creativity for u! by rotating the ONLY OTHER SETUP CARD STAGE 2 DECKS HAVE.
YEAH HGSS ON YEAH
ROTATE SEVEN SETS A YEAR AFTER SAYING YOU WERE GOING TO ROTATE AN AVERAGE OF FOUR YEAH
Shadow Zangoose
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Hey, bro. You must have failed to consider Red Collection might have something in it to... you know, make your bad argument even worse.
U mad that I just gusted up and killed your basic? Guess you should have benched two of them, huh? Probably should play Twins in that Stage 2 deck of yours, too. It's easier to complain about a balanced game though, huh? We have things now in HGSS on that mitigates the effect of Catcher a bit. Like benching a Bouffalant. Do it. Kill the basic. Do it. Revenge KOs are cool.
You're going to complain now, but later you'll see just how much better the game will be. Mark my words.
U mad that I just gusted up and killed your basic? Guess you should have benched two of them, huh? Probably should play Twins in that Stage 2 deck of yours, too. It's easier to complain about a balanced game though, huh? We have things now in HGSS on that mitigates the effect of Catcher a bit. Like benching a Bouffalant. Do it. Kill the basic. Do it. Revenge KOs are cool.
You're going to complain now, but later you'll see just how much better the game will be. Mark my words.
ShadowCard
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Because their rotations are kind of irregular?
Japan's concern is OP in Japan. The reason we should not conform to Japan is because of the role of marketing in the international OP. Japan does not (appear to) make decisions with consideration to the international markets. It makes the two different. Then there's the fact that they play the game differently than the international OP does.
Box of Fail
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What Politoed666 has said holds some water, though his view is pretty extreme. AR-on would have been logistically superior and much better for the format, but I'm quite satisfied with the way things turned out regardless. I can understand from a distributor's standpoint why removing Arceus cards and LV.Xs would be a favorable course of action, and simply keeping two blocks of sets legal.
In fact, I think it might make sense to move rotation to July 1st every year. Or June 1st. Whatever date is normally set before nationals.
In fact, I think it might make sense to move rotation to July 1st every year. Or June 1st. Whatever date is normally set before nationals.
If Japan controls it, then why were we sitting in a Majestic Dawn-on format up until a decision now?
Why are our sets a full 2 sets behind theirs?
Why do our sets have different names?
Why do our sets have their promo cards as normal set cards?
Exactly, they're not controlling it. They create/develop. They have next to nothing to do with our marketing, organized play, or the translations.
That's how it works. Japan creates the game. We translate what they have for our benefit. We adopt the game. We changed their Pocket Monsters into Pokemon, and TPCi controls it.
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goliaththegreat
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I think an early rotation would be a great thing for the health of competive play.I had fun with Sp,Sableye,Donks and all but its time for a change.It would be for the better.
Cyber King
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Put my answers in bold.
Regis_Neo
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What evil psyduck said pretty much...all of our stuff is all derived from what happens in Japan; the US and other Pokemon TCG regions aren't separate, they all take orders from there from the most part.
Besides, what basis would they not have by being the creators of the game? They created and have control of it, hello lol.
I'm all for conforming to Japan's sets btw, just wish they'd distribute the rares as nicely too...would love little mini theme decks with great cards for decent value instead of having to go to singles buying or gambling on a box for something...
Politoed666
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To be honest, I don't think I understand what you're saying here. You're just proving my point...
Oh, and by the way. Bouffalant doesn't really mitigate the effect of Catcher at all. If a Bouffalant is really a threat, I'll gust up the Bouffalant. ;_;"
But it will be here eventually. People complain about things that cannot be avoided, like taxes. Like that Catcher.
AyameHikaru
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@Cyber: We're actually a full set behind them. The Battle Strength Decks they released will be our BW2, adding in the random stuff they cut and maybe some more promos. Can't remember when Red Collection drops, but when it does we will be two fulll sets behind Japan.
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Bad example. With food, you can always change, add, remove, or do anything to a recipe as long as it makes the food better.
In this case, there is no way to change each individual card that is released from Japan over to here. The only difference is *when* (or, at times, if) the cards are released.
IMO, playing in a format different from the one that the cards are being designed for is not healthy for the game. This has been proven for the last 4 years at least, starting with the GG format and all the way until now. As long as all of the cards in a particular Japanese bloc are released in the same World bloc, we should be fine sticking to the Japanese rotation schedule.
Charizard3712
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So you guys are complaining that Japan has more cards and all that. But I think you fail to realize that when Japan goes to Worlds they automatically play in OUR format so even if they are two sets ahead of us if doesn't matter at all. HGSS is the best thing to happen in Pokemon in a while. I swear that TPCI can't catch a break bc either people are complaining that the format is crap now or they are complaining that they are losing cards.