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Gardevoir Gallade: Call it what you want!

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First of all, if I was focusing on setting up Gardy or Gallade, I'd use Stantler as my starter. However, I am not trying to do this, instead, I am trying to add disruption to start off, slowing my opponent (hopefully:biggrin:), while still allowing me to set up.


I've played a few GG decks and the stantler seems the toughest to fight. Been wondering what Pacharisu would do for this deck. just a thought.
 
you don't need 2 xs i say that with all confidence because i know this deck, you're goal isn't to get 2 gardies out fast ever,

you can only use 1 telepass per turn, the lvl x's use is situational period, so you'll prob find it in your prizes before you need it, and you need only to have another gardy out when you're x get's knocked out and you can just recycle and search,

i have to tell you honestly that claydoll makes absol a lot worse and it's pretty popular, you benefit much more from a starter at this point,
 
from experience, i found that i needed to get basics out faster, or the basics i had (ralts) never gave me the time to set up (esp against magmortar decks)

thats why i considered a 3 pachi for the pachi start.

i threw in the stantler just in case i get a bad start and/or with no supporters.

as well, i only run 1 gardy lv x, with 3 gallade to follow.

and for card disruption, i used tgw

other than that, your deck looks similar to mine and its very solid.. very
 
I guess the whole Claydol thing does make it not as good. I do like Absol, though, but I guess I'll try it the way I had originally had the deck, with Stantler.
 
Absol is good. It prevents the opponent from getting set up. Even with Claydol running around (which, IMO, isn't "all that"), it still messes up your opponent's first two to three turns, especially if they aren't particularly bright.

My current build uses 4 Absol and 2 Pachi. I'll probably go 3-3 on them eventually. I just don't want to start with Ralts as often as I was with only 4 Absol.

And PLEASE don't suggest Furret. It's not a good card. Sentret isn't a good searcher, and Furret is too slow of a setup to use as your main starter searcher. The energy saving thing is average at best.
 
Switch a level x for a sableye, amazing tech and since you run tsd and nm you shouldnt need 2 gardivior lvl x, cause u flip your prizes over anyway. also I would take out 1 warp point because your not going to be using it that much. My energy line for this deck is 4 DRE 1 scramble 2 multi (absol or gallade) 1 cyclone (awesome tech) 8 psychic. Last I would switch the trainer engine a little bit, but w.e works best with you is what you should play.
 
Absol is good. It prevents the opponent from getting set up. Even with Claydol running around (which, IMO, isn't "all that"), it still messes up your opponent's first two to three turns, especially if they aren't particularly bright.

My current build uses 4 Absol and 2 Pachi. I'll probably go 3-3 on them eventually. I just don't want to start with Ralts as often as I was with only 4 Absol.

And PLEASE don't suggest Furret. It's not a good card. Sentret isn't a good searcher, and Furret is too slow of a setup to use as your main starter searcher. The energy saving thing is average at best.

rofl. Its always been known that you dont know good cards.
 
Oh ick... this list and your matchups have me dry heaving.

This is mostly due to the fact that I think Absol is a waste in Gallevoir. It should be a set-up deck, and the trainer engine needs improvement.
 
at this point the suprise factor is gone, a gallade deck that sets up decently will beat this deck, because instead of relying on luck not only on getting setup but luck to accoplish anything, they actually have control over their deck and whatever techs they use

absol gallade hasn't won here i don't think but it always has showings, but gallade was still winning and top cutting, because the more reliable list doesn't use absol

gallade has WAY too much opposition to ever rely on absol start to overcome everyones techs and obstacles, a lot of absol lists will fail in swiss elimination, if they make it, because the luck factor is gone, when absol and gallade individually are the 2 most hated cards out there
 
Oh great here goes the argument about absol again... Listen up people. The format right now is stage one decks, they need to set up as FAST AS POSSIBLE! As for the people still running stage 2 decks it needs to set up even faster which is very unlikely because it requires more cards. Some people result in using starters like stantler, absol, pachi, etc.. And some people use furret. Now dont get me wrong furret does have potential, but the only problem is most of the time it takes 2-4 turns to set up, and it usually wastes a search power, and in this format, by turn 2 or 3 your sentret is dead. Now moving on to absol. Absol does have its positives and negatives but it is probaly the most affective starter for turn 1-3 in stage 2 decks. I do agree that absol doesn't work good in all decks (mostly stage 1 decks) but it probably works the best in stage 2 decks that require more turns to set up. Using absol, stage 2 decks can achieve a set up while your opponent is getting eaten alive by absol. Thats why it works great in gardilade, because you can disrupt and swarm. The only downfall to absol is that late game it does nothing, (but dont all starters do?) Now lets talk about Furret vs. Absol which is what most people are arguing about in this deck.

Turn 1 (furret)

Sentret use keen eye. (If your lucky you'll get a supporter that you need, but most of the time you'll probably end up getting an energy.)


Turn 1 (absol)

Absol use baleful wind. (Depending on how lucky you are, or what your opponent's hand is, you should probably hit at least 1 trainer, and something else useful they could use.)

Turn 2 (Furret)

Use rosseane's get an energy and a ralts, attach energy to ralts, evolve into kirlia. Sentret use keen eye. (Good job, you achieved getting a set up, but the downfall is, you just got an energy with keen eye, and your oppenent has a blissy ready to kill you.)

Turn 2 (absol)

Use team galactics mars, draw into a gardivoir. Rare candy gardivor, use your opponent's rosseanes, get a ralts and an energy, attach energy to ralts, evolve into kirlia. Absol use baleful wind. (Your oppenent is probaly going to have 1 or 2 cards in there hand by this time limiting turn 1 decks to set up as fast as they should, or just destroying a stage 2 deck.)

Turn 3 (furret)

Sentret died last turn from a blissy, and they used TGW, you lost all your cards in your hand, you have a warp point and 2 energy. Scoop cards. (I'm not saying this is what happens everytime with furret, but most of the time it will be TOO SLOW in this format, and if you do get a furret set up, you'll probaly have 1 turn to get cards with it. Using furret allows your opponent to set up, which results in you dieing faster. If anything, run stantler. or pachi over furret if you dont want to run absol.)

Turn 3 (absol)

Your opponent used a TV reporter and attached an energy and did 60 dmg with a blissy. Your turn, you use there tv reporter draw into a rare candy and gallade, then you use team galactics mars and get a double rainbow energy. Retreat the absol, bring on gallade and flip over 3 prizes to win. (Once again, this doesn't happen every match, (it does for me most of the time) but using absol can stop your opponent from setting up, which gives you more time to set up your stage 2 deck. There are downfalls to absol, like when you don't start with him, or you don't discard anything good, but over all, I would run absol over furret.)


This probably won't clear up the fuss about absol, but everyone has there own opinion.
 
for sure dont need 2 level Xs dont need to out at once and if it gets knocked out you can easily get it back with NM and tellepass but i would go with 2 absol and 2 2 furret and against a mirror match you having that extra level x is only taking up room for something that you could use more
 
Baleful Wind wins games. Once, my opponent had a Rare Candy and a Gallade in his hand, and a Ralts as his Active Pokemon. I used Baleful Wind and discarded Candy! I've discarded Ceilio's as well. One other thing about Absol is that I usually keep him out for a while. It can stop Gallade. Gardevoir. You name it, Absol can get rid of alot.

Now, you're probally saying, "but Absol is sooooooo luck-reliant!" Yes, but what isn't in this game? Senret is luck, depends on what you draw and when you get Furret. Stanler is a little luck, Riolu hurts it. Riolu is (obviously) luck reliant, read the card. Top-decking is a huge part of the game, and that is completely luck-reliant. What's in your Prizes is luck, though with Gardylade that is somewhat less. How fast your opponent sets up is luck-reliant. So really, it dosen't matter if Absol is luck-reliant - because everything else in the game has luck of some sort in it. Or at least almost everything.
 
The only real Absol stopper is Smeargle. And the ONLY reason that it's an Absol stopper is because it loads your hand with stuff that Absol doesn't double discard over. Claydol isn't an Absol stopper because it can be stopped by Absol himself. Furret isn't an Absol stopper because it can be stopped by Absol himself. Please, show me how the above statements are NOT true.

Patriarchy is a spectacular setup deck. It can largely set itself up without Trainers given a lucky start (Ralts/Kirlia/Gardy) that isn't really so uncommon with a good build. It can disrupt even without Absol, TGM, and TGW. It can deal big damage for not a lot of Energy. My particular build focuses on getting a fast, consistent setup. However, many builds of the deck can use different engines as their setup, and are still very successful. My version is used as a training tool for the competitive players in my League. It's a benchmark for them. I tell them straight up. If you can't beat this deck, you won't be able to compete at the States level. Give them a challenge, and most of them are responding quite well to the challenge right now. Hopefully, I'll be able to bring them up to States in a couple weeks. Time will tell...
 
The only real Absol stopper is Smeargle. And the ONLY reason that it's an Absol stopper is because it loads your hand with stuff that Absol doesn't double discard over. Claydol isn't an Absol stopper because it can be stopped by Absol himself. Furret isn't an Absol stopper because it can be stopped by Absol himself. Please, show me how the above statements are NOT true.

True not a stopper but a delayer, Furret works, it hits for 40 the switches and the next pokemon knocks out using the energy from Furret.
 
Finally, there are some people that understand that Absol is the best starter for this deck (and possibly the metagame as a whole) PERIOD! Think about it, your opponent isn't gonna run crap they can't use (unless they're a complete moron, in which case you'll win anyway), so even if you hit like an energy, that's 1 less they'll have to use against you. Also, consider the possibility of hitting a Candy, or something else amazing. This is why Absol is run, as it will hurt your opponent 1 way or another!
 
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