Mew
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I'm pretty sure they left out the random battle part, so that people will acctually buy PKNM Battle Revolution
I agree that one of the good things they did this time is even the type/attack balence.
Generally, what do you think about the new generation?
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I'm pretty sure they left out the random battle part, so that people will acctually buy PKNM Battle Revolution
I agree that one of the good things they did this time is even the type/attack balence.
Yucky Muky
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Nothing special
I agree with Metagoros it is nothing special it stopped looking good to me after Emerald came out
but thats just me.
I agree with Metagoros it is nothing special it stopped looking good to me after Emerald came out
but thats just me.
i agree, you all complain too much.
hitmonchan93
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This is by far the most challenging Pokemon game I have played. There is so much to do in this game it ain't funny ;P. You have got to fill or catch 487 Pokemon to fill in data spaces in your Dex, see both genders on each Pokemon if you can, get all 8 badges, beat the Elite 4, go to every town, migrate your Pokemon from your games, go Breed, trade over the GTS, plant Berries, make Poffins, compete in Contests, beat the Battle Tower, get the TM's and HM's, make friends in the Underground, trick out your secret base, get your stuff from Mr.Good's, get all the Plates, and excavating out spheres, stones, etc. I've spent 90 hours on this game and I still have alot to do. This generation isn't that bad, I mean they could have spent a little less time on elaborating previous generations evo lines but overall it's another generation. I'm happy.
I would agree that there are some Pokemon that were not created very 'nicely' (I really don't like the evolutions of Gligar and Yanma). And I also think that the legendaries, mainly Dialga and Palkia, are way too elaborate, and come close to encroaching on Digimon territory. But, I have the feeling that the Pokemon creative team isn't 'lazy', and I personally think that they have to work harder than ever. Think about it, they have created three successful generations of Pokemon gaming, and now are HOPING that the fourth will be a success as well. Somewhat of a flaw in the human species is our need to 'have more'. The first generation was awesome at the time, but when the news of GSC came, we expected big stuff (which we got). Same goes for RSFLE, they had to 'take it up a notch' in order to make fans happy. Now with the fourth generation, they had to do it again. We all knew that WiFi was coming, what with the internet becoming a need in everyday life, but since WiFi was expected, their hand was forced, and they were expected to go beyond already unrealistic expectations. Eventually, we will be expecting them to create a game where Pokemon are alive in our reality and Wal Mart will start selling functioning PokeBalls. I'm with Einstien on this one, according to laws of time and space (not taking Palkia or Dialga into account) it is not going to happen. We have to be real with the creative team. They are doing their best. I think that the game is really cool, and some of the items in it may be different, but we should be prepared to accept all avenues if we want Pokemon to survive. Also, I still like the old Pokemon from the first generations...don't you?
ShadowTogetic
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No, it's not I don't care. It's just that no one wants to read anything repeated. Reading a research is fine and is appreciated, but honestly, no one will want to read it if you're repeating things.
Back on topic, I honestly don't like having the pokedex count being recorded just by seeing the Pokemon. It makes me keep thinking that I caught that many.
SuperWooper
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It's a bit lame that over 25% of the Pokemon in this generation are preevolutions or extensions of the Pokemon from the previous three generations. And I agree that there are some blatant clones found in this game. Staraptor is a Pidgeot wearing a Swellow costume. Luxray is just a black Manectric. Infernape screams "Blaziken!" at the top of its lungs. The legendary Pokemon of the lakes are pretty stale, and legendaries like Heatran and Cresselia aren't really too exciting to encounter and capture being they don't blow you away like the older legendaries do.
As far as buying DP goes (based on the value of the new batch of Pokeymanz), I would not hesitate to encourage anyone who's got thirty bucks to grab this game. But I do agree with anyone who would say that they found a lack of inspiration in the new generation. I think that over time, with exposure through the DS game, the TCG, and even the anime for those who watch it, we will get used to the new generation. I know that there was a lot of complaining when Ruby and Sapphire hit the market about the lack of creativity in that generation. Looking back on it, I don't know what those people were smoking. I'm thinking that after a few months we'll all get accustomed to the new generation and be able to appreciate it a bit more. But I know what you're saying, for sure, Kettler.
With Pokemon being Pokemon, however, there are always some gems in every generation. Some of the Pokemon that I can really appreciate as far as stylization goes are Empoleon, Drifblim, Torterra, and Floatzel. I also like some of the extensions of the old 386, particularly Electivire, Honchkrow, and Mantyke. Not all hope is lost with these guys in the game.
As far as buying DP goes (based on the value of the new batch of Pokeymanz), I would not hesitate to encourage anyone who's got thirty bucks to grab this game. But I do agree with anyone who would say that they found a lack of inspiration in the new generation. I think that over time, with exposure through the DS game, the TCG, and even the anime for those who watch it, we will get used to the new generation. I know that there was a lot of complaining when Ruby and Sapphire hit the market about the lack of creativity in that generation. Looking back on it, I don't know what those people were smoking. I'm thinking that after a few months we'll all get accustomed to the new generation and be able to appreciate it a bit more. But I know what you're saying, for sure, Kettler.
With Pokemon being Pokemon, however, there are always some gems in every generation. Some of the Pokemon that I can really appreciate as far as stylization goes are Empoleon, Drifblim, Torterra, and Floatzel. I also like some of the extensions of the old 386, particularly Electivire, Honchkrow, and Mantyke. Not all hope is lost with these guys in the game.
DisPer on the whole fails for not having Azumarril evolve.
That said, it's a noticeable improvement over RuSa as far as mechanics goes. Splitting physical from special in regards to elements makes so much sense that it's a wonder they didn't do it sooner.
However, this does not mean that it's the best in the series (for various reasons, I'd say this honour falls to Crystal). Not by a long shot. Many of the new Pokémon seem lazily designed, and Gamefreak, in their enthusiasm to make non-evolving Pokémon a rarity reserved primarily for legendaries, certainly didn't put as much effort into making babies and evolutions as they could have. Attacks, too, seem like there's a solid case of "let's make this attack in a different type" over true innovation.
Personally, I think there are several things that they haven't done that would make some degree of sense and enhance the depth of the game:
- Stage 3s, but that would have to be carefully restricted because it's a slippery slope to stage 4s and stage 5s and before you know it we'll have full-blown Digimon evolution trees.
- Triple-types. For example, Charizard deserves to be Fire/Flying/Dragon, Gyarados deserves to be Water/Flying/Dragon, et cetera. Again the slippery slope to quad-types and so forth, so it would have to be a rare thing.
- Multi-element attacks. Self-explanatory.
- Attacks that count as both physical and special.
Off of that note, DiaPer seems far too easy for its own good. A dry run (i.e. no items, unfocused strategy) of the Elite Four got me nearly to the end. No gym leader aside from Roark gave me any kind of trouble, and that's only because of the challenge I was putting myself through (triple starter rush, and my non-Chimchar starters stopped obeying orders). A deeper storyline would've been nice, too. Something that manages to be more than a slight diversion along the route to beating all the gyms and becoming TEH POGEYMANZ MASTA. I don't ask for SS-level diversion here (though the urge to make an SS game in RPG Maker is ever present), merely something other than "foil a team of psychopaths." In short, to summarize this entire post, DiaPer adds a lot of new stuff but what it doesn't expand upon is more damning than can be made up by the few new things it does add.
Oh yeah, and Blaziken doesn't even get Close Combat. What the heck gives?
That said, it's a noticeable improvement over RuSa as far as mechanics goes. Splitting physical from special in regards to elements makes so much sense that it's a wonder they didn't do it sooner.
However, this does not mean that it's the best in the series (for various reasons, I'd say this honour falls to Crystal). Not by a long shot. Many of the new Pokémon seem lazily designed, and Gamefreak, in their enthusiasm to make non-evolving Pokémon a rarity reserved primarily for legendaries, certainly didn't put as much effort into making babies and evolutions as they could have. Attacks, too, seem like there's a solid case of "let's make this attack in a different type" over true innovation.
Personally, I think there are several things that they haven't done that would make some degree of sense and enhance the depth of the game:
- Stage 3s, but that would have to be carefully restricted because it's a slippery slope to stage 4s and stage 5s and before you know it we'll have full-blown Digimon evolution trees.
- Triple-types. For example, Charizard deserves to be Fire/Flying/Dragon, Gyarados deserves to be Water/Flying/Dragon, et cetera. Again the slippery slope to quad-types and so forth, so it would have to be a rare thing.
- Multi-element attacks. Self-explanatory.
- Attacks that count as both physical and special.
Off of that note, DiaPer seems far too easy for its own good. A dry run (i.e. no items, unfocused strategy) of the Elite Four got me nearly to the end. No gym leader aside from Roark gave me any kind of trouble, and that's only because of the challenge I was putting myself through (triple starter rush, and my non-Chimchar starters stopped obeying orders). A deeper storyline would've been nice, too. Something that manages to be more than a slight diversion along the route to beating all the gyms and becoming TEH POGEYMANZ MASTA. I don't ask for SS-level diversion here (though the urge to make an SS game in RPG Maker is ever present), merely something other than "foil a team of psychopaths." In short, to summarize this entire post, DiaPer adds a lot of new stuff but what it doesn't expand upon is more damning than can be made up by the few new things it does add.
Oh yeah, and Blaziken doesn't even get Close Combat. What the heck gives?
PjSparkles
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By far the best additions to this game, as far as pokemon go, were the expansions to the previous generations. Some may argue that it shows the lack of creativity and they might complain that Nintendo is too lazy to come up with original ideas. But looking at it from a gameplay standpoint, this made the game soooooo much better. Now I can finally have some REAL fun with magmar and electabuzz, now that their new evolutions can cause your opponenet to sweat a lil' in battle.
Also, the grass-type eevee was long overdue.
Also, the grass-type eevee was long overdue.
chriscobi634
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here are my two cents besides the list i was going to finish before someone had to complain.
I think we should look at this as a transition Gen. if there are going to be more Gens in the future. I believe that Nintendo/Gamefreaks thought to themselves that the change of how attacks work would by itself overwhelm little kids, which is the audience that Nin./GF. target. We as the older audience (as already mention on this thread) always want more.
I too feel a little disappointed with the new pokemon created. Most are clones but with better stats. Again it may all be part of the transition Gen. The fact that you can obtain like more then 75% of the TMs more then once also points at the transition theory. Before it was almost all about breeding pokemon to get the move you wanted or cloning items/pokemon. Now they give more options of getting the move you want; but we will still have those who are pro cloning/easy way out.
Like someone had mention the same kind of moves for different types of Pokemon is another "clue" that makes this look like a transit Gen.
We can only have fun with what we have now, and hope the next gens bring better pokemon.
I think we should look at this as a transition Gen. if there are going to be more Gens in the future. I believe that Nintendo/Gamefreaks thought to themselves that the change of how attacks work would by itself overwhelm little kids, which is the audience that Nin./GF. target. We as the older audience (as already mention on this thread) always want more.
I too feel a little disappointed with the new pokemon created. Most are clones but with better stats. Again it may all be part of the transition Gen. The fact that you can obtain like more then 75% of the TMs more then once also points at the transition theory. Before it was almost all about breeding pokemon to get the move you wanted or cloning items/pokemon. Now they give more options of getting the move you want; but we will still have those who are pro cloning/easy way out.
Like someone had mention the same kind of moves for different types of Pokemon is another "clue" that makes this look like a transit Gen.
We can only have fun with what we have now, and hope the next gens bring better pokemon.
I just noticed I said "DisPer" instead of "DiaPer" in my above post. Whoops.
In any case, I don't see it as much of a "transition" generation because... transition to what, exactly? A game for Strategists over Trainers? Gamefreak wouldn't do that, not as long as Satoshi Tajiri has anyhting to do with Pokémon. It seems more like the "let's try to revive the franchise" generation more than anything else.
In any case, I don't see it as much of a "transition" generation because... transition to what, exactly? A game for Strategists over Trainers? Gamefreak wouldn't do that, not as long as Satoshi Tajiri has anyhting to do with Pokémon. It seems more like the "let's try to revive the franchise" generation more than anything else.
WHISCASHEX
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Well, considering I'm still living in the ADV world, and my eyes are towards the Doubles metagame, not Singles, there's not too much that jumps out at me. Driftblim is nice when comboed a certain way. Bronzong is a good Psych Up'er for Psycho Pass, aaannd... well, that's about it from me so far. =/
Oh, I like it that Piloswine has a good evo but its stats seem.. stock to me.
Oh, I like it that Piloswine has a good evo but its stats seem.. stock to me.
chriscobi634
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revive it? As far as i'm concern the franscise never died nor did it come close to doing so.
But I'll let you have the last word as you always seem to want to win every thread like this. Then it just ends up being a good discussion for about 2-4 pages before it finally get locked cause you can't seem to take no for an answer.
chriscobi634
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if going by that theory, then there is no way that it's a revival generation. the fad was over almost a year after Pokemon came out, maybe 2.
Flaming_Spinach
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K guys, let's not start some long, pointles argument that will get this thread locked.
Thanks.
Thanks.