Gigas; My take.
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ryanvergel
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This is only the second weekend of cities, man.
I judged the only city within 5 hours of me last week. And I won't have another chance to play until late December, unless I want to drive out 5 hours during the middle of my finals (I'm a junior in college by the way) to play.
Are you even in masters? You're sitting here trying to ask for credentials, when I don't think you can ever even provide such credentials yourself.
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I havent played in cities yet, but I know of a certain few cities that one without using Claydol...
Yes I am in masters silly!
And im not saying its the best way to play the deck, I am just asking if you have anything to back that claim up, from what I have seen so far, Uxie version takes the cake!
Yes I am in masters silly!
And im not saying its the best way to play the deck, I am just asking if you have anything to back that claim up, from what I have seen so far, Uxie version takes the cake!
ryanvergel
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What do you mean by "uxie version". Every version with claydol I've seen ALSO uses at LEAST 2-1 Uxie. So I don't understand at all what you're talking about.
PROTIP: Just because you're on a team doesn't mean you have the best list either. I've never had a problem with quick ball in playtesting. Pokeball is such a wasted card in here. 4 slots to have 2 pokemon grabbing in a deck that literally needs every card every game (minus possibly azelf) is rediculously stupid. I don't know why you wouldn't play quick ball>pokeball. Oh I show you my deck. :/ Every deck list is pretty much the same (trainers/energy wise). I'd rather get a random mespirit then nothing.
Edit: As for great ball, theres more then enough ways to get your pokemon (all of which are basics/Xs), so the reasons to play great ball are for speed. Quick ball is for getting a pokemon (might be X) and to use the faries. While more closer then the pball discussion, great ball will only be used to grab gigas (which should be one of the first grabs you get with a rosey's anyways), palkia, cress, lunatone and maybe uxie. QB hits everything but might hit something you don't really need (I'm not sure what this would be in this deck. Lunatone? Uxie X? :/).
Edit: As for great ball, theres more then enough ways to get your pokemon (all of which are basics/Xs), so the reasons to play great ball are for speed. Quick ball is for getting a pokemon (might be X) and to use the faries. While more closer then the pball discussion, great ball will only be used to grab gigas (which should be one of the first grabs you get with a rosey's anyways), palkia, cress, lunatone and maybe uxie. QB hits everything but might hit something you don't really need (I'm not sure what this would be in this deck. Lunatone? Uxie X? :/).
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PROTIP: Just because you put a protip in your post it doesn't mean that point is any more valid or worth reading. And in your case, it wasn't.
Quickball is utter trash in a deck where almost every card is a basic. Between Roseanne, Great Ball, Luxury Ball, and Bebe, this deck HARDLY needs any more search. I would sooner add in more draw/techs before I put in more search, especially a card like Quick Ball which would reveal 3-5 cards on average before hitting a pokemon, which could eaily reveal info you do not want to
Pokeball is good in this deck, on the other hand. With so few pokemon and their lines being so small, Quick Ball gives away info and has a higher chance getting you something useless than Pokeball, which ALWAYS has a 50% chance.
Personally, I would rather get nothing with Pokeball and be able to draw more than get something I cannot use nor want to get rid of and be able to draw less.
Roseanne, Luxury Ball, Bebe, even Pokeball all can grab the fairies, so including a card that on average has less than a 2% chance of grabbing them is so far beyond useless it makes me want to tear up every Quick Ball in sight. Quick Ball is unreliable, and even a hindrance in this deck. PASS.
Funny, because both of the other 2 protips haven't been worth reading either, but it's okay.
Right. Because obviously you don't want to get those pokemon out as fast as possible. So let's play a card that works 50% of the time and gets a pokemon...that's a basic. Wait a second....I play 4 Roseanne's, 1 Luxury ball, 2-4 bebe's, and pure draw. Why do I need to flip to hit a speciifc pokemon when I have all those cards to get them? Hmmm.
2%? LOL. I run 6 fairies in my list (not going to include uxie X here, because it just kills the whole great ball thing) and 10 none-fairy cards (including 2 other lvl Xs, again neglecting the g.b. point). I'm sorry you don't like to be wrong, but tearing up my cards isn't going to help you become a better player...just a better bully.
Right. Because obviously you don't want to get those pokemon out as fast as possible. So let's play a card that works 50% of the time and gets a pokemon...that's a basic. Wait a second....I play 4 Roseanne's, 1 Luxury ball, 2-4 bebe's, and pure draw. Why do I need to flip to hit a speciifc pokemon when I have all those cards to get them? Hmmm.
2%? LOL. I run 6 fairies in my list (not going to include uxie X here, because it just kills the whole great ball thing) and 10 none-fairy cards (including 2 other lvl Xs, again neglecting the g.b. point). I'm sorry you don't like to be wrong, but tearing up my cards isn't going to help you become a better player...just a better bully.
And yet you still felt obligated to post one.
Who is silly, the fool or the one who follows him? (INB4 you posted one too, that was clearly mockery)
SO why then are you argueing about using Quick Ball when we have enough search? In case you didn't notice (or tried to ignore because it dismantles this attempt at an arguement), I already pointed all of those cards out, and listed Poke Ball as last in each of these. Not to mention I was pointing out how superiour Pokeball is to Quick Ball.
Typo, should have been 25%. The rest of your arguement falls apart once that is pointed out... that that it was held together well.
Yes I do, because I like to make fun of those who use stupid phrases like PROTIP or whatever. Obviously you don't get the idea of using one's own advantage (in this case, a phrase) against them.
Because this is a t2 deck. t2 decks need to be as consistant as possible. Why would you play 10 search when you can play 14 search? 18 search? Theres no need to limit your search number, espically when you have room for more.
25% makes alittle more sence, but not a whole lot. Assuming a non-fairy start (6<8, plus personal choice), I have nearly a 50% chance to hit a fairy with a QB. After a roseanne's, bebe's, luxury ball, ect., my odds just keep increasing. While pokeball is always 50% throughout the game, quick ball only gets better at hitting what you need (factoring in premier bal to eliminate Xs, you can almost always ensure hitting a useful pokemon). Like I said before, theres almost nothing you can hit with a QB that would be considered useless.
Because this is a t2 deck. t2 decks need to be as consistant as possible. Why would you play 10 search when you can play 14 search? 18 search? Theres no need to limit your search number, espically when you have room for more.
25% makes alittle more sence, but not a whole lot. Assuming a non-fairy start (6<8, plus personal choice), I have nearly a 50% chance to hit a fairy with a QB. After a roseanne's, bebe's, luxury ball, ect., my odds just keep increasing. While pokeball is always 50% throughout the game, quick ball only gets better at hitting what you need (factoring in premier bal to eliminate Xs, you can almost always ensure hitting a useful pokemon). Like I said before, theres almost nothing you can hit with a QB that would be considered useless.
Considering I did the same thing to you, I would say I understand the concept =/
Consistant yes, but overstuffing the deck with unreliable search cards is clearly a bad idea. And didn't you JUST tell me that Pokeball isnt needed?
You flip flop in your arguement more than John Kerry.
In your list it might make sense, but we are looking at something... useful, not a deck that sets up t2 and sits there hoping the opponent can't respond.
Obviously you run no dol in your list, so once you use up Uxie, 1-2 Felicity, maybe another Uxie then what? What if you get nailed by wager? If you get a bad draw and need more cards? Your list seems like a hit or miss, whereas most good lists I see are "hit or hit a little later" with Claydol providing draw and Lunatone getting rid of unneeded cards. I was thinking of GOOD lists in my arguement, excuse me if your novelty list escaped my notice/interest, in your list Quick Ball is valid.
ryanvergel
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Brady1: Don't insinuate that people "don't know how to run a deck" when we clearly do. You could avoid all of this trouble if you just didn't talk trash.
ryanvergel
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By very efficiently, he means he won with the deck. Wow, the dude won with 2-1 uxie and 1-1 claydol, sounds pretty FAMILIAR huh.
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^^he can back up his trash talk though....
Im not hating on anyone, maybe it is better with Claydol..., who knows, until it wins you something it isn't.
Nothing but respect for you though, you are a good deck builder, so you know what you are talking about.
The thing about Quick Ball is quite silly, so what if your opponent sees your deck?
Just be better than your opponent, shouldnt be hard for a guy that knows how to run the deck...:S
Im not hating on anyone, maybe it is better with Claydol..., who knows, until it wins you something it isn't.
Nothing but respect for you though, you are a good deck builder, so you know what you are talking about.
The thing about Quick Ball is quite silly, so what if your opponent sees your deck?
Just be better than your opponent, shouldnt be hard for a guy that knows how to run the deck...:S
Clearly he cannot, otherwise he would feel no need to trash talk in the first place.
Winning one thing proves nothing, as can be clearly seen with the 07 Fall BR's where more BR's were won by Kricketune and Mario than Blissey, despite the former two being terrible and the latter being the obvious dominant deck.
Agreed.
Why give them that type of advantage if you do not need to? Why show them you have wager and ruin the suprise of it all? Why show you run Warp Point so you can escape being active while disrupting and not wasting a switch? Why show them you run TSD and can immediately recover both the Lv X and a Gigas with one card? There is no need to give away such info in this deck.
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