Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Grades (Division Five)

Cyrus

Cyrus

Iron Chef - Master Emeritus
~~~Scizor VS Drrty Byl~~~
Scizor

//NAME: Iron Chef T64

4 Super Scoop Up
4 Switch
4 Pokédex HANDY910is
2 Cynthia's Feelings
3 Team Galactic's Wager
4 Bebe's Search
4 Roseanne's Research

10 Fighting Energy
2 Psychic Energy
4 Call Energy

1 Spiritomb L.44 LA
1 Unown Q MD
1 Uxie L.55 LA
1 Azelf LV.X
1 Azelf L.55 LA
1 Palkia LV.X
1 Palkia MD
2 Ariados L32 MT
2 Spinarak L18 MT
4 Medicham ex
4 Meditite L19 DP

Drrty Byl

ConvenienceStoreRobbery.dec

18 Pokemon
3 Meditite DP
3 Medicham ex emerald
3 Gligar LA (94/146)
3 Gliscor LA (5/146)
1 Gliscor Lv.X LA
2 Baltoy GE
2 Claydol GE
1 Azelf LA

28
4 Roseanne's Research
4 Bebe's Search
4 Team Galactic's Wager
4 Professor Oak's Visit
4 Super Scoop Up
4 Switch
2 Devoluter
2 Night Maintenance

14 Energy
4 Call Energy
10 Fighting Energy
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Scizor: (7/4/4)
Drrty Byl: (9/3/4)

WINNER: Drrty Byl

This particular matchup got a lot of attention to detail paid, particularly because it was one of my best friends versus my older brother. To be reasonably sure that I ruled this fairly, I presented the same decks to RyanVergel for his opinion in an anonymous "1"/"2" fashion. He agreed with me, actually suggesting that Drrty Byl deserved more credit for card use than I gave him. I disagreed, and here we are.

So now that I got the biggest hurdle of Division V out of the way, time to move onto the rest.
 
was super scoop up the ingredient?

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i cant edit my posts. was switch an ingredient too? i dont get why dirty barrel would use it
 
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Rhodesia,

Medicham ex was the ingredient. Nearly all of the contestants recognized that Super Scoop Up and Switch were very good with Medicham ex here.

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~~~Fireborn VS Yellowlob~~~

Fireborn

3 Meditite DP 89
3 Medicham EX EM 95
4 Eevee MD 62
2 Glaceon MD 5
1 Espeon MD 18
1 Umbreon MD 32
1 Chatot
2 Kyogre
1 Unown Q
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18 Pokemon

4 Bebe's Search
4 Roseanne's Research
4 Prof Oak's Visit
2 Buck's Training
4 Pokedex
4 Energy Pickup
2 Night Maintenance
2 Warp Point
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26 Trainers

11 Water
4 Multi
1 Fighting
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16 Energies

Yellowlob

4x Meditite
4x Medicham
3x Chatot
2x Omastar

Pokemon 13

8x Fighting
4x Call
1x Water

Energy 13

2x Helix Fossil

3x Rare Candy
4x Super Scoop Up
4x Quick Ball
1x Night Maintenance
2x Warp Point

2x Stark Mountain

1x Fossil Excavator
4x Bebe’s Search
4x Roseanne’s Research
4x Mars
2x Wager
1x Cynthia’s Feelings
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Fireborn: 12 (7/4/4) - 3 for tardiness
Yellowlob: 13 (7/3/3)

WINNER: Yellowlob

~~~Pidgeotto Trainer VS RanDOMinator~~~

Pidgeotto Trainer

Pokemon 20
4 Meditite dp
4 Medicham ex
2 Palkia dp
2 Palkia x
1 Spiritomb
3 Unown Q
1 Spinarak mt
1 Ariados mt
1 Voltorb sw
1 Electrode sw
Trainers 26
4 Bebe’s Search
4 Roseanne’s Research
4 Team Galactica’s Mars
3 Prof. Oak’s Visit
2 Team Galactica’s Wager
4 Technical Machine TS-1
4 Switch
1 Warp Point
Energy 14
4 Call
3 Lightning
6 Fighting
1 Grass

TOTAL CARDS: 60

POKEMON: 20
Level-Up: 2
1 : Gliscor LV.X, LA-141
1 : Uxie LV.X, LA-146
Stage 1: 7
2 : Gliscor, LA-5
3 : Medicham ex, EM-95
2 : Exeggutor, LA-54
Basic: 11
3 : Meditite, DP-89
2 : Exeggcute, LA-93
2 : Uxie, LA-43
2 : Gligar, LA-94
2 : Unown Q, MD-49

TRAINERS: 24
Trainers: 6
3 : Warp Point, MD-88
2 : Night Maintenance, SW-120
1 : Poke Radar, LA-133
Supporters: 14
2 : Cynthia's Feelings, LA-131
3 : Professor Oak's Visit, SW-122
4 : Roseanne's Research, SW-125
3 : Bebe's Search, SW-119
2 : Team Galactic's Wager, MT-115
2 : Technical Machine TS-2, LA-137
2 : Technical Machine TS-1, LA-136
Technical Machines: 4

ENERGY: 16
Special Energy: 4
4 : Call Energy, MD-92
Basic Energy: 12
3 : Psychic Energy, DP-127
9 : Fighting Energy, DP-128
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Pidgeotto Trainer: 17 (9/4/4)
RanDOMinator: 16 (8/4/4)

WINNER: Pidgeotto Trainer

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~~~Tentacruel13 VS BloodDraek~~~

Tentacruel13

Pokemon
3 x Meditite
3 x Medicham ex
3 x Gligar
2 x Gliscor
2 x Gliscor LV.X
2 x Baltoy
2 x Claydol
2 x Unown Q
x

Trainer/Supporter/Stadium
4 x Bebe's Search
3 x Roseanne's Research
2 x Professor Oak's Visit
3 x Warp Point
2 x Switch
2 x Super Scoop Up
2 x Night Maintenance
3 x PlusPower
2 x Buck's Training
2 x Premier Ball

Energy
4 x Call Energy - Special
12 x Fighting Energy - Basic

BloodDraek

pokemon:20

4-4 Medicham EX (DPmeditite of course)
3-1 Uxie Lv.X
4 Absol SW
2-2 bronzong

energy: 14

4 call energy
8 Fighting
2 PSychic

trainers: 26

4 bebe's
4 roseanne's
3 Warp Point
3 TMTS2
4 Team Galactic's Wager
3 Professor Rowan
3 Pokeball
2 Night Maintenance
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Tentacruel13: 13 (8/2/3)
BloodDraek: 14 (8/3/3)

WINNER: BloodDraek
 
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I dont like Cham ex as an ingredient. Iron Chef is supposed to assume "no metagame", but Medicham is a complete metagame card. Its aura shuts off Poke-powers (which nothing should be assumed to have) and its attack does extra damage to fighting resistance (which nothing should be assumed to have). jmho
 
Reasonable logic BigChuck, but the difference is that the Poke-Power is a general mechanic that has existed in the game since Expedition.

It's not a metagame assumption to assume you'll go up against powers at all.

It "is" a metagame assumption to assume you'll go up against a particular power. Of course Medicham's biggest draw is its ability to shut off consistency Poke-Powers; however, in the iron chef format, it is shutting off well over a hundred possible things.
 
Shutting off powers is great now. But Cham is so underpowered in this format, this was an annoying one, I'm glad I got through. Gligar was the other obvious choice, but I chose focusing on Cham's attacks with the locking mechanisms since it is supposed to be focused as much on Cham as possible. 17-16 where 16 wins each other round here, tough break Randominator. GG.
 
Now we just need Tyler and Matt to get through.

GJ to everybody in Pod 5. You all probably had the lamest ingredient. ;/
 
Pidgeotto Trainer said:
Shutting off powers is great now. But Cham is so underpowered in this format, this was an annoying one, I'm glad I got through. Gligar was the other obvious choice, but I chose focusing on Cham's attacks with the locking mechanisms since it is supposed to be focused as much on Cham as possible. 17-16 where 16 wins each other round here, tough break Randominator. GG.
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How is Gligar obvious? And I think you mean Gliscor.

And really Cyrus, a 2 fir creativity? Only one other person did Gliscor, but it's still pretty creative. It deserves more than a 2 IMO.
 
Three people did Gliscor: yourself (Tenta 13), Drrty Byl, and RanDOMinator.

It's not a problem to come up with an idea that somebody else comes up with - it happens all the time. But, in terms of creativity, I found your entry lacking.

I'll offer the others as comparison:

-Drrty Byl himself barely made a three on creativity. The one thing that put him over the top, though, was the addition of Technical Machine TS-2, which is a superb play in a deck mercilessly spreading counters.

-RanDOMinator went above and beyond. He had a clever attempt at a hand disruption combo, the awesome TS-2, and the Gliscor idea working. It seemed a little off topic in a sense, but there was a coherent, unique strategy at work.


But that's about it. Better luck next time, Tenta. :frown:

I'll agree with Wooper to the extent that you guys did a great job. I'm especially impressed with how much bottom seeds have stepped up, with the difference being very small between underdogs and incumbents in nearly every round!
 
I have gotten a 14 on every single decklist, I really need to step up my game for Top 32.

Good Game Tenta, hopefully no hard feelings
 
This is the last thing I'm going to post regarding this contest. I'm out now, so it doesn't matter what I say, but I think there needs to be some re-examining for the future.

I think this contest has gotten to a point where there are too many matches where there are two legitimate players going head to head. Is that bad? No, it's great! The problem is, it is coming down to one person's vote. You have your own way of looking at things, Kettler, just like I would or any other skilled deckbuilder. I don't think I got a fair shot with only two judge decisions. I have shown this thread to a lot of people and they seem to have some big issues with what people paired Medicham ex with, particularly Gliscor.

I would assume my list got a 7 because it is "inconsistent" by your terms. I explained in my write up that I ran Pokedex instead of something like Oak's Visit because it would have created way too many Supporters. Now, you have said before that this contest isn't about how the decks perform, but then you go ahead and mark down because of that? That isn't really right. I mean, anyone who has played enough games with our current format knows that too many Supporters clog your hand and make things inconsistent. Pokedex also gets me to Medicham ex faster than another Supporter would, considering I can't even use two in a turn. I believe I can also legitimately argue that adding another Stage 1 to the deck makes it less focused and inconsistent. The object with Medicham ex should always be to get a Turn 2 Cham. My deck does that and then it sets up its other things.

In comparison between your brother and I, I don't really understand how I got the same score in card use. I think you really overrated Gliscor. In order for his deck to fire off what it wants, he needs both out. Like, the problem to me here is that his object is to get out Gliscor LV.X and keep doing 60 and bringing Medicham ex up. So, his idea is to not even attack with Medicham ex? Sure, he has the option, but that has to be taking away from the card's use. My deck abused everything about the card: Its Body, Pure Power, it being an ex, it having one retreat, etc. I am getting the vibe that I didn't get a 5 in card use because I didn't use Devoluter and he got a 4 because he used it. That seems flawed to me. Devoluter is cute, except my build doesn't have room for it and his is aiming to attack with Gliscor, not Medicham. Since he isn't even using Pure Power, Devoluter acutally makes less sense in his build than it would mine.

Now, if he would have ran Stark Mountain, he could Pure Power without even attaching Energy to Cham. That would have been solid and I think deserves to be considered in the score. Just because his list may look more consistent, doesn't mean that should be the entire score for list. He's missing Stark Mountain, and I think it is at worse debatable that it should run Uxie, considering you can't run Claydol and he's just as reliant on Gliscor as he is Cham. I also think Azelf LV.X is too good to not play. It goes with the theme of Pure Power (even though his build doesn't seem like it concentrates on that), and he's running Devoluter.

One thing I think people may be missing about Cham is that it doesn't need Night Maintenance in any build, either. Even your brother's. It's a waste of space. I am sure the logic for NM in his build is that he wants to get back Gliscor right away? When 3 Chams die, you lose the game anyways and he runs 16 Supporters, he shouldn't have a problem getting them back. If that was a problem, TSD is a superior play, but if it wasn't, NM is showing that he is concentrating on Gliscor, which should lower his score more than it did.

I hope that I at least may have pointed out something that you didn't see, good luck to everyone else in the contest.
 
Chad,

Please point out to me where I have said that deck performance doesn't matter, because consistency is one of the primary focuses in the "deck" score.

Let me be clear: when I am very unsure on the consistency of a build, I actually shuffle and test it. The supporter issue is fine (in case you're wondering, nothing was counted off for 'Dex at all), but the point is that the Ariados list simply did not setup well. The Gliscor list set up at a much better pace.

I do agree with you that there are simply way too many good players matching up with good players. It's a ton of fun to see matches go down to the wire, but not five or six times!

Although the grading may seem a little loopy, it's what I have to do to accurately reflect my opinion within the system. I think over AIM I have explained how there can be disparity between even the same score in my opinion.

By next contest (or maybe even the next round), I intend to change it to allow for flexibility.
 
I am not taking sides here but, both Scizor and Cyrus will hear from me. Cyrus-The "real" Iron chef has a panel of 3 judges. So why don't we have 3 Judges?

Scizor-I think its the best way to settle any "Sour Grapes" that are very obvious right now. The grading right now is flawed dramatically. I have seen one week, a deck with 27 pokemon, and horrendous trainer list and energy setup, yet get 9/10 on the list. Someone else did that and got like 5.

Cyrus-So far, I give the grader a grade of
6/4/3=13

Inconsistant, change ur views of consistency after every round, and card use, we dont have a very clear understanding of that. I would consider a good card use, something to the extent that ever card in the deck revolves around the other cards. All cards serve a VITAL importance, I have created that last round and got 4...I think. I should have not commented on this, but I did, and I did win my round against a very solid opponent, so I am happy.

I am not trying to be "mean" Cyrus about your scoring there, but I think its for the best if we had 3 judges, so were not stuck with only one opinion.
 
I also agree that I think this contest would be enhanced by a 3-5 person committee, especially in these close 1 on 1s. (one person is more acceptable imo in breaking down the huge pods).
 
Vegeta ss4 said:
I am not taking sides here but, both Scizor and Cyrus will hear from me. Cyrus-The "real" Iron chef has a panel of 3 judges. So why don't we have 3 Judges?

Scizor-I think its the best way to settle any "Sour Grapes" that are very obvious right now. The grading right now is flawed dramatically. I have seen one week, a deck with 27 pokemon, and horrendous trainer list and energy setup, yet get 9/10 on the list. Someone else did that and got like 5.

Cyrus-So far, I give the grader a grade of
6/4/3=13

Inconsistant, change ur views of consistency after every round, and card use, we dont have a very clear understanding of that. I would consider a good card use, something to the extent that ever card in the deck revolves around the other cards. All cards serve a VITAL importance, I have created that last round and got 4...I think. I should have not commented on this, but I did, and I did win my round against a very solid opponent, so I am happy.

I am not trying to be "mean" Cyrus about your scoring there, but I think its for the best if we had 3 judges, so were not stuck with only one opinion.
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Funny you say that, because my rules of consistency have remained extremely stable throughout the whole contest - which is a reason why only one person out of hundreds of entries has been able to receive a 10 on score.

Also, I'd be more than happy to hear your reasoning for what [insert "27 pokemon, and horrendous trainer list" here] was, and why it didn't deserve a 9. If you're going to critique my judging, then at least give me some citations, or it's useless.

As I've stated elsewhere, the reason why there is only one judge in charge of the early rounds is that I have done the "let's have more judges" game, and it has failed. Having to wait on other people to help run your contest leads to inactivity in said contest for a _month_.

However, I like diversity of opinion, and I admit that I'm human. Top 32 will be pleased to hear that my voter override system (mentioned at the start of the contest) is going to be in place in some form. Now that the field is much more limited, this is actually possible to do.
 
When you submitted to this contest you knew there was going to be just one judge.
Whoever claims there should be more judges or is unhappy with the judging may choose not to participate!
Its incredibly hard to correct all these entries. It demands TIME and Cyrus is doing it for FREE.
The man is even throwing prizes for us !
Even if some of you arent happy with the grading, who cares ?????
He is the one that judges, not you. If you want to judge, then make your own contest !

The whole point of this torunament is to have fun and i think some people lost it somewhere.

Agustin
 
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