Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

HGSS Hypno compared to Prime Houndoom

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You can't really mistranslate something to add words. If the power said "Burn you're opponents active Pokemon" It's gonna be close to impossible to somehow translate that as "Flip a coin, if heads, burn you're opponents active Pokemon."
 
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Houndoom's attack costs 3 energy ([D][D][C]) and does 70 damage and the defending pokemon cant retreat.
Hypno's attack costs 3 energy ([P][C][C]) and does 30 damage and 10 damage to one benched pokemon.
Houndoom has -20 resistance to psychic and 1 energy retreat cost.
Hypno has NO resistance and 2 energy retreat cost.

Houndoom is better than Hypno.
 
Great Houndoom is a lot better than Hypno for the reasons stated by the above posters. Better Attack, better HP, better Power.

Is it 'good enough' to be a Great Pokemon? I dunno how you would answer that. Is there some kind of agreed standard for these things?

Did Snorlax, Dialga (not G), and Mismagius GL deserve to be LV Xs?

Did Lapras EX and Chansey EX deserve to be EXs?

We are bound to get good, bad and average Great Pokemon, just like we do with everything else.
 
One plus is that it can be used from the bench which is nice. I good see it working in a blaziken fb deck because his body says that attacks do plus 40 to burned pokemon.
 
I don't really get what you're getting at or where you're hoping to go with it...

but I think that the reason they've done it is because Houndoom is seen to be on of the "cool" Pokemon in the 2nd Generation hence they've made it into a prime/great...
 
Houndoom's power is once per turn...and if you have multiples in play, one of them is bound to hit. (gambler's fallacy)
 
I see no use for Houndoom prime while we still have Blaziken PL. Same power, but without the fip. Same attack, but Blaziken has an extra attack for big damage. So why are people even thinking about using Houndoom with Blaziken still in the format?
 
There is no such thing as a Pokemon Prime. It does not mean anything to say its a prime It is just a pokemon. The Blissye that some call prime has just as much HP as the other onw in the set that is not prime and it only does 60 damage for 3 energy. Just average. I wil continue to not believe that Pokemon Prime exist until the time that the game actually acknowleges that they exist. Right now there is neither an energy or stadium or trainer or pokebody or anything that only effects or only exludes Pokemon Prime.

So if the game dose not recognize that Pokemon Prime exist why should we continue to pretend that they do?
 
That's it, I'm making a sig change to reflect my thoughts on Prime Pokemon :p

But anyways, to answer the topic's question, all I can say is you have your good Primes and your bad Primes; not all are created equal. Houndoom Prime falls more into the latter category, though for what it's worth, I do like the chance at Burn (better than the Sleep Hypno offers, Sleep is a joke) and I think it could make for a fun deck. Just a shame we don't have that old Stadium that turned Burn damage into a serious 40 instead of the usual 20.
 
The word 'Prime' is not part of the name. The same as Lv. X was not part of the name. They just have better attacks - in some cases.

Not like the good old days of the ex series, those were so good the rated to have ex part of the name.

A Lv. X / Prime is just the same old card, with different attacks / powers / bodies. Nothing special.
 
EeveeLover said:
The word 'Prime' is not part of the name. The same as Lv. X was not part of the name. They just have better attacks - in some cases.

Not like the good old days of the ex series, those were so good the rated to have ex part of the name.

A Lv. X / Prime is just the same old card, with different attacks / powers / bodies. Nothing special.
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Lv. X was part of the game. There are multiple cards that directly and specifically reference the Lv. X card type.

Milotic, Premier Ball, Porygon Z, Gengar X, etc.

On top of that Lv. X's function differently and affect how a deck is built differently than a prime does. The names are the same and they take up the same space, yes, but other than that they are very different.

With this difference, primes have a little more of an excuse to suck (especially a stage 1). :)
 
Just because the two share a power doesn't mean that they're the same, or need to be treated as such. Other posters have pointed out why Houndoom is a superior card, even if the two do have similarities.
 
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There is no such thing as a Pokemon Prime. It does not mean anything to say its a prime It is just a pokemon. The Blissye that some call prime has just as much HP as the other onw in the set that is not prime and it only does 60 damage for 3 energy. Just average. I wil continue to not believe that Pokemon Prime exist until the time that the game actually acknowleges that they exist. Right now there is neither an energy or stadium or trainer or pokebody or anything that only effects or only exludes Pokemon Prime.

So if the game dose not recognize that Pokemon Prime exist why should we continue to pretend that they do?
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I have a pack of HS: Unleashed right here infront of me. Now on the back of the pack, there is a small paragraph to make people excited about the set. It reads:

"Raikou... Entei... Suicune... Alone, each of these Legendary Pokemon is a force to be reckoned with, but let loose in pairs, they become amazing LEGEND cards! In the HS-Unleashed expansion, you'll find Pokemon Prime bursting at the seams, powerful Pokemon like Jirachi and Shaymin raring to join you in the battle, and Pokemon LEGENDs joining forces for twice the excitement! Are you a powerful enough trainer to command what's been Unleashed?"

Pokemon Prime DO exist.
 
I think by saying they 'don't exist' he meant the game does not acknowledge a difference between the normal and the Prime. I think they had to do that, though. Can you imagine a deck with 1 SF Gengar, 2 CurseGar, a Gengar Lv. X, AND 2 Gengar Primes??? It'd be a nightmare. So they either had to include something like the Lv X rule, where even though they have extra stuff written on top they count as the same name, or not make a distinction the game recognized.

The first is a viable option, but they did that with Lv. X's. This is a NEW card block and thus must be NEW, we can't have anything left hanging over from the old cards! (Or something like that.)
 
amphachu said:
I see no use for Houndoom prime while we still have Blaziken PL. Same power, but without the fip. Same attack, but Blaziken has an extra attack for big damage. So why are people even thinking about using Houndoom with Blaziken still in the format?
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Because you can set up a houndoom turn 1 with BTS because it's a stage one wheras blaziken is a stage two, however, i agree in saying blaziken is better.

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primes have a little more of an excuse to suck
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@ everyone saying primes are not real names since the cards don't say prime

I agree that it's stupid BUT.....

In all fairness the Pokemon TCG commercials and advertisments use the term "Pokemon Prime"
 
70 damge, and they cant retreat

hate to be "that guy" but lets get hypothetical for a sec.

hes hitting for 70 with [d][d][c]

place 3 darkness, and your hitting for 100(though it will probably be placing 2 for 90)

then belt him, and your doing 120(110)

and they cant retreat

and hes a stage 1

i think its pretty good. also in conjunction with blaziken it could rip it up

be more optimistic guys, just because it doesnt read the same as luxray x doesnt mean its bad.
 
Absoltrainer said:
@ everyone saying primes are not real names since the cards don't say prime

I agree that it's stupid BUT.....

In all fairness the Pokemon TCG commercials and advertisments use the term "Pokemon Prime"
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Yea commericals say lots of thing. IF you belived advertising you would think that TCG release of Poekmon Emerrald was a fantastic set. You can subsitute the word "Awesome" for Prime and it would not have any effect on the game. Pokemon * (star) was a game mechanic, Pokemon EX was a game mechaninc, Pokemon EX was a game mechanic, pokemon level X was a game mechanic, pokemon SP was a game mechanic and Pokemon Legendary is a game mechanic.

But no where in the Game is Prime Pokemon a mechanic. There are no trainers, stadiums, Supporters, Attacks, Pokepowers or Pokembodies that interact any differently with a supposedly Pokemon Prime then they do wit h a supposedly regular pokemon. IF the fact that a Pokemon is Prime has absolutly zero imapct on the gamestate, then what is actually gained by refering to it as a prime. A HGSS Donpahn, is a donpahn is a donpahn. No matter wich one you use in your deck. All other cards in your decks will function exactly the same no matter wich one you pick. There is no Intrinsic difference in either choice, per the game.
 
JandPDS said:
Yea commericals say lots of thing. IF you belived advertising you would think that TCG release of Poekmon Emerrald was a fantastic set. You can subsitute the word "Awesome" for Prime and it would not have any effect on the game. Pokemon * (star) was a game mechanic, Pokemon EX was a game mechaninc, Pokemon EX was a game mechanic, pokemon level X was a game mechanic, pokemon SP was a game mechanic and Pokemon Legendary is a game mechanic.

But no where in the Game is Prime Pokemon a mechanic. There are no trainers, stadiums, Supporters, Attacks, Pokepowers or Pokembodies that interact any differently with a supposedly Pokemon Prime then they do wit h a supposedly regular pokemon. IF the fact that a Pokemon is Prime has absolutly zero imapct on the gamestate, then what is actually gained by refering to it as a prime. A HGSS Donpahn, is a donpahn is a donpahn. No matter wich one you use in your deck. All other cards in your decks will function exactly the same no matter wich one you pick. There is no Intrinsic difference in either choice, per the game.
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Well tbh, it really doesn't matter what you think compared to what PUI thinks; if they call them Primes and list them as such on their own packaging/promotional material, sure sounds like they're Prime to me. Regardless of what criteria you think they have to have in order to be considered a mechanic, or based on your past posts, proof they even exist.

And for what it's worth, Emerald wasn't a super bad set; yeah, it is lousy overall, but it gave us quite a few nice cards like Battle Frontier, Medicham EX, etc. I'd argue HGSS is at least as "bad", if not worse, so far.
 
Advertising does not count. If there was never in mention of Pokemon level X any any form of advertising I could prove to you about 5 different ways that the gamestate acknowlegeds the existance of Pokemon level X. But if you take away the adverting on Primes, there is not one single way you can prove that they exist is there?!?!

I will agree with you that Primes exist if you can give me just one example of proof that they exist inside a game of pokemon, Once the starting Pokemon are flipped over and the first card is then drawn at what point does the gamestate recognize any Pokemon as being a prime?

If you can answer that I will agree with you that Primes do exist. If you cant then you should agree with me that they infact do not.
 
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