How much does an opponent dropping ruin your resistance?

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  1. Umbreon777

    Umbreon777 New Member

    I invaded a Miami CC on the 30th and first round, won against someone who ended up being 0-2, and dropping. From then on, I always played down. When I was 2-0, I played 1-1. When I was 3-0, I played 2-1. After 5 rounds, there were 5 people in masters (including me) who were 4-1 and I missed cut.

    Now, I am fully aware that this could have been the result of either coincidental randomizing or just plain bad resistance. But the question I am asking is if whether my opponent dropping hurt my resistance whatsoever.

  2. ShawofMordor

    ShawofMordor New Member

    Missing the cut is never an issue of randomizing. It is always done by your resistance, which is your opponent's win %. If your opponent drops, it hurts you (in theory) more the earlier they drop. This is because they get losses each round since they aren't there, so their win % goes down. If they had not dropped they could have possibly won a game, but, an opponent that is 2-1 and drops in a 5 round tournament is just as bad as someone who doesn't drop and goes 2-3.
  3. Umbreon777

    Umbreon777 New Member

    Thank you, it was just so dissapointing that he dropped after 2 rounds.

    By the way, the randomizing was about being paired down.
  4. bullados

    bullados <a href="

    Wait... What?

    Resistance is based solely on your opponent's win percentage in the games that they actually played. The only modification in the calculation is that the minimum win % is 33%, and the maximum is 66%. If a 0-1 opponent drops, you have a 33% factored into your Op Win %.
  5. Hey, it was so great to meet you when you "invaded" Miami CC and that was such a great game we played, sorry I won on time when you had it. Playing down sucks, and your oppotants dropping doesn't help your resistance eather. 5th, uggg, I know how you feel, I got 5th on Saturday in Avon Park, 5-1, miss cut, :frown:.

    Anyways resistance is caculated by- the win % of each of your opponets then divided by amount of rounds (5-0=100%, 4-1=80% ... 1-4=20%* 0-5=0%.)**

    *However the lowest win % that will be caculated in to you op win % is 33.33% (So 1-4 and 0-5=33.33%)

    **If a player drops the lowest they can contrbute to your op win % is 33.33%, the highest they contrbute is 66.66%, (so... 0/2 drop=0%, but when caculated in to your op win %=33.33%. while 2/0 drop=100%, but when caculated in to your op win %=66.66% )

    So Mike went 0-2 drop, so he contributed 33.33% to your op win %

    Fill in the blanks here

    RD1 vs Mike who went 0-2 drop=33.33%
    RD2 vs ??=??
    RD3 vs ??=??
    RD4 vs Me, I went 4-1=80%
    RD5 vs Someone who finnshed at 3-2 because you didnt play down=60%


    Divide answer by 5, and you have your op win %

    BTW you playing down twice was compltely random.

    Again it was nice meeting you, if you are in town again feel free to invade again. Get me on AIM sometime- Acasp13
  6. Umbreon777

    Umbreon777 New Member

    Awesome. That's all I needed to know.

    (I think I am just ill about getting 5th...)
  7. Magic_Umbreon

    Magic_Umbreon Researching Tower Scientist, Retired

    You know 0-2 drop is the equivalent of going 0-5 (losing the rest of the rounds) which he probably would have anyway otherwise maybe he'd have played on instead?
  8. ShadowTogetic

    ShadowTogetic New Member

    How much does it hurt? A lot. A whole lot
  9. Umbreon777

    Umbreon777 New Member

    No, I can guarantee he would not have lost the rest. I could even put money on 3-2. He just didnt feel like playing.
  10. ShadowGuard

    ShadowGuard <a href="

    Playing against an opponent who drops with no wins doesn't matter that much. You get 33% TieBrk for him, if he would stay and win all remaining rounds, he'd give a 60% TieBrk which means that your total resistance would be less than 6% higher. Of course, only in the case that he would have won ALL the upcoming matches. If he'd lost just one more, he'd get 40% and your resistance would be less than 2% higher.

    There are some other things that happen much more often and are similar evil.

    Playing against a player who got a bye:
    3-1 -> 75% (whitout bye)
    3-1 (with one bye) -> 2-1 -> 66%
    since a bye does not count as win when calculating resistance

    This is a difference of more than 2% in the total resistance in a four-round-tournament. That's more than the average "0-2 dropping player". I missed tops in a BR (5 rounds + Top 4) ONLY because of this, and in another BR it also made a hard impact to my TieBreaker (yeah I was the only one with 3-0 score after round 3, lost the last match and missed Top 2).
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