Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

How to deal with players that tries to cheat.

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The more I think on this, threatening the game loss is the way to go. IMHO

-If the Azelf player gives, then they are likely not cheating, not knowing whats in hand, they still have a decent shot at winning their second turn or at least it being a game. better that than a loss to a jerk, not calling anyone here a jerk, it is a hypothetical situation.

-If the Unown G player gives.... they won't, cheating or not. There is nothing to gain from it, anyway it goes.

-If teh Azelf Player does not give then they are likely cheating, for teh reason mentioned above, they still have a shot and to not give in is kind of lopsided, it just shows their greed, which puts them at teh cheating end.

So that being said those are just IMO, I would definitely have a discussion with the HJ before doing anything besides threatening the loss.
That would be a crazy situation, and I feel liek something was left out or not understood through the language barrier. And with stating how that could be handled, it feels like teh judge didn't care who was cheating, it was a local who wanted teh win and the judge favorited and gave it to him.


*Likely: it means it's not 100% but it seems logical.
 
ShuckleLVX said:
Then what WOULD you do? Not trying to argue, just curious. You seem strongly opposed to the reroll as well.
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Like any ruling, it depends on how my investigation went.

There is no requirement for the judge to reach a conclusion "beyond reasonable doubt" if he doesn't rule cheating or unsporting conduct.

I would weigh the evidence, and if I determined it was just a misunderstanding, I'd rule in favor of the player where the evidence was strongest.

A dual game loss would be reserved for 1) argumentative, belligerent players, or 2) serious negligence by both players (ie., flipping basics and both players drawing cards).

A reflip will be reserved for situations were neither player was sure of the original result, or other minor misunderstandings (ie., which side of the coin was heads/tails).

I never said a reflip was wrong. I just said it should be last resort.
 
This sounds more like a misunderstanding than cheating. I have been unfortunate enough to see what real cheating looks like. This does not really follow any of the usual patterns.
 
Sorry to high-jack this thread for a bit but I was thinking of something. It just seems that the cheater seems to get the better end of the deal by cheating...unless they get caught. Like if the had a bad start, BAM, start some confusion as to who goes first and they can possibly get out of it :p

So what I've been thinking is that the opponent can purposely mark YOUR deck. Since the opponent has the option of shuffling your deck, they will. While they do that, they will make slight marks on your sleeves on certain cards (not too hard since if you side shuffle, you can see what's on the bottom and decide to mark what "looks" like good mark targets). Then halfway through the game if the opponent is losing, they can just call over the judge and stir some trouble by asking about your marked cards.

Like how can you protect yourself from this? I'm not saying that I'm going to do this but I want to know how to make sure I'm not that one that is being cheated. Just like how I sort of know how to stack my deck; I DON'T do this and I DISCOURAGE people from doing this. But knowing how stacking works can protect you from losing to a stacker.
 
Fuzzywuzzy, good call on opponents marking your deck; this would be VERY easy to accomplish and might even be enough to get a suspension.
 
Fuzzy, if people get called on marked sleeves its not just whether or not there are marks, but whether or not there is a clear pattern and an advantage was achieved. I can't just make a slight mark on a few random cards in your deck and penalize you mid-game. Furthermore, if my opponent is looking at my deck while side shuffling I'm calling a judge so fast that heads will spin.
 
ChaosJim said:
Fuzzy, if people get called on marked sleeves its not just whether or not there are marks, but whether or not there is a clear pattern and an advantage [DEL]was[/DEL] could conceivably be achieved.
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Jim, I fixed your quote just a little bit.

Still, as has been said, it would be hard for an opponent to do unnoticed.
 
speaking as a judge who has been involved in several marked sleeves situations at higher level events (nats, worlds): we judges look VERY hard at all the evidence with regard to marked sleeves.

there is going to be a LOT of discussion among the judge team before any decision is made...we do not jump automatically to a DQ. and if the opponent starts out making a case for that...=/

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Yeh for those still worried about the coin flip thing (because when I first read that I was terrified...) you may be able to ask someone at the table next to you to witness the flip before it happens, however I wouldn't bother them unless I was really suspicious of my opponent. As for the sleeve thing, I don't think it would be much of a problem, as long as they don't get really lucky and mark all of your Pokemon or something.
 
In my opinion the thing that I would do to stop this is put the dice rolled on top of the opponents Active pokemon that is flipped over. Perhaps you can tell the judge that you did that. And if the die is on his side, well that may persuade him to go in your opinion. Now that may not be the best way, but it may work... Especially because you had an agreement the moment you sat the die down on his card. And he didnt try to take it off or ask you why you are doing that or whatever lol.
 
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