Japan's New Format and some new BW rules
- Thread starter kirbypopstarhero
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Lol not gonna scream and run around causing chaos?
DoomScizor
New Member
True, lol My bad.
dialga master
Member
Hmmm it looks like all the major rule things were covered.
I wonder if cards like dialga, mesprit, powerspray, glaceon, spiritomb, vileplume etc will get irrated.
If you can't play rare candy on a pokemons first turn, will BTS be irrated?
Lots of things PUSA will have to get straight.
EDIT
Where is the candy rule?
I wonder if cards like dialga, mesprit, powerspray, glaceon, spiritomb, vileplume etc will get irrated.
If you can't play rare candy on a pokemons first turn, will BTS be irrated?
Lots of things PUSA will have to get straight.
EDIT
Where is the candy rule?
My problem is that these rules don't seem like they are going to come LATER for us.
The game is going to get weird when the rules go into effect. I do not look forward to it.
- At Worlds, even though they normally follow our rules, the rules have never been that different.
- These rules are going into effect for Japan's BW set, the same set we will get within this 2010-2011 season.
The game is going to get weird when the rules go into effect. I do not look forward to it.
Shadow Zangoose
New Member
Wow. Just wow. Gigantic misplay on your part PCL. I don't even know what to say to this. I supported the game through all sorts of stupid rules changes and mechanics, but really guys? Come on now. This is beyond stupid.
How can they enforce what here with what we have? Everything pre BW is unaffected, except for Rare Candy and all the old cards are played the same? Awesome. SP is going to slaughter your world. Yet at the same time, if everything is changed to match up with these new rules... SP still slaughters your world because there's no real stage 2 opposition at this point. Machamp? Lol, Machamp.
Well, the alternative is to rotate stuff BEFORE Nationals... but that would be a nightmare there too. What reason is there to nerf Rare Candy? Really? Gengar Prime, but... : / Gengar Prime sucks.
Hide yo' kids, hide yo' wife, because we're about to have a whole big mess on our hands.
Also, Inb4 "LOLOL POKEGYM DOOMSAYERS, SHUT UP, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WILL PLAY OUT!" It's going to be a mess. Period.
How can they enforce what here with what we have? Everything pre BW is unaffected, except for Rare Candy and all the old cards are played the same? Awesome. SP is going to slaughter your world. Yet at the same time, if everything is changed to match up with these new rules... SP still slaughters your world because there's no real stage 2 opposition at this point. Machamp? Lol, Machamp.
Well, the alternative is to rotate stuff BEFORE Nationals... but that would be a nightmare there too. What reason is there to nerf Rare Candy? Really? Gengar Prime, but... : / Gengar Prime sucks.
Hide yo' kids, hide yo' wife, because we're about to have a whole big mess on our hands.
Also, Inb4 "LOLOL POKEGYM DOOMSAYERS, SHUT UP, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WILL PLAY OUT!" It's going to be a mess. Period.
bullados
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Haven't we been clammoring for more turn 1 abilities since the rule changed and we were no longer allowed to play anything other than Pokemon and Energy on the first turn? This is probably too far in the other direction, but I still like the idea of being able to actually do something on the first turn of the game.
I've been BEGGING for Pokemon Breeder over Rare Candy for years. Good to see the format slow down.
Not a fan of the Powers/Bodies merge, honestly. I liked that locking abilities could be limited to either constant or activated effects, and I liked how clear it was whether an ability was activated or constant. It was probably easier that way too.
Never really liked the clean break they made in the DP era amongst the Trainers. Yes, it was a good idea to split out the Supporters into their own category. They pretty much always have been, to be honest. But Stadiums were never particularly big in this game, at least in part because they haven't really had any game changing effects, outside of a select few. Rolling Stadiums back into Trainers simplifies things a lot, and I like that aspect of this a lot.
Discarding Supporters immediately removes quite possibly the greatest deterrent to misplays and cheating that I can possibly think of. Having a Supporter sitting right next to your Active Pokemon is a game state check, and it makes it a TON more difficult to accidentally play down two Supporters in one turn.
I've been BEGGING for Pokemon Breeder over Rare Candy for years. Good to see the format slow down.
Not a fan of the Powers/Bodies merge, honestly. I liked that locking abilities could be limited to either constant or activated effects, and I liked how clear it was whether an ability was activated or constant. It was probably easier that way too.
Never really liked the clean break they made in the DP era amongst the Trainers. Yes, it was a good idea to split out the Supporters into their own category. They pretty much always have been, to be honest. But Stadiums were never particularly big in this game, at least in part because they haven't really had any game changing effects, outside of a select few. Rolling Stadiums back into Trainers simplifies things a lot, and I like that aspect of this a lot.
Discarding Supporters immediately removes quite possibly the greatest deterrent to misplays and cheating that I can possibly think of. Having a Supporter sitting right next to your Active Pokemon is a game state check, and it makes it a TON more difficult to accidentally play down two Supporters in one turn.
*facepalm* pokemon, what are you doing, stop changing your mind every year about core things. It doesn't make things easier, if anything it is harder, when you have cards that bend the core rules or constant erratas in a format.
And what is happening at worlds? JPN have this format for nationals then have to play our format for worlds, doesn't seem that fair to be honest.
Are we going to lose all our card pool in February? Really, give people an idea of what is happening.
And what is happening at worlds? JPN have this format for nationals then have to play our format for worlds, doesn't seem that fair to be honest.
Are we going to lose all our card pool in February? Really, give people an idea of what is happening.
I should've gone with my gut instinct and stopped reading after the author mentioned not knowing if he translated correctly or something like that...
All the same, I'm uneasy, but eager at the same time. I'm not liking the candy thing but if it means a slower and completely new format I'll be willing to take a crack at it :3
I am curious what this means for us after black and white though...and I'm heavilly disapointed to hear we won't be seeing a new pokemon mechanic like xs and such.
All the same, I'm uneasy, but eager at the same time. I'm not liking the candy thing but if it means a slower and completely new format I'll be willing to take a crack at it :3
I am curious what this means for us after black and white though...and I'm heavilly disapointed to hear we won't be seeing a new pokemon mechanic like xs and such.
People should still be getting out of school or work
kirbypopstarhero
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from the quick rule changes reference page
http://www.pokemon-card.com/howto/new-rule/
グッズ「ふしぎなアメ」の効果
「ふしぎなアメ」は、最初の自分の番に使うことができなくなりました。また、その番に出したばかりのポケモンや、「たねポケモン」を「1進化ポケモン」に 進化させることもできません。前の番から出していた「たねポケモン」を「2進化ポケモン」に進化させるカードになります。
legendシリーズまでに登場した「ふしぎなアメ」はすべて、新しい効果で使ってください。
新しい説明文
自分の「たね」ポケモン1匹から進化する「1進化」の上の「2進化」ポケモンを、手札から1枚選び、その「たね」ポケモンの上にのせて進化させる。
[最初の自分の番と、この番出したばかりの「たね」ポケモンには使えない。]
this last line is the one which states the change, everything before explains how was before and how to apply now.
Qwachansey
Active Member
The Rare Candy thing is really annoying. :/
Politoed666
New Member
This is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.
T/S/S on the first turn? Yeah, that's great. Let's make it so players don't even get one turn off! Cool! Perhaps this won't be such a big deal two or three years from now when the format becomes at least B/W-on, since all the card that have been revealed so far are utter garbage, but while certain cards are still legal, that is an awful rule. Let's hope it doesn't prove to be correct.
Well, at least the power creep seems to have finally come to a grinding halt. There's not a single playable card that's been released.
T/S/S on the first turn? Yeah, that's great. Let's make it so players don't even get one turn off! Cool! Perhaps this won't be such a big deal two or three years from now when the format becomes at least B/W-on, since all the card that have been revealed so far are utter garbage, but while certain cards are still legal, that is an awful rule. Let's hope it doesn't prove to be correct.
Well, at least the power creep seems to have finally come to a grinding halt. There's not a single playable card that's been released.
vanderbilt_grad
New Member
Honestly the more I think about the more I like these rules ... for HGSS-on.
If we have issues it will be because ... once again ... we are doing it differently than Japan. But even with that said it's very possible that this might all balance out. If we get lost world and these rule changes at the same time with our next set it could be really interesting. You will be getting stong anti-sp at the same time you get a rule change that makes SP stronger.
If we have issues it will be because ... once again ... we are doing it differently than Japan. But even with that said it's very possible that this might all balance out. If we get lost world and these rule changes at the same time with our next set it could be really interesting. You will be getting stong anti-sp at the same time you get a rule change that makes SP stronger.
ShadowCard
Active Member
Not adopting the "Goods" term appears to have been a very good if all of those Goods are about to go back to being called Trainers.
The use of Powers and Bodies made it really simple to determine which effects required activation and are optional and which effects were automatic and mandatory. Why put them back together?
Pokemon Power = "Poke-Power + Poke-Body". If the card doesn't say both of those, it doesn't affect a Pokemon Power. However, because Pokemon Powers are made up of both of them, a card that affects Pokemon Powers affects both.
Pretend your asking me for two fruits, apples and oranges. If you tell me you want an apple, I don't give you both or just oranges. However, if you tell me you want fruit, I give you both.
So, Dialga G lvX Time Crystal cannot shut down a Pokemon Power (fruit), like Playful Punch, because it says it just wants Bodies (so, only oranges). Power Spray cannot shut down a Pokemon Power (fruit), like Playful Punch, because it says it wants Powers (so, only apples). However, Muk from the Fossil set shuts down Dialga G lvX because Muk wants Pokemon Powers (fruit), which is the name of the group that Powers (apples) and Bodies (oranges) are classified under.
The Zzzap attck, from Holon Phantoms Raichu, reads "Does 20 damage to each Pokemon that has any Poke-Powers or Poke-Bodies (both yours and your opponent's). Don't apply Weakness or Resistance."
This attack hits Pokemon that have Pokemon Powers because it has specified both of the subclasses that make up a Pokemon Power, therefore affecting the entire class.
Perhaps, like how our cards did not adopt the term "Goods," we will continue to get the Supporter text on our Supporters.
The use of Powers and Bodies made it really simple to determine which effects required activation and are optional and which effects were automatic and mandatory. Why put them back together?
Assuming merging them back together is the same as remaking Pokemon Powers, shouldn't it happen the same way it is currently handled when a Power/Body meets a Pokemon Power?
Pokemon Power = "Poke-Power + Poke-Body". If the card doesn't say both of those, it doesn't affect a Pokemon Power. However, because Pokemon Powers are made up of both of them, a card that affects Pokemon Powers affects both.
Pretend your asking me for two fruits, apples and oranges. If you tell me you want an apple, I don't give you both or just oranges. However, if you tell me you want fruit, I give you both.
So, Dialga G lvX Time Crystal cannot shut down a Pokemon Power (fruit), like Playful Punch, because it says it just wants Bodies (so, only oranges). Power Spray cannot shut down a Pokemon Power (fruit), like Playful Punch, because it says it wants Powers (so, only apples). However, Muk from the Fossil set shuts down Dialga G lvX because Muk wants Pokemon Powers (fruit), which is the name of the group that Powers (apples) and Bodies (oranges) are classified under.
The Zzzap attck, from Holon Phantoms Raichu, reads "Does 20 damage to each Pokemon that has any Poke-Powers or Poke-Bodies (both yours and your opponent's). Don't apply Weakness or Resistance."
This attack hits Pokemon that have Pokemon Powers because it has specified both of the subclasses that make up a Pokemon Power, therefore affecting the entire class.