LostGar: Does it stand up to the hype?

[BrightRush]

Well muk man obviously does not know what hes talking about. First off, SP runs cards called SP-Radar, Premier Ball, Bebe Search, and Poketurn. Luxchomp has no problem hiding their pokemon. I've tested this matchup alot and its Luxchomp's favor unless LostGar gets luck and top decks seekers/twins consistently each turn w/ a Trainer Engine then its pretty 50:50. Gengar X sends the LV X's to the Deck not the hand and running Gengar LV X just overall hurts your consistentcy for the ideal "T1 Hurl". Power Sprays also slow down LostGar and stop Lost Cyclone just enough. It is very possible for Luxchomp to take prizes each turn w/ Poketurns/Sp Radar etc. Don't give people bad advice when you havent even tested that matchup yourself.

 

[pokemaster1970]

Sorry but that's a terrible lostgar list -.-

Reminds me of people who made bad vilegar lists and lost and deemed vilegar is bad...then what do you know it's top3. Give lost world decks some time. I dunno if they will be bdif but top ones will def. be top tier imo.

If you're going to call someone's list terrible, and then share no feedback as to why you think it's terrible and what you think should be changed, then you should probably refrain from any comments at all. It was clearly stated that this is a SKELETON LIST, with ten slots still available to use.

I personally ran this list in a weekly league tournament we have, and went 3-0, 2-0 vs. LuxChomp. It's fast, and can totally disrupt the opposing players hands and strategy. I'm not claiming BDIF, but Lostgar will make its presence known, and will be a tier one deck after rotation when SP is slowed, or obliterated completely (which I hope for an AR on format).

Great article. Simple, yet informative and to the point. Well done.......

 

[Elite_4_Allen]

Thanks!

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[jjkkl]

Good list broskis. I still think Vileplume should be a viable tech, though, cause its pretty handy in slowing everybody down. Possibly Sabs with Max Initiatives for lulz.

Sorry but that's a terrible lostgar list -.-

Reminds me of people who made bad vilegar lists and lost and deemed vilegar is bad...then what do you know it's top3. Give lost world decks some time. I dunno if they will be bdif but top ones will def. be top tier imo.

In my opinion, LostGar doesn't live up to it's hype. I admit, this is a really good deck, but it's seriously really hard to pull off if you want it to become consistent. That's your only problem. Also getting around Power-Lock.

I don't want to hear ranting from someone who got intercepted. Twice.

 

[raw19]

Good list broskis. I still think Vileplume should be a viable tech, though, cause its pretty handy in slowing everybody down. Possibly Sabs with Max Initiatives for lulz.

I don't want to hear ranting from someone who got intercepted. Twice.

Sounds like the perfect reason to rant. xDDD

 

[Elite_4_Allen]

Good list broskis. I still think Vileplume should be a viable tech, though, cause its pretty handy in slowing everybody down. Possibly Sabs with Max Initiatives for lulz.

I don't want to hear ranting from someone who got intercepted. Twice.

Thanks, but lol i have no idea how you got that animation into your post.

 

[StormFront]

A surprisingly well written article. Clearly the author hasn't done as much testing of LostGar compared to other members, as many have been secretively testing for months.

Some things I'd like to point out are... Spiritomb TM is a no brainer, it shouldn't be considered an optional tech. Running 2 Lost World is very risky, espeacially with Weavile UD and Initative and the risk of having 1-2 of them being prized. Running 4 Twins isn't neccessary, I'd say running 2-3 is more suitable. If you decide to run Palkia G then you should definitly be running Cyrus's Conspiracy. You don't need to run 3 Uxie's, 2 is enough. Palmer's Contribution should also be considered as an optional tech.

 

[Chroberry]

As OP stated, this is a skeleton list. It does its job as far as stating what is necessary to make this deck run. Fifty cards does not constitute a deck, so everyone should treat this more as an idea, rather than a set list before they jump directly to the criticism stage. Techs should be decided by a meta-game/playstyle basis. As far as my opinion goes, Spiritomb AR should be part of the skeleton, because it's a great starter, and important when playing against any SP build, Smeargle UD may work better than Mr. Mime CoL for looking at hands, especially if you're stuck in a rut, and if you're going to include 3 different Gengars, a few Pokemon Communication may be a good idea. Also, where's the Unown Q? Warp Energies are probably a necessary card too, considering the fact that retreat cost is on some of those cards. Nice article by the way, the effort shows :thumb:

 

[BlisseyRocks]

LostGar Is VERY Good! Twins Makes It SUPER consistent luxchomp loses its main advantage to lostgar. Luxchomp cannot hold the level X's in hand till the right time, that means they lose garchomps healing ability they lose the chance to bright look at just the right moment. They cant hold the extra sps in hand, and when you throw Palkia in the mix... you're talking about a deck with around 20 basics playing with a bench space of three.
2-2luxray
2-2garchomp
1 bronzong
1 lucario
2 uxie
1 uxie X
1 azelf
1 Promo Croak
1-2 crobats
1 ambipalm/dragonite

what happens to all those pokemon?
in game play there is always a bronzong, azelf, uxie, garchomp on the bench active luxray. There are 2-3 bebes in each deck, and those are used on the extra Luxray x and garchomp x so all the crobats lucario and ambipalm go strait to lost zone.
Plus with Gangar x you cant hide your lux and chomp level x on the field, cause i will use my power and send it to your hand, then lost zone it EVERYTIME... and have you seen what happens to lux chomp afte you lost world 1 luxray x or luxray... the deck slows all the way down and loses so much consistency...
in my play testing the first 3-4 turns gengar is extra deadly, because they abuse uxie+seeker, and because you can only evolve ya lv X as an active thats when they catch you with all those cards before you can play them out of your hand... and what happens most of the time, is you lose pokemon like uxie luxray and garchomp because those are the first pokemon you play to the bench, so they are your only choices for seeker, and if you lose a basic garchomp luxray its a very hard matchup to win

Its actually heavily in luxchomps favor. First off, luxchomp should focus on hitting gengars. That leaves them with the option of either retreat healing gengar and losing advantage through mesprit/uxie/energy. Or their gengars will get two shotted. Which is completely fine. Second, as someone stated, Gengar sends to the deck. So thats also a no-go. Any Luxchomp player plays 4 call and at least 3 collector. Calling for extra stuff like azelf/uxie is fine for them. Or any of their techs like dragonite/croak/pom. You WILL NOT be seekering anything good the first couple of turns, unless you went second, got t1 gar, and caught them with a lv.x in hand. Which is never a 100% gaurantee. Remember, luxchomp can do stuff like call energy and not care simply because you will NOT beat them on time. Once they take a 2 prize lead, they can do any shenanigans to get out of your lock. Palkia is sprayable, and a nice prize for luxray.

 

[pokemaster1970]

Did you actually read the post from MukMan, or are you just blind to the fact that SP can only have 5 on the bench like everybody else? You don't account for the other 15+ pokemon you still have remaining in your deck, and Seeker means at least one Pokemon Zoned per turn, while you're busy trying to two-shot the Gengar. Time for you SP babies to wake up, and recognize there is a deck that is as fast and broken as your little SP engine.....

 

[baby mario]

Did you actually read the post from MukMan, or are you just blind to the fact that SP can only have 5 on the bench like everybody else? You don't account for the other 15+ pokemon you still have remaining in your deck, and Seeker means at least one Pokemon Zoned per turn, while you're busy trying to two-shot the Gengar. Time for you SP babies to wake up, and recognize there is a deck that is as fast and broken as your little SP engine.....

1. Why would an SP deck have to 2-shot a Gengar when they can run Weavile + Belt, Absol G, or Krow SV???

2. Why wouldn't an SP player recycle Pokemon they are holding with Radar/Bebe or discard them with Junk Arm? Just because they run 15 Pokemon, doesn't mean they have to be holding them in the hand does it?

3. SP babies? lol . . . someone's hatred is showing (and clouding their theorymon).

 

[BlisseyRocks]

Did you actually read the post from MukMan, or are you just blind to the fact that SP can only have 5 on the bench like everybody else? You don't account for the other 15+ pokemon you still have remaining in your deck, and Seeker means at least one Pokemon Zoned per turn, while you're busy trying to two-shot the Gengar. Time for you SP babies to wake up, and recognize there is a deck that is as fast and broken as your little SP engine.....

Yeah i did read it, lol. How many sp decks run more than 17 pokemon?

Luxchomp:

4 garchomp split
3-4 luxray split
2-1 uxie
1 azelf
1 q
1 Lucario(most of the time)
2-3 techs of choice(ambi,croak,dnite,rose,dialga,erl)

REALLY not that many considering 6 pokemon are in play, plus the level up factor.

Yeah, i want to see you play 4 seekers in a row and consistently be set up. :thumb:

And thats considering they dont run weavile. If they do, good luck with that.
For some reason when i read that last part, i imagined a really geeky voice and a dude pushing his glasses towards his face at the end. Not saying anything, just thought it was funny.

 

[Blue Blur]

LostGar gets ruined by power spray, and Gengar is taken down by dark pokes. It's true.

 

[pokemaster1970]

Yeah i did read it, lol. How many sp decks run more than 17 pokemon?

Luxchomp:

4 garchomp split
3-4 luxray split
2-1 uxie
1 azelf
1 q
1 Lucario(most of the time)
2-3 techs of choice(ambi,croak,dnite,rose,dialga,erl)

REALLY not that many considering 6 pokemon are in play, plus the level up factor.

Yeah, i want to see you play 4 seekers in a row and consistently be set up. :thumb:

And thats considering they dont run weavile. If they do, good luck with that.
For some reason when i read that last part, i imagined a really geeky voice and a dude pushing his glasses towards his face at the end. Not saying anything, just thought it was funny.

So are you saying Muk Man's list is inaccurate??
2-2luxray
2-2garchomp
1 bronzong
1 lucario
2 uxie
1 uxie X
1 azelf
1 Promo Croak
1-2 crobats
1 ambipalm/dragonite

Looks like a pretty standard LuxChomp list to me. That's a skeleton list of 18 pokemon, and that doesn't even count the dark techs people will start adding to the decks for G-Prime.

VS Seeker allows you to abuse Seeker and Twins. And you still haven't solved how I get one of your Pokemon in the LZ per turn while you're still trying to 2HKO my G-Prime with a Rescue Energy already attached and a BTS laid out T2. All I need is one extra G-Prime to keep the vicious cycle going.

I'm not saying SP's can't beat LostGar by a long shot. I'm just tired of all these SP players saying how over hyped it is, and how it can't beat SP for this reason or that reason.

And when we do meet, You will be quite surprised by my appearance...........

---------- Post added 02/17/2011 at 08:55 PM ----------

LostGar gets ruined by power spray, and Gengar is taken down by dark pokes. It's true.

I think we all know Gengar gets taken down by dark Pokes......

I hope to see more Donphan/Machamp in the game since there will be such an increase of dark pokemon entering the meta.

 

[vanderbilt_grad]

Tyranitar's popular? I've played against it once in tournament play. Ever.

But that's largely because our meta never favored it Erik. Also the only reason you haven't played against T-Tar a 2nd time is because you didn't play against me when I ran the deck at that one BR. :lol:

 

[BlisseyRocks]

So are you saying Muk Man's list is inaccurate??
2-2luxray
2-2garchomp
1 bronzong
1 lucario
2 uxie
1 uxie X
1 azelf
1 Promo Croak
1-2 crobats
1 ambipalm/dragonite

Looks like a pretty standard LuxChomp list to me. That's a skeleton list of 18 pokemon, and that doesn't even count the dark techs people will start adding to the decks for G-Prime.

VS Seeker allows you to abuse Seeker and Twins. And you still haven't solved how I get one of your Pokemon in the LZ per turn while you're still trying to 2HKO my G-Prime with a Rescue Energy already attached and a BTS laid out T2. All I need is one extra G-Prime to keep the vicious cycle going.

I'm not saying SP's can't beat LostGar by a long shot. I'm just tired of all these SP players saying how over hyped it is, and how it can't beat SP for this reason or that reason.

And when we do meet, You will be quite surprised by my appearance...........

---------- Post added 02/17/2011 at 08:55 PM ----------



I think we all know Gengar gets taken down by dark Pokes......

I hope to see more Donphan/Machamp in the game since there will be such an increase of dark pokemon entering the meta.

he said the 6 in play with 15+ pokemon. Thats A LOT more than 18 xD. Also you mention twins. Twins takes away from your whole"6 in 6" theory. Also the fact that you assume you get all of this out under power spray.

 

[pokemaster1970]

Since when did power spray stop supporters??? Are you confusing this with Yugioh or something?
Now you do realize you can lost zone more than one pokemon per turn, don't you?
If I play seeker, and you have another pokemon in your hand, that would equal two pokemon for G-Prime to LZ. So even if I don't Spiritomb TR, Seeker, and Hurl by T2, I'm willing to bet I get at least 2 in the LZ.

For some reason when I read that last post I picture a twelve year old putting aside his comic book to post nonsense just to stir the pot........

 

[Sabett]

Since when did power spray stop supporters??? Are you confusing this with Yugioh or something?
Now you do realize you can lost zone more than one pokemon per turn, don't you?
If I play seeker, and you have another pokemon in your hand, that would equal two pokemon for G-Prime to LZ. So even if I don't Spiritomb TR, Seeker, and Hurl by T2, I'm willing to bet I get at least 2 in the LZ.

For some reason when I read that last post I picture a twelve year old putting aside his comic book to post nonsense just to stir the pot........

If you feel so confident in your own opinion about this subject, then why do you find it necessary to insult people? I mean that's neither here nor there, but let's bring up this point: How does Gengar Prime deal with Absol G? I mean I know it's not a particularly popular tech right now, but if Gengar ever really became that much of an issue, I'm sure SP players would find a way to fit it in.

 

[Amt]

Plus with Gangar x you cant hide your lux and chomp level x on the field, cause i will use my power and send it to your hand, then lost zone it EVERYTIME...

Level Down sends the LV.X into the deck.

 

[BlisseyRocks]

Since when did power spray stop supporters??? Are you confusing this with Yugioh or something?
Now you do realize you can lost zone more than one pokemon per turn, don't you?
If I play seeker, and you have another pokemon in your hand, that would equal two pokemon for G-Prime to LZ. So even if I don't Spiritomb TR, Seeker, and Hurl by T2, I'm willing to bet I get at least 2 in the LZ.

For some reason when I read that last post I picture a twelve year old putting aside his comic book to post nonsense just to stir the pot........

Power Spray doesnt stop supporters, it just stops your uxies and spiritomb TR. No big deal i guess? Yeah i realize you CAN, but i also realize that vs any half decent player, you WONT. Bebe's, leveling up and retreating, sp radar...and even benching pokemon....so many ways to get pokemon out of my hand. And if you dont get hurl t2, how are you LZ'ing my pokemon?? Palkia?? Cuz you'll tottally have a palkia out t2 against my deck with a thick attacking luxray line...
Yeah i'm totally a twelve year old. Yeah thats it!