Maryland: March 1, 2008

[twdorris]

Juniors- 23 Players
T8:
1st- Steven Y (Gardellade + Furret)
2nd- Dean N (Gardellade + Furret)
3rd- Evan W (Magmortar/Typhlosion)
Ward G (Slakoth/Lugia/Shelgon)
Tommy B (Gardevoir + Furret)
Ryan D (Fire TRUK)
Dylan A (Gardellade + Furret)
Erik L (Gardellade + Smeargle)

Ryan D finished 4th. He was running Blissey/Magmortar if you want to be more specific above (I'm assuming there are other Fire TRUK combos). He had a blast picking on the Gallades with his Blissey. LOL. I was shocked to see so many Gardellade decks in Juniors, though. We're not much up on the meta I guess. Oh well.

Another GREAT tournament by the Aardvark crew. I love going to your events. They're always so friendly and relaxed. Thanks again, guys! We had a blast, despite my POOR last minute deck building skills that produced a truly dead end deck for me.

If any of you are interested in writing a tournament report (with decklist!), I am always looking for content to put up on our SoMD Pokemon site.

Interested in a third-person write up? I could put something together with my son (junior) if you want. I personally watched his matches in T8, so I can write up exactly what happened there. There was actually some interesting twists. He could provide details for the swiss rounds.

Thomas Dorris

 

[ninetales1234]

He had a blast picking on the Gallades with his Blissey

I think I would too. Watch out for the Gardellades that run Gatr though:lol:

Another GREAT tournament by the Aardvark crew. I love going to your events. They're always so friendly and relaxed. Thanks again, guys! We had a blast, despite my POOR last minute deck building skills that produced a truly dead end deck for me.

thanx, nice having you there.

Well, isn't the moral of the story here that you don't count your chickens before they hatch?

Blaziken

 

[twdorris]

Watch out for the Gardellades that run Gatr though

Yeah, I saw that in your results post. It seems like such a strange combo to me, but I guess it must work to win seniors!

Thomas Dorris

 

[ninetales1234]

G&G and Mamortar varients will make top cut, because they bothe are good decks, and by numbers.

You were right

a few anti Gallade/Magmortar decks, at least

Saw one in the Masters.

I still don't think we figured out what HB stands for.

 

[Fox McCloud]

I still don't think we figured out what HB stands for.

I PM'ed someone about it(I forgot who), and they told me it was the name of a team Michael P. was on. It's not a secret what it stands for, but the name can be kind of suggestive, so that's why he typed HB...

 

[DarthPika]

Yeah, I saw that in your results post. It seems like such a strange combo to me, but I guess it must work to win seniors!

Thomas Dorris

Gardy LOCK FTW!!!

 

[Jason]

HB stands for HeadBanana if I remember correctly - if you want more info, its a team who started the TRUK naming craze since Battle Roads....

 

[ninetales1234]

Those of you who saw the Gallade incident on the T4 Masters, I have found a ruling on it, that I did not see, because it was not in the compendium. The ruling is consistent with other cards that allow a player to choose a number of "things".

Just as with Delcatty's "Energy Draw", you have to, before your attack, say how many prizes you are going to flip over- otherwise, you must flip over the maximum. "I'm going to flip over enough to knock it out", while fine for a casual match, is not acceptable to say at a tournament.

 

[ShadowCard]

I thought that was in the Compendium. I cautioned my players about it at our league tournaments.

 

[twdorris]

you have to, before your attack, say how many prizes you are going to flip over- otherwise, you must flip over the maximum. "I'm going to flip over enough to knock it out", while fine for a casual match, is not acceptable to say at a tournament.

I don't know what happened in masters, but in the first round of juniors finals the player my son was going against simply announced Psychic Cut then started flipping prizes over one by one adding up the totals outloud until he had enough to knock out my son's active at the time. I knew that wasn't allowed, but nobody seemed to care, including the judge watching the match. It didn't seem to matter in this particular match anyway, but I can see where that type of thing could be important in others.

Thomas Dorris

 

[DarthPika]

Those of you who saw the Gallade incident on the T4 Masters, I have found a ruling on it, that I did not see, because it was not in the compendium. The ruling is consistent with other cards that allow a player to choose a number of "things".

Just as with Delcatty's "Energy Draw", you have to, before your attack, say how many prizes you are going to flip over- otherwise, you must flip over the maximum. "I'm going to flip over enough to knock it out", while fine for a casual match, is not acceptable to say at a tournament.

Oh.... then I was playing it wrong the whole tourny.....

I just flipped them over 1 at a time counting out the damage as I went.

No one told me that you had to say it first. Even in t8 and t4 with Mike watching t8 and NICK watching me in t4 neither Mike or NICK said anything.

 

[Pikamaster]

I did the same thing. No judge ever said anything about doing that. Not Simmons, Kevin or NICK.

 

[totoro]

Well, final rulings are always at the HJs discretion. If you disagree and are overuled, you can always email POP, but realize that a tournament's outcome won't be changed. I can say that this issue will be addressed in my opening remarks in VA. Just do the math in your head first, k, since the prizes themselves aren't allowed to influence you as they are revealed.

 

[ninetales1234]

No one told me that you had to say it first. Even in t8 and t4 with Mike watching t8 and NICK watching me in t4 neither Mike or NICK said anything.

The specific thing I'm talking about is not addressed in the compendium.
However, PokePop has stated on the POP forum that you should say the number of prizes before (or just do the maximum), and I agree.
I'm just letting everyone know the way I'm going to rule it in future tournaments- you have to say the number prizes you're going to flip over before you flip over any prizes- if you don't- flip over the maximum (just like Steven's Advice). No penalites.

 

[twdorris]

The specific thing I'm talking about is not addressed in the compendium.

Are talking about announcing how many prizes you're going to flip before flipping any of them? The Compendium LVX does have this section:

Psychic Cut (Gallade - Secret Wonders)

Q. When I attack with Gallade's "Psychic Cut", do I have to announce how many prizes I'm flipping over ahead of time?
A. Yes, you must announce how many prize cards you're going to flip before revealing any prize cards or doing any damage. (Jan 10, 2008 PUI Rules Team)

I'm honestly not sure if that's the specific thing you're talking about or not, though.

EDIT: Reading the previous posts again, I don't think this is the exact same thing you were originally talking about. I think you were talking about the difference between announcing a specific number (like 3) vs. announcing a non-specific number (like enough to knock you out). Some others, however, did mention some confusion originally on whether you had to announce a number at all before hand. I think that section of the Compendium at least answers that question.

Thomas Dorris

 

[ninetales1234]

I'm honestly not sure if that's the specific thing you're talking about or not, though.

My call was to give a Warning at MD States and let the player flip over the amount he intended to flip over. The more appropriate call, by what I heard from PokePop yesterday, is to not give a Warning and make them flip over the maximum number of prizes (this was not in the compendium, therfore it was not what I did at MD States).

 

[ShadowCard]

No one told me that you had to say it first. Even in t8 and t4 with Mike watching t8 and NICK watching me in t4 neither Mike or NICK said anything.

People, just because the judge is looking at your game does not mean that he/she is watching it or the actions that you are doing. Judges do not have instant playback in their minds. How many times have you looked at what your teacher was writing on the chalkboard but you weren't actually watching?

My call was to give a Warning at MD States and let the player flip over the amount he intended to flip over. The more appropriate call, by what I heard from PokePop yesterday, is to not give a Warning and make them flip over the maximum number of prizes (this was not in the compendium, therfore it was not what I did at MD States).

That sounds open to interpretation. Since no amount was declared, I would have ruled that NO prizes would be flipped. How do you get "flip over the maximum" from nothing?

 

[pokemonforever]

My call was to give a Warning at MD States and let the player flip over the amount he intended to flip over. The more appropriate call, by what I heard from PokePop yesterday, is to not give a Warning and make them flip over the maximum number of prizes (this was not in the compendium, therfore it was not what I did at MD States).

I believe a Warning or more severe penalty is proper to report, especially because it was top cut at the time of the incident. Flipping over the maximum number of prizes...that I'm a bit sketchy on. I suppose that Gallade ruling remains consistent with Delcatty. However, most "choices" are usually between picking Pokemon and drawing cards, I would agree on ShadowCard on this one; it does sound open to interpretation.

According to the Compendium, "flipping is part of the damage calculation." How do you figure out the damage? You "start with the base damage" and then "figure out damage effects". So you must announce before flipping. Why can't a player perform damage calculation while prizes are flipping over? A player is, still, just figuring out the damage. I highly agree with totoro's suggestion: Just do the math in your head first.

Is announcing "how many" specific to a definite number? Or can it be as vague as "enough"?

 

[drmario]

People, just because the judge is looking at your game does not mean that he/she is watching it or the actions that you are doing. Judges do not have instant playback in their minds. How many times have you looked at what your teacher was writing on the chalkboard but you weren't actually watching?


That sounds open to interpretation. Since no amount was declared, I would have ruled that NO prizes would be flipped. How do you get "flip over the maximum" from nothing?

This wasn't looking over a players shoulder as the judge walked by. This was a T4 match with the judge sitting right there judging. Obviously I don't have anything to complain about though. :tongue:

 

[ShadowCard]

Warning seems a bit servere if nothing comes of it, unless the player forgot to apply resistance and wants to flip over one more prize and turning it into rewinding the action in order to change the damage.

This wasn't looking over a players shoulder as the judge walked by. This was a T4 match with the judge sitting right there judging. Obviously I don't have anything to complain about though. :tongue:

Are you sure he was watching YOU and not your opponent at the time? Player 2 is sometimes more active than you'd think during player 1's turn.