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By saying you don't jump during a wavedash?
Actually another game thats in the mlg curcuit does this as well. HALO2 .... in halo you have the ability to cancel reloading with your battle rifle by having a secondary weapon and quickly pressing YY. Also you have the ability to cancel your melee attack by hitting X immediatly after you press the melee button. IMO it makes the game really realistic if you u can think and play that fast it really makes it feel ... well real lol. HALO2 players consider these things glitches ... because while testing they didn't see it ... but wavedashing was found in the testing so it was left in there ... because certain characters in melee have different type of traction. so they had to give everyone some type of a wave dash because if not this thread would have been about how come mario or shiek don't have wavedash.
Sandslash7
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Excactly! Thats why we can have them!
Yet, why where you trying to take away the right to an opinion?
Right again! Just because I am of the opinion that typwriters have more power than laptops doesn't mean I am right.
Are you insulting me now? Or was that wrapped up in the Flat Earth-thinkers statement?
If you are: I never said I had the opinion that WD wasn't a bug.
But: I never said it was a bug either.
This I agree with you here, there can only be 2 opinions in this matter. (other than not caring)
mewoxys666
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Lol. Wow, you still won't stop craming your wannabe superiority down our throats huh Marril? We have every right to use the WD, and be it bug or not, you have no right to continously tell us to not use it simply because it's a "bug". Your voice is little a mouses squeak to the Smash community on this matter. do you think PC Chris, Ken, Isai, and other MLG players could really give a flying **** about what your opinion is on this? It increases the range of mindgames, and adds a little more benefit than just dodge rolling the whole game. No one anywhere in the high ranking players of the Smash community could care less about it being a bug or not. What you say will not impact them in anyway. You would simply be flamed down by all of them. You cannot even convince US, the UPCOMING COMPETITIVE players, that WD'ing is wrong. Why would you even bother to continue bringing it up? You cannot convince Hax, myself, or anyone else NOT to use the WD. So drop it.
lol marril, your telling me to drop this argument, even though I am not in it. Funny Stuff...
Really, imo, Marril I think you are over exagurating the potential of WD so you can make it look like you are the God of winning arguments. How bout you spend less time ranting about something in a game and freaking play it?
btw, you also are holding a wrong oppinion that you are entitled too. I am kinda tired of this crap on this thread. I have more fun on my system wars thread, at least people there dont use "lol @ wrong oppion glitch" as an excuse. Seriously Marril, half your posts arent even about Melee anymore, they pretty much just "lol @ Zero Hax" or "but it IS a glitch". Maybe it is a glitch, maybe it isnt. Personally i dont think it is, but either way this doesnt deserve 30+ pages of going nowhere. Can we PLZ go back to actually giving people advice? I come back here everyday hoping the same thing, only to find this thread going 2 steps backward and one page forward.
Really, imo, Marril I think you are over exagurating the potential of WD so you can make it look like you are the God of winning arguments. How bout you spend less time ranting about something in a game and freaking play it?
btw, you also are holding a wrong oppinion that you are entitled too. I am kinda tired of this crap on this thread. I have more fun on my system wars thread, at least people there dont use "lol @ wrong oppion glitch" as an excuse. Seriously Marril, half your posts arent even about Melee anymore, they pretty much just "lol @ Zero Hax" or "but it IS a glitch". Maybe it is a glitch, maybe it isnt. Personally i dont think it is, but either way this doesnt deserve 30+ pages of going nowhere. Can we PLZ go back to actually giving people advice? I come back here everyday hoping the same thing, only to find this thread going 2 steps backward and one page forward.
You've missed the parts where I said that I don't care about people using it as long as they acknowledge the reality of it. "I use it, and I don't care if it makes me a dirty bug abuser" or some statement to that effect would go over much better in this thread than, "I CAN HOLD AN OPINION ALL I LIKE!" babble. Like I said, you can be a member of the damn Flat Earth Society, but you're still an idiot and you're still wrong for being one. The same principle applies to wavedashing—denial doesn't change it.
Do you think they care about yours?
MissingNo. increases the range of the Pokémon games, as does the Mew Glitch and various other exploitable ones. ****, the Yoyo Glitch adds more to the game, Soul Stunner adds more to the game, basically every bug ever adds more to the game. But they're all still bugs.
... Even those stages you aren't allowed to pick add to the game, but people will fight to get them banned.
What you say will not impact them in any way.
This tells you about the maturity of the average Smash player.
Quote the post in which I said that convincing you gits to not use the wavedash was my primary intention.
I'll wait for you.
I do play it. I'm not half bad, either. I wouldn't win any major tournaments but that doesn't mean I know nothing about the game either.
Which opinion is this? "Wavedashing is a bug"? If it's "too" a wrong opinion, then that means both it being a bug and it not being a bug are simultaneously wrong. That breaks logic.
"It" = "wavedashing", wavedashing is in Melee, ergo my posts are about Melee.
You're not pessimistic enough.
LionheartEX
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if it were bug, if it was used enough times, wouldnt it crash the game? I mean, in every game ive played with a bug exploit, once ive used a bug enough times, the game crashes, or freezes or glitches or whatever. That and, what proof do you have that WD is a big? do you have the code to prove this?
Wavedash: Innocent until proven guilty imo
Wavedash: Innocent until proven guilty imo
Phazon Elite
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There are older glitches like this in Halo, actually (for example, there was an OLD glitch that would allow people to grab flags through walls and floors until Bungie forced a DL of a patch). Some people view superjumps as glitches, too. In fact, sj's are comparable to SSBM's wd in that respect.
Sandslash7
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Oh, so now everyone who wavedashes is an idiot?
Why don't you just come right out and say it?
Or would you not stoop to such a low level as open insulting, even though that's what you are doing anyway.
I'll acknowlege the reality of the issue in an attempt to move the thread past this irreconcilable difference.
I've hardly ever used WDing, as I never got the hang of it with Falco, and I found I had to really think about doing it, rather than just using muscle memory. I therefore don't care it in some people's opinions that it made me a bug abuser for the 10 or so times at actully pulled it off, even though there is no concrete proof that it is a bug or not, as there is no "Official Release" from HAL Laboratories or Nintendo on said issue.
So, is that a post that "goes over better", Marril? Or do you think I am just spewing innane babble that you can't understand?
~LionheartEX: In the game's I've played, that does seem to be the case, but I don't run bugs into the ground to see if they'll crash the game. I'm protective about my games and systems.
LionheartEX
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lol I only do it on Disc games...never cartridge games
Marril said:
Aerials, airdodges etc. are cancelled out by landing on the ground - wavedashing is no different than shffl'ing an aerial.
Also, how would you know if the game contained l-cancelling as an intended feature? I'll assume you hacked it, and judging by your innacurate explanation of wavedashing you sound like a good person to trust.
Marril said:
^Read above.
Not sure where I brought up youth as an excuse or something, other than me not understanding the term 'strawman,' though I do understand it now.
Marril said:
This must be support for your statement concluding that PokeGym members are intelligent, rather than dip**** SWFers.
Marril said:
To be honest, I'd say it's unknown; except many more hackers have confirmed it as not being a bug. Also, as GaaRa said; wavedashing WAS known of by the creators and they decided to leave it in.
Marril said:
Then, post a thread on smashboards. Just because you're dealing with supposed idiots doesn't mean they can't get the point across; they do know what they're talking about.
Marril said:
Doubtful, but if you actually tried then melee discussions wouldn't have to deal with you anymore.
I'm positive you know you've brought up an invalid argument, and use the excuse; 'SWFers are idiots' to avoid facing the truth. You have a bad rep on the boards for a reason; it's not as if the whole world has an anti-Marril mentality.
Marril said:
Here's my explanation as to why your argument contains numerous loopholes and isn't really fair at all; rather biased in your favor.
You're forcing me to accept the fact that you're a hacker/coder who knows their ****, yet you fail to acknowledge me as a competitive player who knows what they're ****ing talking about and the tourney standings prove that.
Here's what you have going for you:
-You've coded games
~~Good job, that gives no authority over SSBM
-You gave an innacurate explanation of wavedashing
~~Accept it; this is why I doubt your coding ability. I don't care if you've made hundreds, nor thousands of games; you don't understand the basics of SSBM, and I therefore don't have to take your word.
Here's what I have going for me:
-4th Round at MLG (you wouldn't pass the 1st), as well as high placings at numerous other tournies
~~Despite this being solid proof as to why I should have more of a say than you, you continue to accuse me of boasting and assuming that I only take the word of better players. First off, it's not boasting, Marril; it's fact which gives me more authority than you in this argument. Second, I've taken tips from people I've beaten and that's how I've come far in tournaments. I watch videos of people I know I could beat, and I learn from them. Placing high in tournaments says a lot about your character/playing style, however being a non-competitor you fail to accept that.
Not necessarily. For instance, the Box Trick in the original Pokémon RBY was technically a bug, yet it didn't crash the game no matter how many times you use it.
No, but members of the Flat Earth Society are idiots.
If I were to say all wavedashers are idiots, I might've even implied it. Do I think someone's an idiot for wavedashing? No. Do I view them as a bug abuser? Yes. There's a difference.
You keep telling yourself that.
The fact that it was in SSB helps its credibility.
You've brought it up multiple times before for a variety of reasons, so I figured I'd nip that one in the bud.
The PokéGym is like most other groups of people. You've got a ratio of intelligent people and stupid people. The main difference between the 'Gym and SWF is this ratio, which is a large enough difference to make generalizations from.
1) It's not Schroedinger's Wavedash, as I've said. It's still either a bug or not a bug even if you don't know if it is or not.
2) Source or GTFO.
3) Bugs can be left in something despite being known (there's actually a practice of having a "Known Issues" type thing in the documentation of a program), but that doesn't change what they are.
I'll ask again: What makes you think I have any will or desire to do such after being repeatedly told I'd just be flamed to death?
Oftentimes the wrong reasons, I should add. If I'm to be generally reviled (and who doesn't appreciate good infamy?), it should at least be for the right reasons.
There's a difference between "I've actually coded games" and "I've incorporated these moves myself into my game enough to know what I'm talking about". The only equivalent statement to your simply taking pros at their words on certain moves would be my taking other, better coders on their word about certain aspects of coding (funny, because one time when I tried that it wound up being wrong).
It does however give me authority to analyze how a certain mechanic works and then produce my professional opinion, which isn't mine alone (if I were the only person in the world who said wavedashing is a bug, do you really think I'd be anywhere near as vehement?).
It's actually nowhere near as inaccurate as you think, you're just not approaching it from the right angle. As it is, I've decided it's easier to just drop that part rather than try to hammer it through your exceedingly thick skull. I figure if friendly, bold capital letters don't get a point across, nothing will, so I fail to see the point in trying to explain things anymore. I will explain something only if I feel like it—otherwise, the pattern holds that it's a colossal waste of effort.
*takes a shot*
Your playing ability actually gives you no ability whatsoever to contribute any worthwhile arguments against wavedashing being a bug, with the sole exceptions of "I think it isn't a bug!" or "some other people who I'm not willing to quote say it isn't!"
A hockey player likely isn't able to explain the physics behind a rebound shot (he might be, but it isn't linked at all to his play experience), but he can still perform it.
So if I play against you and intentionally lose, you'll take a hint?
Funny, because I've heard Smash pros say one of the biggest mistakes Smash players make is watching a video and saying, "I could take him." You don't know until you actually play against someone if you can beat them or not. Similarly, anyone "can" beat anyone if you're into the actual statistical probability (though it may be remote).
*****ing like a whiny brat on an Internet forum also says a lot about your character. The difference between you and I is that I'm arguing something I can talk knowledgeably about, whereas you're simply flailing around with more logical fallacies than I've seen in months.
vietgamer1021
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YOU F***ING JUMP DURING A WAVEDASH
prove that WD IS NOT A BUG THEN
prove that WD IS NOT A BUG THEN
This is what I've been asking all along...
vietgamer1021
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wow, so uve havent had anything to back up ur argument after all...
and we have ours,
i guess this arguemtn shouldve been over a while ago regardless
and we have ours,
i guess this arguemtn shouldve been over a while ago regardless
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