Mizugorou Deck (Swampert EX/Suicune Deck)

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  1. Kyogre

    Kyogre <a href="http://pokegym.net/gallery/browseimages.p

    Mizugorou is the name of Mudkip in Japan so yeah...

    Pokemon(22):
    4x Mudkip
    2x Marshtop
    3x Swampert (Water Call)
    2x Swampert EX
    3x Suicune EX
    2x Skitty
    2x Delcatty
    4x Dunsparce

    Trainers(20):
    4x POR
    4x Rare Candy
    4x Oracle
    4x Pokemon Reversal / TV Reporter
    2x Switch / Warp Point
    2x Crystal Shard

    Energy (18):
    18x Water

    Its sets up like a Blaziken deck but follows through with more solid damage. Its really rather strait forward, but I would like any suggestions. Thanks.

    Edit: -2 Fisherman, +2 Ditto (Rayquaza Tech)

    Edit #2: Shard > Ditto

    Edit #3: Pokemon Reversal has been reversed!
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2004
  2. Ez1

    Ez1 New Member

    just my opinion....-1 swampert ex, -3 petm, -1 switch, -2 energy
    +4 tv reporter, +1 warp point, +2 swampert

    the tv reporter speeds up kitty/oracle
    you need 3-4 swampert to set up 2-3 consistently
    the crystal shard is good...the ditto might be better in a rayquaza matchup
    early game......test and find out....
    1 switch 1 warp point can help in a number of situations.....

    the key is to set-up as fast as blaziken and to beat the rayquaza.....
    you have one less evolution....but.....must put energy on active pokemon....

    you could also use archie/walrein combo.....
     
  3. Kyogre

    Kyogre <a href="http://pokegym.net/gallery/browseimages.p

    PETM is my person style. I rather guarantee an early Delcatty or something I really need over the risk of just 3 cards. And Oracle/TV Reporter is too slow.

    I play tested and Shard is much better then Ditto. That came from the need for bench space.

    Swampert EX is a main attacker. Having a single of it in the deck would slow it down too much. And you really don't need to have more then 2 normal Swamperts at a time. That is unless you want to deal 90 instead of 80 a turn with Suicune. But to me thats not enough to get me to add another Swampert.

    Yeah Warp Point. Yeah...

    Oh and the Archie/Walrein combo would slow this down as well b/c drawing a basic with pretty much the same attack and stats (Ignore the EX rule) is better then drawing the stage 2 version and not being able to play it. Archie makes it too situational.
     
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2004
  4. Ez1

    Ez1 New Member

    the kitty/tv reporter/oracle combo is one of the fastest trainer engines out
    there........just look at any good blaziken deck.....with it you won't
    need petm.....

    if you want to have 2 swampert's running then you will do better
    with at least a 3/2 ratio or you will end up with 1 or 2 swamperts
    in your prizes and a long(short) game on your hands.....look
    at the better gardy decks as an example.....
     
  5. Bigpoppabeatdown

    Bigpoppabeatdown New Member

    yeah, take it from me, one who plays a very similar deck that 3-2 is the line that you need...

    PETM is a wasted supporter in my opinion, i'd go with tv reporter

    another thing, SCEPTILE will eat this deck alive..... tech in something like latias or something of that nature that can at least fight back vs grass....

    well have fun with the deck and good luck with it
     
  6. ColdCoates90

    ColdCoates90 Active Member

    I love this kind of deck, its perfect against Blaziken Ex.Beware of Desert Shaman! My fix:

    -1 PETM/Rare Candy
    +1 Seer
     
  7. Physics Squirrel

    Physics Squirrel Active Member

    I'd stay away from Seer. For a supporter, the 1 or 2 energy it gets reeeealy isn't worth it.
     
  8. ColdCoates90

    ColdCoates90 Active Member

    Well early in the game when you don't have an energy in the discard to get them back with Fisherman,you can use seer and pull them out of your deck.
     
  9. Kyogre

    Kyogre <a href="http://pokegym.net/gallery/browseimages.p

    Updated the deck. Now this deck CAN go toe for toe with a typical Blaze EX deck. Both decks feature basically Gust/OHKO. But this deck has the advantage of having Blaze EX weakness.

    Suggestions?
     
  10. Hero

    Hero New Member

    I like it I like it !! Only because I run the exact same deck cept..

    -1 marhstomp
    -4 pokemon reversal (no offense, i hate flipping)
    +2 warp point
    +3 professor birch (<33 the draw, expecially when you cant affrod to discard energy
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2004
  11. Pablo

    Pablo New Member

    with 8 draw cards in ur new version, u aint getting anywhere, try and fit 4 tv reporter, and u definately need a latis to gith sceptile

    -MuD
     
  12. Kyogre

    Kyogre <a href="http://pokegym.net/gallery/browseimages.p

    Hero: Thanks, I've been play testing this version vs. JohnYoung06's Blaze/Ray/EX deck and it goes toe for toe. I would gust up a central part to the set up and KO it. Thus slowly breaking it down.

    I know the draw is a bit low. But delcatty/Oracle is all I need. Both early game and late game.
     
  13. Physics Squirrel

    Physics Squirrel Active Member

    I play a similar deck, except that I don't have the Suicune ex's, so I play Latias ex. I generally can get out Swampert and Latias ex by the 3rd turn, doing 100 damage. And a Magneton shortly thereafter to recycle the energy. I need to add a Suicune ex, but I don't have any. And I only have 2 Swamperts :x
     
  14. TennisEmperor

    TennisEmperor New Member

    I think this deck is very good but needs atleast 2-3 swampart ex because it is the main attacker. Also your going to run out of energy for swamparts water fall if you use delcatty so i would suggest maybe dropping it (you would only be able to use water call 1-2 rimwa), if you keep delcatty in which probable is a good idea you need cards to get back energys in your graveyard like fisherman.
     
  15. Hero

    Hero New Member

    I love it Kyogre. Beautiful deck.

    Good bye Blazex, plz chk out my Gardex/Delcatty deck, Im trying to find a fun way to kill blazex too :D
     
  16. Psyduck

    Psyduck New Member

    OMG >_<

    You keep saying.........
    and......

    How are you gusting up their main attacker in the early stages and KOing them????????? I don't get it. Pokemon Reversal is used as the current text release on the newest card. If that makes sense? The reRelease in R&S says that "your opponent chooses who to switch the active with, not you.... You cant play the card as it's written in Expedition. So they will just send up a sacrificial lamb, NOT their their central part to the setup.

    Now, I COULD be a total idiot if I'm wrong and I accept that....I'm sorry. But aren't I right?????
     
  17. YoungJohn06

    YoungJohn06 New Member

    They changed reversal... I still think it's bad though lol.
     
  18. Freddy K.

    Freddy K. New Member

    Chad they've now errated Reversal to read as the Expedition one.

    ~fK
     
  19. Kyogre

    Kyogre <a href="http://pokegym.net/gallery/browseimages.p

    YoungJohn06: Yeah, its still flippy but every little bit helps. And its going to average out to 2 of them working and that should be enough to disrupt them enough to maybe win the game.
     
  20. Psyduck

    Psyduck New Member

    Now that I'm done feeling lik3 an idiot......

    You're right YJ, I still think it's bad 2...lol

    The deck does look good though, so g/l wit it!

    Duck
     
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