My Beef With Some People
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DarkMagnus
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charking the word i think you are looking for is/are "staples" cards that are in almost every deck that can run the ( candy's good draw etc.)
Moss Factor
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Eric is right, the deck is called "Delta."
Furthermore, anyone who gives you crap about netdecking should read this: http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm
Furthermore, anyone who gives you crap about netdecking should read this: http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm
September 2005: The Magic: the Gathering expansion "Ravnica: City of Guilds" is released. Dunjohn is amazed to discover that one of his all-time favourite cards, Opposition, has been remade as Glare of Subdual.
October 2005: Dunjohn now has a full Glare deck up and running. Dunjohn is labelled a scrub for using this dumb card.
November 2005: The Japanese take Worlds '05 by storm using a series of rogue decks built around a card named Glare of Subdual. Local players are impressed that Dunjohn had been playing the card since the beginning. Glare decks go on to saturate the internet and dominate tournaments.
February 2006: Dunjohn has by now gotten sick of being labelled a netdecker by non-local players and retires his Glare deck.
September 2006: The Magic: the Gathering expansion "Time Spiral" is released. Dunjohn is amazed to discover that one of his all-time favourite cards, Enduring Renewal, has been reprinted. And I'm CALLING IT NOW GODDAMMIT
October 2005: Dunjohn now has a full Glare deck up and running. Dunjohn is labelled a scrub for using this dumb card.
November 2005: The Japanese take Worlds '05 by storm using a series of rogue decks built around a card named Glare of Subdual. Local players are impressed that Dunjohn had been playing the card since the beginning. Glare decks go on to saturate the internet and dominate tournaments.
February 2006: Dunjohn has by now gotten sick of being labelled a netdecker by non-local players and retires his Glare deck.
September 2006: The Magic: the Gathering expansion "Time Spiral" is released. Dunjohn is amazed to discover that one of his all-time favourite cards, Enduring Renewal, has been reprinted. And I'm CALLING IT NOW GODDAMMIT
As for Magic, well, if Ankh Sligh ever starts dominating Type 1 for whatever reason, I've had it called for years. If it doesn't, well, I have fun playing it, that's all that matters. I try to win every game I play with it, of course, but as a strict Johnny, if I'm to win, it's to be with a deck of my own construction (I don't make weak decks, but neither are they top-tier tournament decks). I just don't find it fun to play someone else's deck an win with it.
As for Moss' article, I agree with Kranky Kong on quite a few things: "How about kicking the guy in the shins? That should increase your chances of winning.", etc. (As for that article's Janeway comparison: Janeway wasn't bound by rules but basic ethics). I did give that site a shot after that one article, and it seems Moss has just thrown the worst article in the bunch at us. I also find it silly that the Street Fighter Turbo example with the overpowered Akuma is regarded as a good thing to unofficially ban. It's the fighting game equivalent to a broken TCG deck. If you see the same deck in all of the Top 8, players don't step in and "ban" the deck. People will play that deck to win until the organizers themselves ban it. Just like people "should" be using nothing but Akuma.
Winning at all costs is not the same as playing to win. I'll put into Richard Bartle's player types: A Killer may be feared, but he knows better than to just attack an Explorer at random. But why? The Killer "plays to win" in a win-at-all-costs mentality, but the Explorer, who doesn't "play to win," simply knows more about the game because he doesn't just stick with whatever's the best. He'll do things other than win. He cares more about learning than winning. This is brought up in some of the other articles on the site Moss provided. What the site doesn't seem to mention in much detail that I could see, however, is that by simply taking the strategies of others, you learn little about the game. The truly great players are the ones who make the archetypes, not the ones who copy it and make Top 8 at Worlds or whatever. At the very least, they're the people who'll proverbially throw a load of crap at wall and hope some of it sticks.
Case in point, I was blowing up local Extended tournaments in Magic a few years ago with a B/W Cleric deck. That's right, B/W Clerics. Beating the crap out of Extended. Was I playing to win? Nah, I was just having fun. Was I winning? Yes.
As for Moss' article, I agree with Kranky Kong on quite a few things: "How about kicking the guy in the shins? That should increase your chances of winning.", etc. (As for that article's Janeway comparison: Janeway wasn't bound by rules but basic ethics). I did give that site a shot after that one article, and it seems Moss has just thrown the worst article in the bunch at us. I also find it silly that the Street Fighter Turbo example with the overpowered Akuma is regarded as a good thing to unofficially ban. It's the fighting game equivalent to a broken TCG deck. If you see the same deck in all of the Top 8, players don't step in and "ban" the deck. People will play that deck to win until the organizers themselves ban it. Just like people "should" be using nothing but Akuma.
Winning at all costs is not the same as playing to win. I'll put into Richard Bartle's player types: A Killer may be feared, but he knows better than to just attack an Explorer at random. But why? The Killer "plays to win" in a win-at-all-costs mentality, but the Explorer, who doesn't "play to win," simply knows more about the game because he doesn't just stick with whatever's the best. He'll do things other than win. He cares more about learning than winning. This is brought up in some of the other articles on the site Moss provided. What the site doesn't seem to mention in much detail that I could see, however, is that by simply taking the strategies of others, you learn little about the game. The truly great players are the ones who make the archetypes, not the ones who copy it and make Top 8 at Worlds or whatever. At the very least, they're the people who'll proverbially throw a load of crap at wall and hope some of it sticks.
Case in point, I was blowing up local Extended tournaments in Magic a few years ago with a B/W Cleric deck. That's right, B/W Clerics. Beating the crap out of Extended. Was I playing to win? Nah, I was just having fun. Was I winning? Yes.
Absoltrainer
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garsh0p said:
Everyone knows who moss is if you continously post good posts for like 1 year or so people will start reading you posts more often
Conversely, they read your posts more readily because of your infamy.
I don't pretend to be above reading posts either because I like or dislike the person writing them, as much as I claim to be above a lot of things... it's just a fact of life that who's saying something is far more important than what's actually being said. It's not the best paradigm, but it's how life works.
I don't pretend to be above reading posts either because I like or dislike the person writing them, as much as I claim to be above a lot of things... it's just a fact of life that who's saying something is far more important than what's actually being said. It's not the best paradigm, but it's how life works.
ryanvergel
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Yeah, just post intelligently, and soon enough you'll be respected.
I'm a perfect example.
I'm a perfect example.
Shiloh Phoenix
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I swear by that sirlin article since I read it about 2 years ago. although no one called me a netdecker for using tyranitar ex. lol. they made fun of me for using what everyone considers a "crappy" card
get made fun of and win, or get made fun of and lose, your choice.
get made fun of and win, or get made fun of and lose, your choice.
luigamaster
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LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:PSYCO829 said:
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Weird how someone would say you're netdecking when the deck is almost totally differernt
blastoise1992
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Sadly that might be a possiblilty... ='[Marril said: