oh you people make me laugh.its always me me me.what about if u think about a wider picture?Worlds should be an event with participants from all the world,not mainly USA and Japan.Yes,they do have most of the players but dont other players get to have the chance to actually attend worlds?Some of us that are from europe dont even get to go to worlds as we dont even get a travel award as a prize or even nationals this year.so why dont u stop your overthinking it and be happy for what you do get,that is all the free stuff they hand out,a chance to enjoy playing the game and meeting new people.isnt this what the game is supposed to be about?
My Theory On Why Worlds Keeps Getting Held In Super Expensive Tourist Traps
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this. worlds is supposed to have a 'wow!!!' factor; after all, it's WORLDS.
and this. where's the 'wow!! i've earned my way to worlds and it's AWESOME!' trip-of-a-lifetime feeling to come from if worlds was turned into a 'cheap and easy for anyone in the US to get to, US nats v.2.0 + a few international players' type of event?
and yes, i'm sure my comments here will be ignored by a number of people because worlds is going to be here in SD next year...=/
jmho
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waynegg
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Hope you didn't take that from what I said, because that's not at all the intent. It would be nice if it traveled like the World Cup.
Really? Earned it how? They were fortunate enough to be born into a family who is wealthy enough to bring them to it? It's not like there are many paid trips (not a complaint by any means) so of those who earn an invite only those with fat pockets get to attend. Surely you aren't saying going to a Pokemon tournament is a birth right? Because that's about how it sounds.
Rotating it from country to country and state to state would be better than having it held, generally, in the same 3 locales over and over. Those just happening to be some of the more expensive locales available.
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um, you misread my post: they earned it by playing well enough to win their trip/invite.
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waynegg
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No- I got that. What I was saying is that unless you are one of the lucky few who earn a paid trip (and rightfully so; a paid trip shouldn't be easy to earn) you are only able to go if you are pretty well off even when you do earn an invite. There's no reason for the tournament to have to be in greed central (tourist trap resort areas) for it to be a nice, fun tournament and in a good environment. I'm sure the logistics could easily be worked out so that it could travel around the world and when in the U.S., states other than just Hawaii, California (west coast in general), and Florida (east coast in general).
To truly represent a World championship, it almost needs to rotate. It could see different venues throughout Europe, Japan, North America, Australia, etc. Don't think South America would be a great choice with the current political atmosphere and civil unrest, sorry to say. Each year a different locale would have the home field advantage, and it would be more accessible to all instead of just those who can afford extravagant annual vacations.
wait, aren't there scholarships awarded at regionals and nationals?
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waynegg
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wait, aren't there scholarships awarded at regionals and nationals?
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Yeah- because that's all the poor should strive for, or for that matter be allowed to attend?? Jeez...
Worlds was plainly implied by what you quoted, as neither Nationals nor Regionals cost anywhere near that much to attend. I thought you were above twisting someone's words.
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In the past, places like San Diego have had lots of nearby options that are comparable to any other good sized city while Hawaii was certainly less expensive trip from Japan. At the end of the day any event is going to be spendy for someone, and historically that someone has been Europe more than anyone in the U.S.
Also it seems to me (and remember, I don't get to choose these spots) that I would rather attend worlds at a place where the whole family can take a vacation than at a place where there is nothing to do so that I then have to pay to go on some other trip to enjoy a family vacation. I could be wrong but that’s some food for thought.
She didn’t say anything about what the poor should strive for, you added that yourself in the same post where you accuse her of twisting words. It seemed to me that she was simply pointing out that Worlds is not the only place to win a scholarship. Sure it's not the same scholarships, but I'm not sure how that invalidates her point.
Bear in mind, the wider the audience for the event, the more impossible it becomes to please everyone involved and that is why our program has so many levels to it. The PLAY! Pokémon program is all about making sure that there are accessible events for everyone, but not every event can be Worlds. The truth is that there are Pokémon fans who will never be able to travel to further than their local league. Growing up I personally would not have been able to afford a TCG in the first place so I feel pretty qualified to say that you and I both know that we will never make it possible to get everyone in this situation to a World Championship. The other side of the coin is that this is exactly why we make our leagues as fun as we possibly can.
I think that we have done a pretty good job of making our events as accessible as they can be while still making the top events exclusive and cool enough to make winning an invite a desirable prize, and attending Worlds an unforgettable experience.
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waynegg
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Thanks. I guess what I was really trying to say more than anything, is can it be spread out? There are so many fun areas to visit that it doesn't always have to be East coast USA, WEST Coast USA, and Hawaii USA. There are attractions in literally every state/province/country that people would like to visit. I realize every Worlds isn't going to be able to be attended by every player. It wouldn't be feasible for many reasons.
However, if the tournament traveled to other places then everyone would eventually have the chance for it to be close enough that they could attend. As is, it caters to only the OP in 3 areas. If the view were to be broadened, not only would everyone have something to be excited about from time to time, but you would also grow the OP in areas which haven't even been tapped. Though it isn't my place to speculate for TPCI, I will speculate that growing the OP will fatten the company's bottom line.
Also, what I was replying to with this quote (when taken into the context of the conversation previous to it):
wait, aren't there scholarships awarded at regionals and nationals?
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Was that it seemed very much like she was saying Nats and Regionals should just be enough for those who can't afford more. It didn't set right at all. I know everyone would like the opportunity to attend Worlds just once, and that just isn't even close to possible unless you live in California, Florida, or Hawaii. Barring paid invites of course.
You could make very similar arguments regarding U.S. Nationals being in the midwest every year. While some seem to think that's the middle of the country and "the closest it can be for everyone" they are sadly mistaken. I'm not complaining, because I don't personally mind going to the midwest for Nats every year, but I can see people that could make this argument and be very right in doing so. While places like New England/East Coast excluding Florida so often complain about "not getting Worlds" if you added up all the time and money spent for players out in California to attend U.S. Nationals every year to the money spent by East Coasters to attend Worlds I would bet it is very similar.....Especially considering there were several more trips to Worlds in 2004-2006 than Nationals.
I dont even expect it to be in europe, Id love it but idk, it wont happen.
But hawai is jus a bad choice, and yeah Ive been there, and yes, it was nice.
But I just didnt feel like hawai was that special, the hotel is completly isolated, food prices are rather high, and if youre stuck without a car, yeah..
For us europeans worlds is like the one big party we get, our nats arent that big, we dont have regs etc. Worlds is the one event of the year, worlds is like the biggest motivation to even play. And then when worlds are in hawai, it ruins the fun for us. Cause hawai is incredibly expensive, you do a 24-30h travel and yeah, the island is nice but not that special reallly.
You cant go anywhere without a car, the resort is really small and theres not much going on there, the airport is a bad joke and just makes you wonder if this is a real us airport. The hotel is really impressive and really beautiful but if you go there on your own expense youll want to stay longer (30h for 5 days?). So you can either stay at the hilton (and better rob a bank or something) or you can book a flight to another island (which is either really expensive or really dificult, the guy on the hotline was so dumb...) or stay there at another hotel (expensive) just to find out theres not that much you can do there, and if you dont have a car its the beach evey day which gets boring after a few days.
And the face that, even if you won the trip most of your friends probably arent there doesnt help.
I wont deny the hotel is really cool and I absolutly think it was a great experience but Id rather have been to an area with more stuff going on, a real city or something with my friend and Id have prefered to spend money. Yes the hotel is amazing but the are around it isnt that special and IMO doesnt make up for the issues at all.
For us europeans it means an incredibly long travel, its really expensive and difficult, even if you win the flight, and most of the european awards go to waste. And the worlds website adds insult to injury by listing you as "participating" when you cant afford the flight at all. I know that this would make me pretty angry.
I just wish that we europeans would be remembered as well when these decisions are made, worlds in hawai is so incredibly demotivating. And yeah I got lucky and won the flight and I know that it should be something special for those who earned it but honestly, thats stupid. Cause a tournament always has a lot of luck involved and the difference between 1st and 2nd is so small.. I won nats but theres so much luck involved that excluding everyone else cause there were a little less lucky on that one day seems stupid. this isnt chess, I think I did a good job and Im happy I got a flight but I might have ended up in 16th place easily as well and I think that more players there wouldve deserved to get a chance at playing.
TLDR;
Hawai is nice but holding worlds in a less exclusive place where more people who deserve it get a shot at playing, that is cheaper and where you can do more stuff would be way better.
But hawai is jus a bad choice, and yeah Ive been there, and yes, it was nice.
But I just didnt feel like hawai was that special, the hotel is completly isolated, food prices are rather high, and if youre stuck without a car, yeah..
For us europeans worlds is like the one big party we get, our nats arent that big, we dont have regs etc. Worlds is the one event of the year, worlds is like the biggest motivation to even play. And then when worlds are in hawai, it ruins the fun for us. Cause hawai is incredibly expensive, you do a 24-30h travel and yeah, the island is nice but not that special reallly.
You cant go anywhere without a car, the resort is really small and theres not much going on there, the airport is a bad joke and just makes you wonder if this is a real us airport. The hotel is really impressive and really beautiful but if you go there on your own expense youll want to stay longer (30h for 5 days?). So you can either stay at the hilton (and better rob a bank or something) or you can book a flight to another island (which is either really expensive or really dificult, the guy on the hotline was so dumb...) or stay there at another hotel (expensive) just to find out theres not that much you can do there, and if you dont have a car its the beach evey day which gets boring after a few days.
And the face that, even if you won the trip most of your friends probably arent there doesnt help.
I wont deny the hotel is really cool and I absolutly think it was a great experience but Id rather have been to an area with more stuff going on, a real city or something with my friend and Id have prefered to spend money. Yes the hotel is amazing but the are around it isnt that special and IMO doesnt make up for the issues at all.
For us europeans it means an incredibly long travel, its really expensive and difficult, even if you win the flight, and most of the european awards go to waste. And the worlds website adds insult to injury by listing you as "participating" when you cant afford the flight at all. I know that this would make me pretty angry.
I just wish that we europeans would be remembered as well when these decisions are made, worlds in hawai is so incredibly demotivating. And yeah I got lucky and won the flight and I know that it should be something special for those who earned it but honestly, thats stupid. Cause a tournament always has a lot of luck involved and the difference between 1st and 2nd is so small.. I won nats but theres so much luck involved that excluding everyone else cause there were a little less lucky on that one day seems stupid. this isnt chess, I think I did a good job and Im happy I got a flight but I might have ended up in 16th place easily as well and I think that more players there wouldve deserved to get a chance at playing.
TLDR;
Hawai is nice but holding worlds in a less exclusive place where more people who deserve it get a shot at playing, that is cheaper and where you can do more stuff would be way better.
smacktack15
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Worlds in NYC, now that would be sick XD